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MANDIETERRIER1
Posts: 13,503
6/15/13 8:00 P

All I know is I ordered a sample of the book for my Kindle and I practically had to factory reset the darn thing to make that book sample delete. I wanted to see what all the fuss was about.

There isn't a lot of support. I have heard tales of people being told that they needed to stop being such a baby and try new food.

And it is really expensive to follow this plan because you have to follow it to the letter with no deviation.

Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 6/15/2013 (20:01)


SIMONEKP
Posts: 2,458
6/15/13 3:37 P

I echo others below that you don't need any specialized plans. These hair-brain schemes are designed to separate you from your money



LISA667
Posts: 295
6/15/13 11:10 A

I was highly skeptical of this "Plan" idea- but I now weight less than I have for 5 years. I am no longer hungry all day or crave junk food or sugar. I don't know the science behind this way of eating, but for some reason it has worked for me when everything I've tried has failed. I don't follow it religiously, but after the three day "detox" way of eating, I found my appetitie decreased immensely and I no longer want fattening or sugar-laden foods. It does encourage healthy plant-based eating, and that is healthy for everyone.



DRAGONCHILDE
SparkPoints: (56,178)
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Posts: 9,570
6/14/13 11:07 A

Never, ever, ever apologize for that! We are literally *inundated* with misleading and often patently false information, every day. There is an entire industry who makes its billions off of manipulation... that any of us... indeed, ALL of us! fall prey to it is not something to be ashamed of. It's something to be angry about... but never ashamed!



AMANDANCES
Posts: 1,975
6/14/13 10:30 A

Thank you to everyone who responded. I really appreciate the links too! It seems like I'm surrounded by people who come up with these crazy eating schemes and then look at me like I'm the weird one when I try to eat healthy and exercise.

I thought the whole "toxins" thing was woo, but now that I read the comments it seems so OBVIOUSLY woo that I'm almost ashamed I asked about it! :)





COCHESE321
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Posts: 1,016
6/13/13 7:10 P

My sister is a cardiothoracic surgeon, like Dr Oz. I asked her what she thought of him as a doctor. She said "He's a great salesman but I wouldn't let him operate on my family."

Good enough for me. She loves me. He loves my money.



ANARIE
Posts: 12,328
6/13/13 2:21 P

The good thing about Oz is that it's finally getting to the point where legitimate folks won't go on his show. If you saw it on Oz, you can be pretty well assured that it's woo.

Elimination diets do "work" for temporary weight loss, because when you can't eat anything, you reduce your calories.

There's this urban myth/superstition out there that when you stop eating something "toxic," the "toxins" that have "built up in your body" are "released." Starvation diet advocates and supplement sellers push the idea to hide the fact that it's really their program that's causing the sick feeling. The "release of toxins" thing doesn't pass the stop-and-think-a-second test. If you stop and think, why would your body wait to "release the toxins?" Why wouldn't you get sick from the "toxins" when they were loose in your body on the way to being stored?

Anytime anybody starts using the word "detox," it's time to watch your wallet. There's no "toxin" that can be removed by diet. If you really had toxins in your body that your liver wasn't removing naturally, you would need hospitalization for chelation or dialysis. And since Dr. Oz will have a show next week saying you can't lose weight *without* green beans........



DRAGONCHILDE
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6/13/13 2:12 P

There is no reliable, peer-reviewed scientific evidence that this works. The person who came up with "the Plan" is not a doctor at all; she's a holistic nutritionist. I'm not going to say that people with this sort of background have nothing to offer, but no reliable research that her theories work, and the whole nonsense about "toxins" is complete and total hoakum. There is no evidence at all that there are toxins causing all of your health issues. There's nothign wrong with eating whole, unprocessed foods, but focusing on individual foods is a ticket to insanity; what matters for your health isn't eating this or that food, it's your overall pattern of eating over time, and how your habits build up over months. Avoiding green beans isn't going to make you stop losing weight. I'm sorry, it's just not. Eating a can of sodium-laden canned green beans might make you retain water for a bit, but what's going to make you lose weight over time is eating less than you burn.

These plans obsess over each ounce gained and lost in 24 hour periods; given that your weight is not a static number, this technique is flawed and in my opinion a great way to develop an unhealthy attitude towards weight. No one should obsess that much over gaining .8 lbs in one 24 hour period.

Anything that claims to "detox" anything is a load of crap anyway; your body doesn't work that way. You have a liver and kidneys that do all the detoxing your body needs; anything you eat or drink goes through them anyway, so you're not helping.

The worst thing about this author isn't her lack of credentials, overly complicated, restrictive plan, to me it's that she provides NO support whatsoever. There is no community, just a facebook page where other users can sorta help each other. We get people here taken in by another of Dr. Oz's devotees and then come here confused after reading the book and unable to find help at the source. If you're going to introduce something so complex, the least you could do is provide support for it!

And before anyone listens to anything that Dr. Oz says about ANYTHING, you need to read this (rather long, but intense) article about him. I quote one of his former colleagues:

www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/02/04/130
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"I asked if he would place his confidence in a heart surgeon, no matter how gifted, who operated just once a week, as Oz does. 'Well,' he replied, 'in general you want a surgeon who lives and breathes his job, somebody who is above all devoted to that.' Again he mentioned Oz’s experience, but when I asked if he would send a patient to Oz for an operation, he looked uncomfortable. 'No,' he said. 'I wouldn’t. In many respects, Mehmet is now an entertainer. And he’s great at it. People learn a lot, and it can be meaningful in their lives. But that is a different job. In medicine, your baseline need has to be for a level of evidence that can lead to your conclusions. I don’t know how else you do it. Sometimes Mehmet will entertain wacky ideas—particularly if they are wacky and have entertainment value.'"

Anyone who places any faith in Oz needs to read this article from start to finish. If they value their health. The man preaches a religion of money... not a medically trustworthy source of advice.

Edited by: DRAGONCHILDE at: 6/13/2013 (14:17)


LOVE4KITTIES
Posts: 1,797
6/13/13 1:34 P

It is not based upon legitimate science. It''s pseudoscience.



AMANDANCES
Posts: 1,975
6/13/13 10:03 A

I'm loathe to link to "Dr. Oz," but I'm wondering about this whole "Plan Detox Diet" --

http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/plan-lose
-weight-eliminating-reactive-foods

He starts off on the premise that there are some foods that are "reactive" and thus cause "inflammation" in the gut. Then he delves into how sick you can get on this diet, because of the "toxins" being released. (wth?)

Is there any legitimate science surrounding this "reactive foods" idea? And if so, what exactly are these mysterious "toxins" that get released when you stop eating green beans?




 
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