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EMPRESSAMQ Posts: 5,077
10/29/13 7:58 A

Good responses on this thread and I agree it is sad what some corporations pay their faithful employees. Good for this lady for speaking up and putting public focus on the situation.

That said, that Mickey Dee offers only low wage, no growth employment isn't news to anyone. It is sad and wrong but in this economy many folks don't even have a job and would be in line to take the spot vacated by any individual who quits and goes on to further her education and/or find a better paying job.

Not meaning to sound harsh or judging her for staying 10 years. We all do what we need to do in our lives.

It is what it is.

MISSRUTH Posts: 3,734
10/29/13 6:52 A

I read the article on the woman who's worked at McDonald's for 10 years..... and is a cashier. It *should have* become obvious to her some time ago that she was in a "dead end" job, if she wasn't offered an opportunity to advance, or was turned down after requesting it. Like pp's have mentioned, a lot of big companies in this country have a business model that relies on a cheap workforce... low wages, no benefits (even if they offer benefits to full time workers, it's easy to get around this one by keeping everyone's hours under 30 or so a week), etc.

A lot of small businesses do this as well. I work at a marina and while I make more than the McDonald's worker, it's not a living wage. I can "afford" to work there, because my DH has a decent job with benefits. Most of the marina's workforce is high school/ college kids; a couple of the restaurant workers though rely on their jobs as their only source of income, and qualify for Earned Income Credit (this is a tax break, paid for by us taxpayers), SNAP etc.

I daresay these jobs are not meant to be a "breadwinner" type position. Kids still in high school/ college, a retired person looking for not all that many hours per week, people like me whose DH has a "good" job, and are looking for a little extra income. Unfortunately with the economy the way it is, these are the types of jobs that are being created, not something in manufacturing etc that would pay better and include benefits. It would make more sense for people in Congress to quit harping on people collecting benefits, and quit focusing their intensity on cutting benefits, and zero in instead on how to create those better jobs.

As for the woman in the article.... it may have served her better to have researched aid available for furthering her education, to qualify for a better job, over the past 10 years. Working only 20 something hours per week, she could have taken a couple classes at a time and after 10 years.... at least have an Associates degree and be well on the way to a Bachelor's by now.

FENWAYGIRL18 Posts: 5,855
10/29/13 12:22 A

I feel bad for her she's probably stuck between a rock and a hard place they probably give her the mothers hours she needs....

PATTIJOHNSON Posts: 2,075
10/28/13 8:46 P

I read her story. It's disgusting! She needs to enter the world of "doing" instead of "expecting." McDonalds is not a high-end employer and never will be. I respect her diligence and faithfulness to her job, however, these days employers DON'T CARE AS LONG AS THE UPPER MANAGEMENT IS MAKING A PROFIT AND BONUSES! If she is smart enough to point out the discretion and have it on national news, she is smart enough to further herself. Sorry to say, but that is the way it is these days!

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 1,929
10/28/13 5:56 P

Even worse than the fact that we, as taxpayers, are subsidizing any corporate profits is this... Fast food? Is that really what we want to subsidize? Isn't it sort of like subsidizing obesity?

The fast food corporations could take a little less profit and they could raise prices a little and then they could easily pay decent wages. Why on earth we, as taxpayers, pay benefits to their employees so they can make more corporate profits while selling us cheap Big Macs (so they don't have to raise prices a little), which is an enticement for us to buy them, is beyond me. As a society, we don't need cheap Big Macs or any other cheap fast food. This sort of food (very easy to eat 1500-2000 calories in a single meal) really contributes to our obesity problem, IMO. As we know, obesity causes a LOT of health problems and these are not inexpensive to treat. So, it costs us even more as a society and individually too (higher health insurance premiums, etc.)

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 10/28/2013 (17:57)
GOALWTIN7 SparkPoints: (2,121)
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10/28/13 4:35 P

LOVE4KITTIES, I so agree with you. I would like to see the ones on the top getting a little less and giving just a little more to their employees so the government does not have to subsidize hard working people. The CEO's can still live rich if they took a little less.

Someone suggested this person should become more educated to get a better job. She can't even provide food all month for her kids, how does she pay for education? She is trying to do the right thing and work. It might be easier if she stops working and just goes on welfare and move in with other welfare families. I respect that she is working and trying to do the right thing.

She may not be from this country and English may not be her first language and she is doing the best she can IMHO.

I don't know how to link the article as someone asked but just google McDonald's employee told to get food stamps.

Really interesting comments and discussion. I love the intelligence here, it always makes me think and grow.



LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 1,929
10/28/13 3:17 P

Plinthess, yes, the taxpayers are subsidizing McDonalds, WalMart and every other employer who doesn't pay a living wage and whose employees end up getting government benefits such as Medicaid, food stamps, etc.

The bad thing about it is that most of these corporations could offer better wages if they took less profits. But, they aren't willing to do that because, for them, it's all about making more money for corporate shareholders (the major ones, not the folks who just have a few shares of something) and corporate CEOs. This is why the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle class is shrinking (with its members mostly turning into the working poor).

To complicate matters, the US economy is now dependent on us buying stuff rather that on us producing/manufacturing goods. We don't make very many things these days.

Have you noticed that, every Christmas, it's the same...we must buy, buy, buy and, if we do...YAY, GOOD JOB, our economy is doing well. If we don't spend, spend, spend, then...oh, no! Our economy is weak! So, our wages are going down and most jobs pay poorly and don't offer benefits. Yet, our economy depends on us spending money and buying a bunch of goods made in other countries (and these "goods" are purposely made to not last that long so we have to buy again and again)... I wonder how long this can last..?

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10/28/13 2:46 P

Yes, Plinthess, it is.

RUBENB2003 Posts: 11,250
10/28/13 2:00 P

I think it's a sad reflection of how corporations focus so much on the bottom line and not on the human beings that they employ and provide services to their customers. If I were the mom I would definitely seek help with some employment center to see what other possibilities there are to get ahead because McD's looks to be a dead end and she seems motivated to get ahead.

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10/28/13 1:25 P

So the US taxpayer is subsidising McDonald's payroll?

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 1,929
10/28/13 12:46 P

I think that we have a big problem in our society (and are headed for much, much worse) because jobs like this are making up a larger and larger portion of the total jobs in our country every year. Retail sales (WalMart, Target, and other stores), cashiers and food service jobs (e.g McDonalds and other fast food jobs, and waiters/waitresses that work at other restaurants--mostly chain restaurants) are, by far, the most common jobs in our country. This means that most of our jobs pay poorly and don't offer benefits. The trend towards lower wages and no benefits is also spreading beyond these industries into many other areas. Even well-educated people are having trouble finding jobs with decent pay and benefits are being cut more and more every year for most people.

Just as an example--my last doctor told me that he had to pay 100% of the cost of his health care policy (for himself and his wife) because he was not offered any health insurance as a benefit (he was still paying and not taking Medicare). He was also at retirement age but told me he couldn't afford to retire because he didn't have a pension and his 401K didn't have enough money in it because it had lost money. He said he didn't know when or if he would be able to retire.

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 10/28/2013 (13:05)
LEC358 SparkPoints: (9,740)
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10/28/13 12:05 P

I really wish someone would post the link to this article because I feel bad about judging someone without learning their circumstances. That being said, how many jobs are out there that don't require a college degree or specialized training and pay more than $10/hour? It's easy to say "make better life choices" when there's no background on this person offered. What the fast food industry does to its non-management employees is shameful. There's no reason to pile on.

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10/28/13 12:03 A

She needs to further her education and find another job.

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10/27/13 7:11 P

Mcdonalds and any fast food jobs were never meant for full time employment with benefits, but they should be if they want to get the right workers there for their product. That being said though the person in question may have to decide to go back to school for a better job, or see what else is out there.

BUFFLIECE Posts: 512
10/27/13 7:11 P

I read the article on AOL news Friday or Saturday night about this...she's worked there for 10 years and this is what she's making. Having worked at Burger King myself and after a year and a half a manager tells me "here's a .05 raise per hour, I tried to get you a dime", I realized then that type of job was not a career. Knowing I wanted to somehow make more, I moved on as this woman should.

These companies are being cheap with wages because their products are cheap. To make a profit is their goal, period. Raising prices to pay the employees more is not an option. Fair? No. But clearly after a year or two, hell maybe even year 5, she realized she wasn't gonna make mega bucks there.

As far as them suggesting she apply for aid. What else could be suggested...her ask for a raise?!?! Or get a better job?!?!

She needs to take some personal responsibility. Be an advocate for herself and her kids and move on.

Edited by: BUFFLIECE at: 10/27/2013 (19:14)
LOUNMOUN Posts: 1,308
10/27/13 7:07 P

My opinion is that a person needs to seek a different job if she/he is not getting a raise or opportunity for advancement in her/his current place of employment after working there full time for 10 years. It may not be easy but that is what she needs to do to support her family better.


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10/27/13 7:05 P

An article came out recently saying that McDonald's annual profits (1.5 billion) are almost the same as what the company's employees cost US taxpayers each year in public benefits. Here it is: www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/mcdonald
s-profit-taxpayers_n_4136336.html


That said, fast food work is not meant to be a career. This woman should have finished her education and established a real career before having children. I really don't think that McDonald's can be held responsible for her poor life choices.

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10/27/13 5:43 P

Assuming she is a good employee who works hard and does a good job, then it's shameful she makes so little.

Shameful, but not surprising. I worked at McD's for a summer and there is a cap on how much they can pay their regular, non-management employees. I agree that she should go into the management track if she's not going to seek a better-paying career. I'm not saying it's right, but McD's is able to offer the public cheap food b/c they pay cheap wages.

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10/27/13 5:05 P

I think minimum wage is 7.50/hr or there about. So if she is making 8.50/hr she had to have some type of wage increase.

McDonalds level jobs are not designed to support a family. A recent article that I read said that most counter help could be replaced with a touch screen computer. These are jobs that used to be staffed with students. With the down turn in the economy more adults are trying to support their families with these jobs. It's a very sad situation. And yes, MCD's could pay more. Will they? Not likely. Computers are cheaper.

This woman needs to get on MickyD's management track or go back to school to get a career.

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10/27/13 3:58 P

So what's minimum wage in US? I think she'd have to earn the UK equivalent of more than that in UK. Most people who work in McD in UK seem quite young (not that I go there very often) so I wonder if they prefer to employ young people who live with their parents and don't need to fully support themselves on that wage. It must be such a worry for this woman who's clearly doing the best she can to raise her children on such a low wage.

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10/27/13 11:09 A

Curious what you think about this. A McDonald's employee has been working there for ten years without a raise. She makes $8.25 an hour and is the single mother of two young kids. She works full time. She called the McDonald employee helpline (you can hear conversation online) to discuss her situation. Instead of offering a raise they told her she can get medi-cal and food stamps and gave her a number to call. It turns out 52% on their employees get food stamps. I will refrain from commenting till later. Unfortunately I don't think this story will hurt their sales.

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