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I_HEART_MY_FAM Posts: 1,809
4/21/13 11:51 A

Stupid is when you are safe with two small children and go chase danger with them. If he had went alone then fine, but the stupid move was taking kids fleeing to danger not away from danger, chalks up to stupid to me.

KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
4/21/13 9:54 A

posted originally by ANARIE:
"The plant wasn't supposed to have anything flammable. The people there didn't choose to live in a dangerous place; they were just lied to about the danger. Twenty years ago there were EPA and OSHA inspectors who would have found out what this company was doing and put them out of business, but the federal safety agencies have been gutted. This plant got caught with unsafe materials a few years ago, got fined less than $10,000, and just paid and went right back to doing the same thing. There aren't enough federal inspectors and investigators to catch them. And Texas state laws are entirely pro-business, which ends up meaning anti-public safety. There's a reason chemical and petroleum companies love Texas; they literally can get away with murder.

Just look up how many people have died in and near refineries in Texas owned by BP, for just one example. The Deep Water Horizon rig fire was far from the first, and no one is getting charged with murder even for that one. The little companies like West Fertilizer see that nothing happens to the big guys, so they know they can get away with the same stuff even more easily.

That's "small government," folks. Next time someone's talking about "federal interference," remember that federal interference is what keeps someone from building this kind of plant in YOUR back yard.

It's not fair to call this guy stupid when everyone in town had been told there was nothing there that could blow up."
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I liked this and agree with this so much that it was worth re-posting.
Thanks Anarie!
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BLUENOSE63 SparkPoints: (101,558)
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4/21/13 9:35 A

Just because it wasn't supposed to have anything flammable, would you take the chance with your child? I know I wouldn't but I have worked around flammable chemicals most of my life and know that there is really no "safe" distance especially with things life fertilizers etc.

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4/19/13 11:58 P

Sad, isn't it?

200POUNDQUEST SparkPoints: (2,468)
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4/19/13 10:06 P

I was talking to a friend on Facebook when the news broke and our first reaction was "what the heck is a nursing home and apartment complex doing right next to a fertilizer plant?"

Turns out the thing seems to have been pretty much in the middle of the town. Very sad. Obviously the man with the cell phone camera made an error in judgement in thinking he was filming from a safe distance and I think discouraging people from heading into danger to try and film something viral is a good idea, but I wouldn't judge him so harshly.

People do stupid stuff every day. No matter how many warnings are handed out advising people not to drive into standing water, they still do and then EMS has to go risk their lives to rescue them, as evidenced by the folks who made the local news driving into flood waters around here.

ANARIE Posts: 12,486
4/19/13 9:36 P

The plant wasn't supposed to have anything flammable. The people there didn't choose to live in a dangerous place; they were just lied to about the danger. Twenty years ago there were EPA and OSHA inspectors who would have found out what this company was doing and put them out of business, but the federal safety agencies have been gutted. This plant got caught with unsafe materials a few years ago, got fined less than $10,000, and just paid and went right back to doing the same thing. There aren't enough federal inspectors and investigators to catch them. And Texas state laws are entirely pro-business, which ends up meaning anti-public safety. There's a reason chemical and petroleum companies love Texas; they literally can get away with murder.

Just look up how many people have died in and near refineries in Texas owned by BP, for just one example. The Deep Water Horizon rig fire was far from the first, and no one is getting charged with murder even for that one. The little companies like West Fertilizer see that nothing happens to the big guys, so they know they can get away with the same stuff even more easily.

That's "small government," folks. Next time someone's talking about "federal interference," remember that federal interference is what keeps someone from building this kind of plant in YOUR back yard.

It's not fair to call this guy stupid when everyone in town had been told there was nothing there that could blow up.

I_HEART_MY_FAM Posts: 1,809
4/19/13 10:59 A

225 feet at a chemical plant on fire? Goes to show we cannot listen to what we hear or are told always. I would have never, ever lived near a chemical plant and fertilizer is a bomb agent "BOOM". So scary to see how close everything was. Our fertilizing plant is in the boon docks, no houses or rest homes around. Danger signs all over, I believe it is even fenced off over 225 feet so no one can near it but the workers.

KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
4/19/13 10:18 A

Though "Hind-Sight" is 20/20 there's a lot to be said about being a little paranoid and get to safety first, even if it looks like you're safe already.

ANARIE Posts: 12,486
4/19/13 10:07 A

Well, the company claimed that it was absolutely safe to let them build this plant less than 100 yards from homes and a school. They swore there was no way there could ever be an explosion.

If it was 225 yards away from the plant, that's actually pretty much the opposite side of town. West is a tiny little place. In a bigger town, you wouldn't be able to film from that distance because there would be rows of buildings in there.

Really, go out and measure 225 yard from your house. If there were a fire at that distance, you would probably think it was perfectly safe to stand and watch/film it. (Especially if the owners of the property had been coming to your town council meetings for years and swearing that there was absolutely no chance of an explosion.)

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4/19/13 7:48 A

This is only my opinion.....I think it is irresponsible that the man had his two daughters so close to this fire. My brother is a fire captain and he is always saying that people's sense of security is very warped around fire.....especially explosive material.....stay away from fire

SHERYLDS Posts: 12,180
4/18/13 12:04 P

people have a false sense of security before they actually live through that type of disaster and get hurt....don't think even the town was smart about it's zoning restrictions...considering.

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,329
4/18/13 11:49 A

wouldn't 225 yards be like 2 or more blocks away?

I can see how a person could err and mistakenly believe it was a "safe distance." While we can be thankful that no harm came to them, I don't think we need to be so judgemental. Most people have little experience to draw on when dealing with fire and explosives, and do not realize when they are putting themselves in danger.

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4/18/13 11:31 A

The people who are there and filming this terrible scene are the ones who created the word "STUPIDITY"!

I_HEART_MY_FAM Posts: 1,809
4/18/13 11:27 A

225 yards away from a chemical plant that is on fire??? some bombs are made from fertilizer! That's crazy!

ZENANDNOW SparkPoints: (41,143)
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4/18/13 11:20 A

The latest news on the Waco, TX grainery explosion, which has killed between 5-15 people and injured over 160 others...

www.cnn.com/2013/04/18/us/texas-explosion/
index.html?hpt=hp_t1


SHERYLDS Posts: 12,180
4/18/13 11:05 A

from 225 yards away...most people might think they are safe from a fire.
I don't think anyone in that area expected the explosion to be that powerful...
otherwise I doubt they would allow the homes and businesses to build that close,
much less the fire fighters to go in.
Tragic

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4/18/13 10:45 A

Good point. Almost anything can be come very unstable and explosive when ground into a fine powder form. Grain mills are extremely dangerous when the flour has been ground to a fine point and the air is full of the dust. Fertilizer is especially violent. Just ask Timothy McVey.

I_HEART_MY_FAM Posts: 1,809
4/18/13 10:33 A

I am really happy that the man and his girls are fine who decided to film while a fertilizing plant was on fire in Texas. So many people trying to be the hero or get rich these days that they have brain farts to what danger that can happen. Come on now chemicals and fire do not mix, more times then none it will lead to an explosion, and a huge one at that. I sure hope someone tells him how stupid that was and to get the message across for everyone to stay away from danger especially with kids..... Texas and Boston are in my thoughts and prayers.

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