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ANARIE Posts: 12,487
9/23/13 1:42 P

There's difference between what's healthy and what causes weight loss. Your profile states that you were recently underweight. If you're underweight or at the low end of the "normal" weight range, then eating a healthy balanced diet SHOULD lead to a little bit of weight gain. You're in your early 20s, right? At that age, it's normal to gain some weight if you were very thin in your teens. It's not really even "gaining weight;" it's growing up the last little bit and changing the rest of the way from girl into woman. Chances are very good that most of the weight is not coming from fat (although a woman does need a bit more fat than a girl does.) Probably, the weight you're gaining now is mostly muscle, blood, bone, organs, and breast tissue. Those are good, healthy things.

And also, some people frankly just don't have a very good level of comprehension of things they read or hear. They read, "Doctors agree that one approach to weight loss is to reduce the intake of simple carbohydrate in the form of sugar and refined grain products," and all they get out of it is "Doctors say carbs bad." They don't stop to think that "reduce" is different from "eliminate" or that "less" is different from "none," and they certainly don't make the distinction between different levels of quality.

Health and low body weight are not the same thing. A healthy combination of foods and a healthy caloric intake are not the same thing. A person who is underweight and eats a healthy diet with the right number of calories will gain weight. A person who is overweight and eats a healthy diet with the right number of calories will lose weight. But you can also lose or gain weight while eating unhealthy combinations of foods, and you can gain or lose weight by eating too much or too little healthy food.

Eating a wheel of cheese is not healthier than eating whole grain, lean meat, vegetables and fruit. Whether it leads to weight loss depends entirely on the size of the wheel of cheese.

One other thing-- This woman was invited to a meal, refused the food that was offered, and proceeded to eat ALL of an item that was intended for everyone to share??!?

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Wha???? Who DOES that?? THAT is the most unhealthy thing mentioned in this whole thread!

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 1,929
9/23/13 12:50 P

Weight loss does not occur unless someone eats fewer calories than they burn. There are a lot of calories in a block of cheese. So, I doubt that your mom's friend is going to lose any weight if she eats so many calories for lunch on a regular basis.

It's even harder to maintain a weight loss than it is to lose weight in the first place. Ask yourself this--is your mom's friend going to eat like this the rest of her life? Is she going to even be able to eat like this for as long as it takes her to lose the weight she wants? Because, even if the approach is successful for her so far as weight loss, she will regain any weight lost once she goes back to her old ways of eating.

Also ask yourself if your mom's friend is eating this way all the time and if eating this way is healthy. Cheese, alone, does not provide a good mix of the nutrients (vitamins/minerals) that someone needs. It's also short on fiber. Cheese can be part of a healthy diet, but, a diet that is filled with a bunch of cheese to the exclusion of other foods is not going to be balanced.

Losing weight and getting healthy is about finding something that you can stick with for life and which provides your body with the nutrients that it needs. For most people, I think this means moderation (not eating foods in excess, but eating a reasonable amount of nutrient dense foods and having the occasional treat).



Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 9/23/2013 (14:19)
APPRIL Posts: 2,238
9/23/13 12:47 P

Eat to keep your heart healthy, eat to keep your body healthy, eat to keep your brain healthy.
Stay active to keep your heart healthy, keep active to keep your body healthy, keep active to keep your brain healthy.

There's no rush in losing weight. Even if you lost 1 pound a month, you would eventually reach your weight goal.

Eat to be healthy.
Stay active to be healthy.





Edited by: APPRIL at: 9/23/2013 (12:51)
BRIANLIEBERTH Posts: 610
9/23/13 12:34 P

My personal belief is that the nutrition industry has convinced us that there is a one size fits all way of eating. In a perfect world I would say the moderate approach would be very good. There are some ( I am one of them) who have found that there are food that cannot be eaten in moderation (sugar for one). Sugar for me and many others only leads to binging and for some others binging and purging.

Weight loss is wanted my many people from someone who wants to lose 10 pounds to look better in their jeans to people who have battled obesity all their life and need to lose significant weight to avoid major disease. I think it is reasonable to think that those different types of people have different needs. Likewise a diabetic has a different food mixture need than a non diabetic.

Also Genetics factors in. Some people are more predestined for obesity by genetics. That doesn't mean that can't be of a normal weight it just gives less room for error.

For those who practice the everything in moderation lifestyle and it is successful, God Bless you, it just doesn't work for everyone.

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9/23/13 9:48 A

I think that there is a lot of information available on ways to eat right for A person's body, that is assumed for a wider section of the general populace than it should be.

Most of my family have either a sensitivity or an allergy to gluten and/or wheat. But I find a lot of people (including my roommate) cutting it out because of the book "Wheat Belly" (something like that). And it can be very healthy to eat that diet, but it can also be unnecessary and can lead people to NOT eat a healthy and balanced diet.

I tend to do what you do...focus on eating a healthy and balanced diet by avoiding excess.

NIRERIN Posts: 12,032
9/22/13 1:46 P

personally i believe that eat healthily is a little bit of everything. the balance is different for different people though.
there are a few things that strike me about your situation.
abroad tends to mean cities and home with parents tends to mean have to drive everywhere. is it possible that you just aren't as active as you were when you were not living at home? your exercise might be the similar, but day to day you might not just be moving as much as you were before. add to that that since you're older you're burning fewer calories and odds are your expenditures have simply dropped off a little.
are you simply eating more than you were? if you were living abroad and not eating a whole lot of variety, was it for financial reasons? in other words you didn't have the money to buy a variety of foods so that you found a nice little batch of staples that fit your budget and your calories and it happily balanced out. but now that you're home there is your food and your parents food and it's much more plentiful and since you couldn't afford or find some of the foods overseas so that you're just eating more because it's there. and larger portions because they are there. and where you would have just had an apple and some grapes as a snack overseas, you're eating apples and grapes and melons and berries because they are available and here. and particularly when someone eats the same ten or twenty things over and over and over again it becomes easier to eat more when variety is offered if that makes any sense. so if breakfast was eggs and toast and you had pasta and bechemal for lunch and dinner and now you're having an breakfast sandwich and apple and fruit with salad and soup and pasta and a full dinner with dessert it might just be that you haven't found the balance with those new foods yet and in the short term you simply are eating more because you haven't figured out how to balance all of these new foods.
if you're looking to reward yourself with cheese for a run, what other activities are you rewarding yourself with food with? because that could be another calorie increase point. so it's less the what than the how.

Edited by: NIRERIN at: 9/22/2013 (13:50)
DIETITIANBECKY Posts: 26,699
9/22/13 1:44 P

I agree with your post and "feelings" that a diet filled with a variety of nutrient-dense foods leads to overall good health. All foods can fit into one's healthy diet---yet depends on how often, portion sizes, etc. For weight maintenance (or weight loss) it really is about total calorie intake. While research does show that a low carb diet can result in a slightly faster weight loss---by 6 months weight loss is the same when comparing low carb, to a more traditional approach.

It is encouraged that one find an eating style that they can enjoy and "stick with" for the rest of one's life. Yes, many people do take in far too many carbs---especially in the form of sweetened beverages, pastries, cookies, chips, crackers, plates of pasta, etc. Discovering how this foods fit into a healthy diet is important.

It is wise to begin with portion control. And I like the plate method:
1/4 plated covered by meat/protein
1/4 covered by a grain or starchy veggies
1/2 plate covered with fruits/veggies

Becky
Your SP Registered Dietitian



IAMLOVEDBYYOU Posts: 370
9/22/13 1:43 P

First, you said that you've always thought that eating healthy is "eating a little bit of everything and nothing in excess." The second part of this is accurate; nothing should be eaten in excess. I would like to amend the first part, however. Eat a lot of the nutritious things, and just a little bit of the not-so-nutritious foods.

Will eating healthy help you lose weight? Well, weightloss comes down to calorie. If you eat too much of the right things, you will still end up gaining weight. That's why it's important to count calories.

As far as your friend eating a block of cheese- people say all sorts of things these days. If it works for her, great. But to me, the cheese diet sounds like the constipation diet...

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9/22/13 1:21 P

As I'm struggling to eat really healthy now that I'm staying at my parents' after years of living abroad, something that happened today got me questioning the meaning of "eating healthy". A friend of my mother's came over for lunch and, as she is dieting, she refused to eat carbonhydrates. I asked her a little about it, since I have always heard you should eat a bit of everything for a balanced diet, and she seemed extremely convinced it was the best way to lose weight. Then, she proceeded to eat an entire cheese while the rest of us feasted on boiled pasta and boiled meat cooked with vegetables and, for dessert, she refused to eat a few grapes, which would destroy her diet, while continuing to nibble on that very fatty cheese.

Now, not only am I annoyed that I don't have a little bit of cheese to reward myself with after running today, I started wondering about diets, and if eating healthy really is what I thought it was all my life: eat a bit of everything, don't eat anything in excess; and if eating healthy will actually help with weight loss, as I've been eating a lot healthier (a lot more varied food, a lot of soup and salads, fruit and all the nice things) after coming back to my parents' and I'm gaining weight I didn't have while eating pasta with pasta and bechamel for years.

I don't mean to lose a lot of weight, I'd just like advice on what a balanced diet really is, so thank you to anyone who takes the time to answer :)

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