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TRIPLEMWF Posts: 906
7/10/14 8:42 A

Holy mackeral! I never said that I don't like eating complicated recipes, give me a big pot of soup with 27 different, fresh ingredients, and I'll go to town. My point is that I don't like to eat food created in a factory. There. Is that satisfactory to you?

SUZAN30 Posts: 267
7/10/14 7:51 A

Ummm. What's your point then? You don't like to eat complex recipes (for whatever reason). Fine, but that has nothing to do with whether a food is nutritious or healthy or not.

SUZAN30 Posts: 267
7/10/14 7:51 A

Ummm. What's your point then? You don't like to eat complex recipes (for whatever reason). Fine, but that has nothing to do with whether a food is nutritious or healthy or not.

TRIPLEMWF Posts: 906
7/8/14 4:25 P

I understand what "processed" is. I think you are missing my point.

SUZAN30 Posts: 267
7/8/14 2:39 P

"Processed" has absolutely nothing to do with the number of ingredients in something. Cooking a complex soup, for example, could easily have more than 5 ingredients, but if all of them were fresh, there's nothing processed about it.

Processed implies the use of chemicals, such as the introduction of stabilizers, preservatives, unnatural dyes, artificial flavors, etc.

Foods can be "preserved" without being "processed." I dry many of my organically grown tomatoes by either canning them or drying them. I don't use anything unnatural to do this.

Please, let's stop with the pseudo science.

TRIPLEMWF Posts: 906
7/8/14 9:14 A

JERF - I just read something about that exact same thing just a few days ago. Scary how much leeway the FDA gives these "food manufacturers" in regards to accurately representing their products on the Nutrition Label. I stick to the point I made in another post - I'd much rather eat something with 2-3 ingredients that I know what they are and that I know how to pronounce instead of eating something manufactured to be heart healthy/low fat/low calorie/sugar free/whatever.

7/8/14 8:47 A

Anything with "modified milk ingredients" or mono and diglycerides or any food with ingredients I can't pronounce or if I couldn't easily make myself at home I think are overly processed.

Becky is this true?

"In 2006, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration began requiring that all food manufacturers list a food's trans fat content on the label. This law applies to lipids, like triglycerides, but not to emulsifiers like mono- and diglycerides. Therefore, even though mono- and diglycerides may contain trans-fatty acids, they do not fall under these labeling requirements. This means a food may be labeled as possessing "0% trans fat" yet still contain trans-fatty acids from mono- and diglycerides."

7/8/14 6:37 A

I define an "overly processed food" as something that has say more than 5 or 6 ingredients in it. For example bread really only needs flour (whole grain of course) water, yeast, a sugar (honey or sugar or agave) to activate the yeast, and salt. Any more than that and it's too processed.

7/8/14 1:09 A

One basic way to begin with a simple definition is to look at the criteria for whole grains. This may help:

According to choose my plate, a goal is to have at least 1/2 your grain servings be from a whole grain food:

So based on this criteria:
whole grains would be: brown rice, rolled oats, whole wheat bread, shredded wheat, etc
refined grains would be: white rice, white bread, fruit loops, poptarts, sugar cookies, etc

Since overly-processed does not have a legal definition it can be somewhat confusing. Other examples would be:
grapes vs grape drink (ends up only containing 10% grape juice)
baked potato vs potato chips
ground flax seed vs snack crackers containing flax seeds

I'm sure you "get the picture"

Do you or other members have ideas to share on overly-processed, refined foods??

I see less and less emphases being placed on the importance of a set ratio between omega 6 to omega 3.


Edited by: DIETITIANBECKY at: 7/8/2014 (07:23)
7/7/14 11:10 P

Thank you.

"And limiting the sugar, overly-processed foods, refined carbohydrates, trans fat, deep fat fried, etc."

How do you define overly-processed foods?

Also what is a good ratio of omega 6 to omega 3?

Thanks again for being so helpful.

Edited by: JUSTEATREALFOOD at: 7/7/2014 (23:12)
7/7/14 10:06 P

It is more about "diets" rather than "specific foods".
Nothing super new----just reach for those super foods.

Lean meats and protein---especially fish and poultry, beans, legumes, etc
Low fat dairy
colorful, colorful fruits and veggies (go for a rainbow)
whole grains
herbs: garlic ginger, tumeric, cinnamon, etc
healthy fats: olive oil, canola oil, nuts, seeds

And limiting the sugar, overly-processed foods, refined carbohydrates, trans fat, deep fat fried, etc.


7/7/14 9:52 P

Do you know which foods cause inflammation?

7/7/14 8:57 P

I do not know of any nutrition practice guidelines or interventions (that are based on research evidence) indicating that raising cholesterol level in the blood has a healing effect on inflammation.

Your SP Registered Dietitian

7/7/14 8:01 P

Thank you for your quick response.

What foods cause inflammation?

Also what are your thoughts on cholesterols healing effect on inflammation? The idea that cholesterol goes to the place of inflammation to form a protective scab to heal the body is intriguing. Once there the cholesterol gets blamed for causing the problem.

7/7/14 7:40 P

I am sorry if I missed your message board posts regarding my understanding of inflammation on the body. Several experts monitor the boards, so when you do have a specific question for me--please use "dietitianbecky" in the topic title and I will then receive it.

There is a great deal of research going on currently regarding the harmful effects of inflammation on the body and the many systems of the body.... Heart health, gut health, endocrine health, skin health, etc.

There are now tests that can help identify certain types of inflammation. (sometimes called markers)

Being overweight/obese can bring about inflammation. This is well documented.

Certain foods (or excessive amounts of food) can bring about inflammation.

Achieving and maintaining a healthier weight, using foods that promote overall health...will help to improve one's blood sugar, lipid profile (cholesterol, LDL, HDL), triglyceride level, etc---thus lowering inflammation in the body.

As I reread my post, I think I indicated that there was little research to support the recommendation of coconut oil for health benefits.

Your SP Registered Dietitian

7/7/14 7:25 P


Just to clarify...

I never said that coconut oil has major health benefits. I said its a saturated fat that contains no cholesterol.

My naturalpath and many of my other other health care professionals recommend consuming coconut oil.

I use research based evidence when deciding what my optimal diet should be. I could cut and paste a giant list of PubMed sources but we've been down that road before and it never gets us anywhere.

What are your thoughts on inflammation being the primary cause of heart disease? Also what are your thoughts on cholesterols healing effect on inflammation? The idea that cholesterol goes to the place of inflammation to form a protective scab to heal the body is intriguing. Once there the cholesterol gets blamed for causing the problem.

Every time I've asked you this question you have never answered it.

7/7/14 7:08 P

Just to clarify...
There are actually very few research studies on coconut oil and health benefit.
Often this area of research is using studies looking at MCT oil (medium chain triglyceride). While coconut oil contains MCT the amount is much less than in medically used MCT oil. To state that coconut oil has major health benefit based on MCT oil studies is inaccurate use of research.

At current time, coconut oil and reported health benefit would be considered an area of "preliminary study". There is no research evidence to make strong recommendations currently. This is not available in "alternative medicine" or "traditional medicine".

We ask that members make healthy eating suggestions using research evidence to keep our site safe for the 15 million members.

Your SP Registered Dietitian Nutritionist

Edited by: DIETITIANBECKY at: 7/7/2014 (19:09)
SUZAN30 Posts: 267
7/7/14 5:22 P

I think what gluten free advocates who swear they feel better ignore is the powerful placebo effect: if you think something will work it can.

Basically, I don't really care what other people eat, as long as they don't make me listen to long discussions of their dietary preferences or expect me to keep my home stocked with gluten free goods.

7/7/14 3:08 P

I eat more wheat now than I did before I started my weight-loss effort, and I feel great. My blood sugar and cholesterol are also lower and I've been able to get off hypertension and cholesterol drugs. I eat whole-wheat flour foods and have no intention of giving them up, as they taste good and are nutritious and filling.

7/7/14 2:02 P

I don't eat wheat. I haven't read the book but I have heard Dr. Davis talk on podcasts before. He is a cardiologist who uses this diet to treat patients with heart disease and they get better! That is an important thing in my eyes.

My blood sugars have been excellent since I went mostly grain free.

Just to clear up a couple points

1. Coconut flour is defatted.

2. The studies that concluded that coconut oil was harmful were done using hydrogenated coconut oil AKA trans fat, not the virgin coconut oil that most alternative health care practitioners recommend.

TRIPLEMWF Posts: 906
7/7/14 1:05 P

Oh for heavens sake, I didn't say you were making sweeping generalizations "about the author". You made a statement that people who eliminate wheat products lose weight because they are eating less food, and I made the argument that I'm eating the same amount of food, just no wheat. Your generalization was about those that go wheat free. Forget it, I'm done. Maybe your post title should have been "post here only if you agree with me".

I edited my post becuase I was being unnecessarily mean.

Edited by: TRIPLEMWF at: 7/7/2014 (13:16)
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7/7/14 12:39 P

TRIPLEMWF, I read that you do have a problem with wheat.

But what I am objecting to is that you are saying to me that I am making sweeping generalizations about the author which I am not.

Just suffice to say, the books were a gift from my sister, originally both of which I was going to ditch but out of courtesy, I decided to read both books which I did.

That being said, red flags were raised when I saw how much sat fats were in most of the recipes in the cookbook.

But I still stand by my decision.

Have a great day! emoticon

TRIPLEMWF Posts: 906
7/7/14 11:37 A

I read the article. You should perhaps read my response in which I stated that I have a suspected gluten intolerance and also that even I take the information provided by the author of Wheat Belly with a grain of salt. While you are certainly entitled to, and I'm sure physically capable of, making your own decisions, I was simply suggesting that you might not want to make sweeping generalizations about people who do choose to go wheat free.

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7/7/14 11:31 A

TRIPLEMWF, if you believe the Wheat Belly & the cookbook is great for you, that's fine.

However, I am entitled to make my own decisions based on information that I have garnered from other folks including Dietician Becky.

Dietician Becky sent me a very good article that deals with the Wheat Belly book, and based on that article, which is quite lengthy, I have decided to ditch both the book & the cookbook.

This is in no way a personal attack on the author or you. But it's really important to be opened minded and make decisions today that are wise because those decisions will affect all of one's tomorrows.

Just so that you know, my sister sent me both of these books as a gift. Initially I was going to throw them away because I have been eating basically healthy for years. But I decided to read both the book and the cookbook which I did.

I wanted a dietician's opinion and I got it from Dietician Becky. (Thank you once again Becky!)

TRIPLEMWF, you might want to read the article which Dietician Becky posted in the link below. I think you will find it enlightening.

Edited by: BLAZINGSWORD at: 7/7/2014 (11:33)
TRIPLEMWF Posts: 906
7/7/14 11:01 A

Just for the record, I'm wheat free and eat the same amount of calories as I did prior to making the change, I've just replaced wheat calories with other calories like fruits and vegetables, root vegetables, etc.

You have accused the author of making sweeping generalizations but are doing the same in this post. Just saying.

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7/7/14 10:57 A

Pschiavone2, you are so right!

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7/7/14 10:29 A

Thank you so much Becky for your response and the article which I read in its entirety.

The basic that I got out of it is that if people eliminate the wheat, it's basically the calories that they are eliminating which will cause the weight loss and nothing more, unless you have celiac disease, then that's a matter of life or death.

What it says makes total sense to me.

I called my sister last night, (the one that sent me the book & pans), and asked her how she came by these books and why she thought she should send them to me. It seems that some lady in her church prayer group, Barb, (a nurse who retired from her profession due to many serious health issues), was told by her doctor to try the Wheat Belly. She followed it faithfully for six months and lost a significant amount of weight. (Unfortunately, I forgot to ask my sister if Barb has celiac disease but will call her tonight and share with her my findings on this article you provided for me.)

But what really shocked me was the Wheat Belly cookbook, of which many of it's recipes are loaded with fat, especially sat fats because of the use of coconut oil, which is a solid even at room temperature, and coconut milk; not to mention coconut flour of which I have not a clue as to whether that is considered a sat fat. BUT if I have any brains at all, which I do, I would think that the coconut flour when reconstituted to be used in any recipe will be just as loaded with sat fat as the oil.

So at this point, I will not be trying any of the recipes in the book.

I just can't see giving up wheat to trade in for all the sat fats in the recipes of the Wheat Belly Cookbook. I think I will ditch both books per another poster.

As for me, although my husband loved Arnold's Whole Wheat bread, I did not, although I love Arnold's Oatnut bread. I just didn't care for the whole wheat taste nor texture of the bread. Plus I prefer eating Arnold's Multigrain Thinwich bread as my choice of bread for a sandwich, or topping it with natural peanut butter and sliced banana, or even as a roll for my turkey burgers using ground turkey.

I still love my oatmeal, Quaker Oat Old Fashion oatmeal, in the morning with a 1/2 or a whole sliced banana, 14 almonds or a mixture of some almonds & walnuts & cinnamon.

Or a cup of Multigrain Cheerios with 1 cup of skim milk plus 1 cup of frozen blueberries and 14 almonds.

Then at other times I will eat either a few real eggs sunny side up with a piece of toast; or opt to have Better 'n Eggs with a couple of slices of turkey bacon and toast a Arnold's Multigrain Thinwich with a bit of Promise margarine.

Those are my go to breakfasts. Lunch and dinner consist of protein, veggies, & a piece of fruit.

You and the article are so correct. It takes a reduction in calories and more of an expenditure in exercise to lose weight.

Thank you once again Becky for your response and the article. You do an excellent job! emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

Edited by: BLAZINGSWORD at: 7/7/2014 (10:35)
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7/7/14 9:20 A

I find that whenever a doctor writes a book, they usually have a good premise and some insightful information. And then they usually go off the deep end from there. Most of these guys have some success dealing with patients that have certain medical problems and because they get better, the doctor will make sweeping postulations for the general public. I feel this is where these books go wrong. But then again, if they just wrote the book about their special diet for their patients they would not be able to claim to cure the world of all their ills. And thus no book sales.

TRIPLEMWF Posts: 906
7/7/14 9:09 A

I follow a lot of the principals from Wheat Belly, I'm actually reading the book right now. I've been playing with going wheat-free since the end of March, but exactly 4 weeks ago today I went 100% wheat free. I'd long suspected some type of food intollerance which is why I ultimately gave it up. I wanted to see how I would feel after 30 days, and lets just say, I have no intentions of adding it back in to my diet. I also mostly follow a LCHF diet, so the recipes in Wheat Belly do actually appeal to me.

That said, I take what is written in Wheat Belly with a grain of salt until there is more solid medical evidence to support the benefits of going wheat-free for the general population and not just for those that show signs of an intolerance or allergy.

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7/7/14 8:48 A

for some reason in asia (in particular korea) people use sesame seed oil for allmost everything, almost non existing in Western World (around $20/ liter local price)

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7/7/14 8:22 A

Just got done reading the article Becky linked (yes indeed-- I read every last bit of it, and it's worth the time). imo, I'd keep the pans & utensils your sister gave you, and get rid of the books.

7/7/14 6:36 A

I agree with DieticianBecky-not a reliable source of info. Some of the claims in Wheat Belly (and other books like it) are not based on any scientific data and are downright scary, IMO.

7/7/14 6:21 A

The Wheat Belly Book is not a reliable source of nutrition information. It contains a great deal of misinformation. This is an overview of the main problems:

I would not recommend it as a weight loss program or cookbook.

Your SP Registered Dietitian Nutritionist

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7/6/14 7:34 P

Okay. My baby sister decided to give me a belated, (6 months), birthday gift and it was: The Wheat Belly Book, The Wheat Belly Cookbook, and two non-stick pans and non-stick cooking utensils.

I read The Wheat Belly Book and it makes sense to get rid of the wheat and wheat gluten.

But what I can't understand is that the Wheat Belly Cookbook advocates the use of fats, both total fats & sat fats, depending on which recipe you decide to make. When I say total fats & sat fats, on page 183, Curried Vegetables uses 2 tablespoons of coconut oil, and the homemade Thai Red Curry Sauce which has coconut milk in it, has: 311 calories, 5 g protein, 15 g carbs, 28 g total fat & 24 g sat fats, 5 g fiber, 493 mg sodium.

I can't understand how now they are saying, (whoever they are), that coconut oil and coconut milk is good for you considering it is a palm oil and palm milk that is loaded with sat fat.

I can see myself making this once in a blue moon, but certainly not on a regular basis.

But that's not the problem. Most of the recipes in this cook book have sat fats from anywhere of 4 grams up to 28 grams, and that's not including total grams of fat.

Another example is on page 120 for Almond Butter and Jam Sandwich which consists of almond butt3e3r and plum-chia jam. If you put this on one slice of sandwich bread which you make using the recipe on page 20, one slice of the bread is 174 calories, (yes, you read that right), because the baking mix you make up on page 19, has 4 cups almond meal/flour + flaxseeds + coconut flour + baking soda + ground psyllium seed. Not to mention the artificial sugar equaling to 1/4 cup of sugar.

So if you make the Almond Butter & Jam Sandwich, and put it on one slice of bread, the grand total for this one slice of bread and jam is, drumroll please! 456 calories, 17 g protein, 18 g carbs, 39 g total fat, 8 g sat fat, 9 g fiber, & 490 mg sodium.

I mean how can this be good for anyone? So you get rid of the wheat which has been so hybridized that the wheat gluten/protein is left undigested in your gut that it can permeate the intestines, it's like choosing the lesser of two evils, or a trade off of one for the other.

So has anyone any info on this? I still refuse to believe that coconut oil, which is a solid at room temperature, even the oil, is considered healthy for a person.

I just read and printed out the "Fats & Oils' article here on spark people, even they say it's bad.

I also get the Nutrition Action Letter published by the Science Center in the interest of the public saying that although coconut oil can help lose some weight initially and raised the good cholesterol but the bad cholesterol over time is raised more significantly than the good when using the coconut oil.

So what say you nutrition team peeps?

Edited by: BLAZINGSWORD at: 7/6/2014 (19:42)
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