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2/20/14 6:06 A

They should be thankful they are getting something to eat.

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2/20/14 4:43 A

if they are in for murder, their victims will NEVER HAVE A CHOICE OF FOOD WHAT THEY WANT TO EAT!!
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2/19/14 7:05 P

So!

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,359
2/19/14 6:31 P

That first link is rage-inducing, Slimmerkiwi.

I do not think much of that "sherrif."

"Like in 2006, when immigration enforcement becomes yet another way for Arpaio to court controversy and get his mug on the tube.Whole communities of color, such as the tiny town of Guadalupe, are targets of MCSO sweeps, and the Sheriff's Office begins diverting resources from basic cop work to immigration enforcement...While more than $100 million surreptitiously was transferred into the MCSO's immigration crackdown and other pet projects, more than 400 sex crimes in El Mirage went un-investigated by the MCSO..."

"Then there is Arpaio's retaliation against his critics and political enemies, the perp-walking of then-county Supervisor Don Stapley, the indictment of county Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox, and the attack on this newspaper and its readers, with the 2007 nighttime arrests of New Times' co-founders, Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin."
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Yeahhhh seems like "who becomes a prisoner" is at the picking and choosing of the local sheriff, and not necessarily correlated so very closely with one's actual criminal behaviour? So I have had enough of hearing about how they "deserve" to be on the receiving end of dehumanizing treatment "if they didn't want to be treated that way, shouldn't have committed the crime." Yeah. Because being a newspaper editor is in of itself a crime? Puh-leease. I don't know why this nonsense has not yet been stopped.

(Edit to add: I don't consider a "vegetarian diet" to be dehumanizing or cruel and unusual, though I suspect what they are getting at that prison isn't so much "vegetarian" as it is "cheap soy slop of questionable edibility" being touted by the Sheriff as "vegetarian" to make his case sound stronger and the point of the detainees seem weaker).

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2/19/14 6:03 P

When I lived in Ohio, Ashtabula Co. They were going to start feeding the country prisoners, McDonalds, 3 times a day. I was surprised. They said it was more economical. I have no idea. But I would get tired of that. Of course that is me.

The cost for an inmate in prisons, used to be, I believe, 3,500 a month. Also in Ohio, I believe they have 45 prisons. That is a lot of outgo.

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2/19/14 4:58 P

I decided to Google this Sheriff Joe and below are a couple links, the first one is The Phoenix New Times, and only a couple hours ago - the second one is from The Huffington Post, and also fresh
www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2014-02-20/news/th
e-joe-show-joe-arpaio-documentary/full
/


www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/maricopa-county
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IMHO this is a man who is on a HUGE ego trip and thinks he is Holier than Thou!

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LYNNIEV Posts: 394
2/19/14 9:37 A

Some prisons, to this day, give inmates what they call "the loaf", which essentially is ground up leftovers that are formed into a loaf and then reheated. That too is a 'punishment food' for inmates who have really screwed up and have lost privileges. Once they 'earn' back their privileges for good behavior, they are allowed to eat regular meals again.

While I agree that even prisoners deserve decent food, I don't think they have the right to complain about what they're getting, as long as they're getting SOMETHING. They lost their rights when they committed their crimes, many against humanity.

I looked into this story about this Sheriff Joe guy, who calls himself "America's Toughest Sheriff", and the inmates are still getting protein through soy, apparently. And after reading up on this sheriff a little bit, they should probably be thankful they're getting anything at all. I'm surprised he hasn't gone to just bread and water. By the sound of it, he probably would if he were able.

ANDILH Posts: 1,415
2/19/14 12:53 A

While I think in general that the sympathy should lie with the victims and their families, in a jail situation a great many of those folks haven't been convicted of anything. So basically a person who can't afford their bond is now being subjected to this treatment. I'm wondering if people would protest as strongly if only the convicted inmates were treated in certain manners.
I have to admit that I find Sheriff Joe a fascinating person. He is such a divisive character. People seem to either love him or hate him. People either feel he is a criminal too or that they want Sheriff Joe to take over their locale. Because I only know what I've read in the media, I don't have a real opinion on him or the stance he takes on things. Some of what I've seen I don't have a problem with and other things I question and wonder if they're really necessary.
I do feel like those in a prison setting could and should farm produce. I know there are a lot of prisons that have begun this, some even have organic farms on prison grounds that serve the majority of the prison's produce. Because the farms are located on prison grounds already they actually help the prison save money and serve healthier food. There have been complaints about those as saying that working on the farms is cruel and unusual punishment for the inmates. But they don't work any harder than a person working on any other farm.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 14,200
2/18/14 10:54 P

That is an interesting point Anarie.



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ANARIE Posts: 12,578
2/18/14 10:19 P

People, these inmates are NOT all criminals. This is the Maricopa County JAIL!!! It is not a prison. People often go to the county jail BEFORE their trial. This could happen to any one of YOU if you're unfortunate enough to drive through Maricopa County in the "wrong" color of skin or with the "wrong" type of last name. Maricopa County does not believe in presuming people innocent until proven guilty; they start the punishment long before there's any proof that the person did anything wrong at all.

Being arrested and jailed is not at all the same as being convicted and imprisoned. Anybody could end up spending a few weeks in a county jail because of mistaken identity, malicious prosecution, a false accusation, or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. How would you feel if you got arrested and put in jail because you look like someone else, and in addition to having to spend huge amounts of money to clear your name, you had an a**hole sheriff cutting off your access to decent healthy food? (At one point, the delightful Sheriff Joe was feeding prisoners nothing but baloney on white bread, for example.)

Joe Arpaio is a criminal himself. I hope when the hammer finally comes down on him, he gets a little taste of his own medicine.

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2/17/14 12:32 P

The real punishment of as bread and water diet is that it causes severe constipation. I guess severely constipated inmates wouldn't cause a lot of problems if they are too busy trying to get busy.... but this is not a problem I would want any one to have!

I know that some jails/prisons have inmates work a farm. They get to eat what they produce and the extra goes to local food banks. I think it's a wonderful use of their time. They are being productive, reducing our costs and paying back a bit of their debt to society.

I know Joe supports roadside clean ups with prisoners, forest fire fighting (a surprisingly coveted job) and other programs to keep inmates productive.


EXOTEC Posts: 3,327
2/17/14 12:37 A

... in general... you (collective) *DO* understand that the vast majority of incarcerated people aren't there for truly heinous crimes, eh?

Bread and water for check fraud? growing some pot for your own use? (stupid, but not particularly dangerous) minor thievery? Yes... nothing that lands you in jail or prison is particularly excusable.

OTOH...
bread and water?
seriously?

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MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 14,200
2/16/14 2:13 P

I was watching one of those jail shows and one of the people got two chicken patties, on buns with a carton of milk. So a vegetarian diet may actually be healthier.

Sorry but, I still feel for the people that had their family member viciously snatched from them. Or the person who had to clean up tons of red tape because one of these poor widdle criminals got greedy and stole their social security number. Crime has more to do with greed than low self esteem



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2/16/14 10:21 A

What happened to bread and water!!!! SORRY! They are criminals.

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2/15/14 11:34 P

Oh my, so sad!!! They wouldn't be in that situation if they hadn't broken the law!!!

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2/15/14 10:21 P

EXOTEC - I TOTALLY agree with you! I really do think that producing, not only their own needs, but food for the needy, will help considerably with some behavioral issues. It gives them a sense of 'self-worth' which for a lot, they lacked, which might be partly the reason they ended up incarcerated in the first place.

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2/15/14 10:12 P

I'm not particularly concerned with what "upsets" them, since most everything does, in one way or another.

The thing that "upsets" *me* on the topic is that I do think they ought to be eating a complete diet. It's no economy to feed them junk (or some unbalanced thing) and then have to pay healthcare when they have some issue tracing back to it.

I'd prefer they take them out in the fields and make them produce their own food. We used to do that. THEY would prefer it, in many cases. Yes, there's some notion of security risk... but you know, there was something to be said for officers on horses with guns and dogs. Wanna run? go ahead. One of the three will catch you.
The food quality would be better. It would give them something useful to do, other than hang out and plot (or fight) with each other. They might end up tired enough to just come in, eat, maybe read or write to family/friends, and go to sleep. No stirring up dissent. No energy! That should appeal to the staff, too. I know it would appeal to many of the inmates. And for those it doesn't appeal to... well, ya wanna eat? would you rather eat what you produce, or Sheriff Joe's vegetarian diet? or the nearly totally-soy-based crap they're being fed now, and getting sick on. (Illinois or Indiana or some such is entertaining a class-action suit on just that topic at the moment)
They might even produce a bit more food than they can use. Wonderful! Sell some. Pay it back into the DOC system. Provide some to needy families in the areas. Sell it outright.

Sure seems to me a better alternative than what we've got going now.
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2/15/14 9:26 P

As long as it is not cruel and unusual, I don't see a problem. I feel more sorry for the victims and the family members.



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2/15/14 8:47 P

I can see why it would upset a lot of inmates, and I DO have sympathy for them in this respect. They are entitled to be fed, and they are entitled to balance. I would imagine that the the B12 from the diet in the meat would help them considerably. It may be that removing meat from the diet brings about more health issues.

In spite of what people think, it is NOT all a bed of roses in a prison. I am not saying that they shouldn't be there, just that it isn't a bed of roses. They have had their freedom taken away, and often rightly so. This basically leaves just food for them to look forward to. I prisoner who is satisfied in the tummy is a lot less problem for the wardens, and the health system, which in a lot of prisons isn't that crash hot, anyway. Even treatment for potentially serious issues, can and is often withheld.

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2/15/14 4:23 P

Sherriff Joe's strongest point is that prisoners should not have life better than the average citizen. And many citizens struggle to get food on the table every day, let alone 2500 calories a day.


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2/15/14 3:01 P

I don't have much sympathy for the inmates but I can understand that they would be upset. Food is probably an important part of their day. Imagine if even your food preferences were eliminated. One more deterrent to committing a crime.

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2/15/14 2:53 P

Sheriff Joe=gotta luv him

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2/15/14 2:47 P

Tell them that crime upsets victims! emoticon

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2/15/14 2:44 P

Better than starving to death.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 14,200
2/15/14 2:38 P

Prisoners get to many benefits as it is. Perhaps they should be thankful that they get fed at all.



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2/15/14 2:13 P

emoticon Now I have heard it all!

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2/15/14 2:06 P

how about bread and water?

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2/15/14 1:57 P

Perhaps instead of a vegetarian diet it should be a diet of worms and watery gruel.....that might be even more successful in making them leave their criminal past behind!




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2/15/14 11:53 A

Sherriff Joe has done it again! He is feeding the inmates at Maricopa jail a 2500 cal/day vegetarian diet.

Prisoners are upset. One man was quoted as saying things like I've been in a lot of jails and this one has the worst food. It wouldn't be so bad if it was better quality or QUANITITY!

Uhmm, how about if you want a choice in your diet you quit committing crimes and getting arrested?

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