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BEKERS Posts: 51
2/24/13 9:52 A

Just another pro intermittent fasting person here. My husband (who is a very athletic weightlifting kinda guy) has been doing this for months now. That means he goes for most of his training sessions unfueled. While I'm not completely consistent with it (our toddler sometimes insists that I eat with her and she might be eating before I've wanted to start eating myself) I do aim for not eating before noon and not eating after 10pm (again sometimes I'm finishing my dinner between 9-10 due to getting the munchkin bathed to bed after her dinner). Both my husband and myself have be able to progress just fine in weight training at our vastly different athletic levels and I have continued to slowly lose lingering fat.

I completely disagree with the "starvation mode" and "starting your metabolism" points out there.
Your body will not go into a starvation mode by extending your already existent fast for another few hours. "Starvation mode" doesn't even really make sense here, either you're starving or you're not. Fat is stored for fuel when you're body needs it. If you need fuel and your glycogen is all used up it will use your fat. You're body will only think it's starving if you actually starve it (i.e. calories obscenely low or nonexistent for several days) otherwise you will just feel hungry as your body is asking you to seek out food. Hunger doesn't automatically equal starving.
And as for "starting your metabolism," I find this to be a bit off too. Your metabolism doesn't shut off. It's high or it's low but it's not off and on. When you eat breakfast (or whenever you start eating after your sleeping fast) is when your feeding window begins. You've awoken the beast as I sometimes want to say. This will pretty much continue until you go to sleep.

The intermittent fast does take a little getting used to because you're setting up a new feeding schedule for yourself but if you eat the number of calories you're aiming to eat within that time you'll remain perfectly healthy and in my experience have a much easier time of sticking to your calorie allowance (much less snacking). Less snacking will also help improve your insulin sensitivity. Eating nearly constantly throughout your day can cause a bit of an insulin resistance and so after a couple hours your hypo and feeling like you need to eat. By carving out a chunk of time where you're body isn't producing insulin you are saving yourself the huge ups and downs of insulin spikes and crashes.
There are of course exceptions to this as with everything. People with insulin issues already (diabetics) need to eat healthy and work with their healthcare provider of course but a healthy human can absolutely eat this way and continue to improve their health.

ERICADURR Posts: 241
2/23/13 6:20 P

Considering the fact that I eat a piece of fruit before my workout at 6:00 a.m., I would be be forced to not eat after 2:00 in the afternoon. I don't think it would be a feasible option for those who actually eat breakfast before a regular work schedule, nor do I think it would be sustainable for any long period of time. Additionally, going 16 hours without eating seems like it would bring your metabolism to a grinding halt or force your body into starvation mode.

WHOLENEWME79 Posts: 949
2/23/13 6:12 P

Actually, multiple, peer reviewed studies have shown that eating or consuming something in the morning does help to start your metabolism.

The successful 'losers' who are part of the National Weight Control Registry all eat breakfast in the morning, at least 5 mornings a week. (the NWCR is made up of people who have lost 30 or more pounds and kept it off for 1 year or more).

At least two articles in the Journal of The American Dietitic Association also back this up. I was going to post links but they don't work if you aren't a member :(

"Eating early in the day keeps us from "starvation eating" later on, and it also jump-starts your metabolism, says Elisabetta Politi, RD, MPH, nutrition manager for the Duke Diet & Fitness Center at Duke University Medical School. "When you don't eat breakfast, you're actually fasting for 15 to 20 hours, so you're not producing the enzymes needed to metabolize fat to lose weight." - From www.webmd.com

Just wanted to put that out there since there is plenty of science-based research to back up the claim that eating in the morning helps your metabolism and weight loss.

BECK1967 Posts: 377
2/23/13 5:35 P

DonnaLee, thank you!!! That is great news :)

DONNALEE117 Posts: 22
2/23/13 11:48 A

Hi Beck, I have the book and I had the same question since it really helps me get through my morning without eating if I can have coffee. On page 57, he says that coffee & tea are encouraged bec caffeine is a mild appetite suppressant. As for the milk & sugar, it's ok if it is a minor intake of calories but to keep the additions as light as possible. He also says that there is one way to really mess up this diet and that is to take in a lot of extra calories during your fasting time by drinking lots of extra calories. But yes the coffee itself is fine according to the author of the book.

BECK1967 Posts: 377
2/23/13 8:43 A

I have a question concerning this diet, can I have coffee in the morning with a little cream ? I can do the "fasting" part in the morning, but I can't go without my coffee !

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DONNALEE117 Posts: 22
2/17/13 4:40 P

Hi,
I'm so happy I have found people here who also think this lifestyle makes sense! I was relieved when I weighed this morning and realized I have kept the weight off that I originally lost with this plan (6 lbs) before I got sidetracked. I took advantage of the weekend (and sleeping later in the morning) to get back on.
IVE BEEN BAD, I like your way of thinking in the mornings.....focusing on the fat burning going on at that time. You get up early like I do so I don't really have an excuse! I'm going to also try to get focused on that in the mornings since that is my hardest time. So, you lost 6 pounds in 4 weeks! I think that is just fine, too.. I know we all would love to lose faster than that. But, as I stop and think about it, 6 lbs X 12 months = 72 in a year. That is a lot of weight to lose! I remember reading someone posting on this site or somewhere online that he/she only lost 3 1/2 pounds in 10 days. That doesn't sound like much but it adds up to 10 pounds a month. I'd love to lose 10 pounds this month! But like you said, the scale might not accurately reflect the inches being lost. Losing 2 inches off your waist is really something to be proud of. Something good is going on.
I also feel this plan gives me a lot of freedom to live a normal life. We had company come over this afternoon. It was a beautiful day so we grilled burgers outside. Normally, I would have felt like I broke my diet (whatever diet it might have been). But, because it falls into my 8 hour window, I was able to enjoy my burger! I have felt satisfied all afternoon and haven't even thought about food. If I do start to get hungry, I'll have some berries and light yogurt. I've come to think that maybe the reason I was always battling with hunger before discovering this plan was because I was always counting calories or carbs or something and never allowed myself to just simply have a good, satisfying meal. .
I appreciate reading all of your posts. It has put me back on track! Good luck to everyone this week!

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2/17/13 1:53 P

I am 51 and have struggled with weight all my life except basically through high school where I was so active with sports that it was not much of an issue.

I love this lifestyle because of the science. I have never believed that most of the things that they were telling us were true. There are no scientific studies showing that eating breakfast jump starts your metabolism or that it is even necessary or good to eat breakfast. I googled searched and could not come up with any scientific study backing up this advice. I did find this: and no, I do not know who this dude is, yourdoctorsorders.com/2012/10/is-breakfast
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, and it is exactly what I always suspected. In fact, it is looking like the science is saying just the opposite. It will be interesting in the next couple of years to see if they can keep espousing this fallacy or if the science will put them in jeopardy of misleading the public.

For the first time in my life I feel confident that we understand how humans were meant or evolved to eat. Taking in account how humans have had to eat for 99.9999% of the time they have existed on earth, it makes all the sense in the world. The fact that human tests and studies now show how well our bodies work in this environment, I give it 5 years before it is basically the accepted method for humans to eat.

As I said in my earlier post, I love waking up and mentally knowing my body is in fat burning mode. I do about 40 minutes of easy exercise and it just gives me all the confidence in the world that I have just put my body into fat burning mode. I get up at 5am, so I am awake for quite awhile before I have my first food around 12 or 1. Most days I don't even think about it because I am on a pretty natural high of feeling like my body is burning fat. If I get hungry, I will have a cup of coffe or tea and that almost always takes care of it. However, if I am just having one of those days, and they are rare, I will eat something. It took me a couple of weeks to get to this point, but once I started thinking more about my body being in fat burning mode and not thinking about food, it has been pretty easy.

After my work out, I just am always feeling like I am burning fat. The walk out to my car, the walk into work, I park as far away as I can so I can burn fat as I walk into work, lol. I take the stairs insead of the elevator to burn fat.

Now I can't lie, I have only dropped 6 pounds in four weeks. I've started trying to do this 6 weeks ago, but it took a couple of weeks before I was really on it. I would be pretty upset with this, but I can also honestly tell you I can see the changes in my body. My belt is down two holes and soon to be three. My thighs are loose, very loose in my jeans. I can reach every spot on my back with my hands now, lol. No more rubbing up against door jambs like a bear to scratch an itch! The fat is disappearing and the only thing I can think is that I am adding muscle. I do lift weights three times a week. Nothing tremendous and I am not busting it, but I do lift. Arnold Shwartzeneger is not in danger, lol. I am truly hoping the next month or two will lead to some serious weight loss, but I have stopped weighing myself. I know it goes against what they say, but I feel physically and mentally great and not seeing the losses can put a damper on it. I can see much better muscle definition in my arms and legs – not the gut and thankfully I can't see my butt! - but I have obviously lost in the gut(belt evidence) and probably the butt(no belt, even though it could use one).

When I start to think about the benefits of anti-aging, anti-alzheimer's, anti-cancer, anti-inflammation, it just make me feel great. I can't imagine anybody reading the science and not doing this, but they certainly don't. One lady on here even called the science specious, lol. If this science is specious what is the science for eating breakfast and it jump starting your metabolism called?

I have no dog in this fight. I figure you have already bought the book and I have nothing to do with the book. In fact, I don't like the fact that he says eat what you want and all you want. I don't believe it is true and it certainly wasn't my experience. Believe me, I tried to get away with it, lol. I do eat the eight food groups and then I basically do a South Beach or mediterranean meal. I am not promoting any products. I have asked for people to share with me the scientific studies showing that breakfast jump starts your metabolism or that grazing all day is good for you and have got nothing.

Best of luck to you and I think if we stick with this, good things are in our future.


Edited by: IVEBEENBAD46 at: 2/17/2013 (13:56)
DONNALEE117 Posts: 22
2/17/13 12:20 A

That was great to read both of your posts. I kind of needed to hear that right now because what you both describe is how I felt when I started this plan. Then, I got off track when my dad became ill and now I'm finding it difficult to get back on for some reason. I wake up early at 5:30 a.m. and I've been feeling hungry and giving in and eating something on the way to work. That doesn't give me enough time in my 8 hour window. I don't get home until 5:30 or 6:00 so I really need to wait until 11:00 to eat the first meal. Oh how I wish I was one of those persons who doesn't even want to eat in the morning.
Anyway, I feel encouraged after reading your posts. It reminds me of how good I felt when I was doing this. I'm determined to get started again in the morning. Glad to hear how well it is working for both of you.

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2/16/13 10:42 A

I love this lifestyle. Fortunately, I have always disliked eating when I woke up. After years of forcing myself to eat it, it took a little while to break the habit. I just love the way I feel in the morning now. Most days, I have little trouble making it to 12 or 1 before eating. By that time, I am a fine tuned hunter, lol. I always think about how much more fat I am burning by delaying that first eating. I also feel so much more mentally sharp. I probably average three crossword answers now! That's a 50% increase. I can also fill in a couple of numbers in the Sudoku, and if I could spell, I am sure I could get at least 1 or 2 answers in the Jumble. I eat two meals a day and have a handful of nuts and a piece of fruit somewhere along the day. I've been working out, but I haven't lost as much weight as I would have thought. I've lost girth, my belt is two holes in and I can reach anywhere on my back now! lol. I think, maybe, I have lost fat but replaced it with muscle. I have been lifting weights and doing interval training. That's my theory at least and I'm sticking with it. I feel great. I go to bed a lot earlier now and wake up and work out to get the fat burning going. I have confidence in the science, and it just seems like the natural way to live and eat.

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2/16/13 9:18 A

So sorry for your loss DonnaLee...I hope you are doing ok. The good thing about this "diet" (really more a way of eating for life!) is that you can kinda jump the track but then get back on. I am currently just training myself to skip breakfast, and then not eat (and when I say eat, I mean snack) in the evening. Sometimes I'm kinda hungry in the morning, but I find that looking foward to "breaking my fast" at 12 seems to help get through it. I feel like I'm enjoying lunch and dinner a lot more because I'm not always counting calories, which everyone knows is SUCH a drag. Sometimes I get cravings to snack while watching TV in the evening, but it's really true that if you don't give in, those cravings really do pass.

My current goals are: I need to stop eating so much sugar, that is a big problem for me; I need to get more fruit into my diet; and I need to work out more. But so far I'm really happy with this diet.and hoping I can get rid of the remaining belly fat - ugh, that is where every pound goes on me - I call it my pregnancy belly. Last week I only lost a few ounces (!) - but really, the fact that I'm pretty much eating whatever I want (pizza, burgers) during the 8 hour period and NOT gaining a pound, is astounding to me - to think when I was counting calories and eating boring salads I wasn't losing anything...really truly amazing. I think when I get closer to my goal, which is to look great at my niece's May wedding - if I get more disciplined about what I'm eating during the 8 hours, I can probably blast off those last pounds.

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2/8/13 2:31 P

Am trying this out with my own spin on it to make it work for me. As we all know, it's definitely not one size fits all.

Anyway, the intermittent fasting (not continuous fasting - please!) has strong, strong science behind it, so I'm comfortable with the health side of it.

In addition to the food plan, I've also felt a lot more energy on this plan. I've been getting 10,000 steps a day (I use my FitBit to track) and I've even been doing weight training more than my regular Friday session.

First week results are misleading, but I will say that I'm VERY happy with the scale thus far. This plan also allows me to live a relatively normal life socially, since my interactions with people are generally at dinner time (I'm solo for breakfast and lunch).

DONNALEE117 Posts: 22
1/31/13 1:00 P

That is good SPARKERART! I know it is slow but consistently losing a pound a week isn't as easy as it seems. Well, I got way off track. My dad went into the hospital and my schedule got crazy with late nights and mindless stress eating well into the evening. Sure enough, I gained the weight back that I had lost. Unfortunately, he passed but it was good he didn't suffer. Being at the hospital only made me more aware of how important it is to take care of yourself. Things can still happen but it certainly helps to have a healthy lifestyle and healthy weight. I'm ready to get back on this since I did stick to it for 3 weeks. I can do it again and it is something I can live with. Thanks for your posts.....they encourage me! You are doing very well!

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1/31/13 6:56 A

Lost another pound at last Saturday's weigh-in. Glad this diet is taking the weight off slowly, I think it's more likely to stay off...still working on not binging at lunch. Am doing some quick excerises in the morning. emoticon

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1/24/13 7:38 A

After weighing myself (I had forgotten to do that before my first week on the 8-hour diet), I found that after weighing myself the same day of the second week (I believe what I have read that you shouldn't weigh yourself every day, but every week to get a more accurate weight), I I lost 2 pounds. I agree with all the other posters, that whether or not the whole science behind the fasting thing works, one thing that definitely DOES work is stopping eating after the 8 hours. I am a big "eating while watching TV an hour after dinner" person, and I have not done this for 2 whole weeks, which is major for me. I My husband and I don't get home from work until around 7, and we want to be able to eat with our high school-age son, so I push my 8 hours to around 12-12:30pm to 8-8:30pm. Amazingly, it's not that hard for me; I just dont get that hungry in the AM. I do a workout every morning around 7 and have so far not experienced the dizziness that another poster referenced.I have actually been able to stick to this diet every day with only a few exceptions.Here's my assessment so far:

Pros: Prevents all-morning snacking and after-dinner snacking; so far seems to be working with 2-lb weight loss; seems easy to stick with

Cons: I feel I'm sometimes overeating at lunch and dinner, including indulging in dessert (I'm trying to break my sugar habit) - I think I'm just so hungry by lunch that I'm binging; also I worry I'm not getting enough nutrition - I used to always have yogurt in the AM and now worry I have cut out a big source of calcium because I don't feel like eating yogurt at lunch; also, I have always tended toward bloating, and that has NOT improved on this diet.

I plan to stick with the plan to see if I actually am losing weight or if these are just normal fluctuations.Will check in again after my next weigh-in. emoticon

DONNALEE117 Posts: 22
1/23/13 9:54 P

FlippityFlop, I apologize to you! I just re-read my last post and realized I typed an error on your name. I apologize for that.

DONNALEE117 Posts: 22
1/23/13 4:03 P

I'm so sorry it isn't working for others but I guess each of us have to find our own way. Cochamama, you described my experience perfectly! I don't feel like I'm skipping breakfast, only delaying it till 10 or 10:30. Then I eat a satisfying meal and, like you, I don't get hungry again until much later. I no longer think about food all day.....not tempted by chocolate or anything. Then, I eat another good meal at 6 or 6:30 and I feel full....no need to snack at night. I'm really shocked this is working for me & I really don't know why but very happy with the way it affects my hunger level & puts me in control of my eating.
There was one day recently that I gave in and ate an early breakfast on the way to work like I used to do (an egg mcmuffin) --- enough calories but it didn't stick with me. Wow, it set me up for a long day of eating. I felt hungry all day. So I got back on this plan the next day & am now back in control if my eating. That being said, I DO think that if I were eating a small number of calories at that breakfast meal, it probably wouldn't work for me. I eat a couple of pancakes, lean ham, & a tall glass of skim milk. I'm really satisfied when I finish that meal & I think that may be one reason it is working for me. I have tried everything else & this is the fitrst time I have been able to stick to something. ClippityClop, I'm happy for you that you found a plan of eating that is working for you too! 3 pounds in one week is fantastic!

COCHAMAMA Posts: 6
1/23/13 1:15 P

I have not read the book, but for the last week have been eating between 10AM and 6PM only. I do get hungry about 9AM and just wait it out till 10. Not too bad in my opinion! I eat mostly healthy the 8 hours, but don't know or follow the 8 superfoods that the book mentions. Here is my feedback:
CONS:
1. Get hungry before 10AM
2. Must schedule dinner to finish by 6PM

PROS:
1. Eliminates evening snacking (has been a problem for more years than I can count
2. Eliminates obsession with food---food thoughts from 10AM on just 'disappeared'
3. NO hunger after 10AM...zero. I eat a good dinner by 6PM and never consider eating again.
4. More energy in the morning before breakfast and after dinner.
5. Have lost 2 lbs in one week.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 15,427
1/21/13 6:44 P

It is possible that this works for some. We are all different.

I know I feel weird and shaky all day, when I skip breakfast. It just ruins my day. And then usually I eat everything in site.

So waiting to eat doesn't work for me. This is a recipe for disaster for me, it is a guarantee that I will find some chips and cookies and candy. In an effort to get rid of the shaky disoriented feeling.

For me I wouldn't go out and start my car driving it on a empty tank. With plans to fill up later in the morning. It wont drive and will damage the engine. I can't start myself on an empty tank.

Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 2/25/2013 (15:05)
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1/21/13 4:13 P

8 Hour Diet vs Eating 4-5 small daily Meals

Well I gave the eight hour diet my best shot and staying very close to the plan. I did not eat anything I wanted though - I stayed with healthy choices and 1600 cal per day. The Good - I was rarely hungry and it helped me to realize that I don't need to eat after dinner anymore! The Bad is - about 5 days into the plan about a hour after working out I got extremely dizzy and jittery - I could not even sleep - it was a very bad feeling. I went to my kitchen and made some toast and peanut butter and I started feeling a little better. I got real dizzy twice on this plan - must be blood sugar drops etc. After doing this for 8 days I lost about 1.8 lbs.

I then switched to eating my regular 1600 calories in 4-5 small meals daily and stopped eating around 7pm - I would have breakfast around 6 am so there was no 16 hour fasts going on. I dropped 3 lbs over the next 7 days with this method with no dizzyness or horrible bloating that I got on the 8 hour diet. I do believe the 8 hour diet just about shut down my metabolism - I could just see it and feel it. Now God made us all a little bit different and Im sure the plan will work great for others but not me. Im a big man and I have to stoke the coals to keep my body running...God Bless

DONNALEE117 Posts: 22
1/15/13 12:11 A

Today, I am starting week 2 of the 8 hour diet. This plan makes total sense to me unless you have a special health problem. I don't think our bodies are designed to eat from 7 AM till 10 PM. and that is what many people are doing.
I lost 2 pounds the first week and never once felt hungry or deprived. I leave very early in the morning for work and then drive an hour so it has been hard for me to do the exercise even though it is only 8 minutes. I'm going to work on that component this week.
I am the person who buys every magazine at the grocery store so I can try every diet. Then, I never stick to anything long enough to really get this weight off. On my many previous diet attempts, I end up getting hungry or wanting a carb or something sweet or having too many points or going over my calorie limit. This plan has given me freedom from all that. This past week, my mind was not focused on food and/or hunger. I'm not tempted to snack AT ALL during the day or at night...because I am pleasantly full and definitely satisfied. Things that used to trigger my hunger during the day have no effect on me anymore. I'm not craving chocolate or sweets in the afternoon. This plan has completely changed the way I eat in just one week.
I wait until 10 or 10:30 a.m. to have breakfast but then I have a really good filling breakfast. I may be criticized for what I have but I'll go ahead and tell you honestly what I eat every morning. Pancakes with 0 cal butter spray (yes, I know it has calories), Joseph's sugar-free maple syrup (delilcious!), very lean ham, and a glass of skim milk which I love. I could probably have real margarine and full-fat milk according to the book, but I like the lower fat / lower sugar foods so why not eat as healthy as possible.
I realize now that, in the past, I was always trying to keep my calorie count down and I never felt full or satisfied so 2 - 3 hours later, I wanted something else to eat. Now that I'm having this great breakfast, I don't even think about eating again until about 3:00 PM and even then my hunger is very mild. So, I use that opportunity to have some of the 8 foods from the 8 hour diet plan. I usually have yogurt with berries and a few nuts, a small leafy green salad with a little olive oil and lemon juice. I try my best to squeeze in grapefruit or an apple but sometimes I'm so full, I have to wait until later. One afternoon, a co-worker brought me a turkey Subway sandwich and I tried to eat it but ended up throwing half away. I was just too full and had no appetite. That is so unlike me.
All day long, I drink lots of water and green tea. For dinner, I try to go with fish or chicken & vegetables but I'll include a starchy vegetable or rice if I want it. I want to eat healthy but not be super restrictive. One evening for dinner, I even had a hamburger and I was surprised I still had a weight loss the next morning. My appetite has been so light when I get home from work that I often just have a nice salad with grilled chicken on it and I'm very happy with it. That is also not typical of me. I'm usually very hungry when I get home.
So, I guess you can tell I like this plan! The question is if I can still continue to lose weight doing this. I sure hope so because I can stick to this for a lifetime. I only have to adjust my 8 hour eating window according to my plans for that particular day. So, time will tell. We will see what Week 2 brings! I am hopeful. If I can lose even 1- 2 pounds a week, that is more than I was losing before. I hope others have a good experience with it, too. I feel as if I have found a wonderful secret that I have been looking for.

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1/14/13 7:42 A

Am in the same boat, FlippityFlop...but I also didn't exercise because I have been fighting the flu...amazingly I could still stick to the eating plan even while not feeling well...but I havent been active. Am hoping to see some progress next week. emoticon

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
1/14/13 7:41 A

The problem is that unlike the mice, during the 8 hours, we can go get fast food. Sure the mouse can eat a bunch during the 8 hours, but he can't go eat food with 3X the calories.

It would be like me allowing you to eat as much green beans as you wanted for 8 hours. You might pig out on them, but you would still lose weight because you starved yourself for 16 hours. The problem with humans is we aren't mice. If you eat 3000 calories in 8 hours, you still gain weight.

Comparing us to mice is folly, until you put a drive-thru in the cage.

Edited by: RUSSELL_40 at: 1/14/2013 (08:24)
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1/14/13 7:11 A

8 hr disappointment so far. I have been on the diet for 7 days and my weight has not moved. I believe I have a very sensitive body and when I started fasting my body went right into survival mode and my metabolism slowed way down. I have stayed very close to my 1600 calories per day. The only area I think I'm lacking in is enough exercise. I did not exercise most days during the fasting period. I had one good day and that was yesterday, I got up and did a 35 minute walk/jog and I felt energized all day. I have not felt that good in a long time. So I think I will give it a few more days - I would hate to the stop this diet if I'm on the verge of a breakthrough - I will add more fasting period exercise and see if anything changes...

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1/13/13 7:40 A

GSnider, please keep us updated on how it goes! I really appreciate your positive approach to this diet. I am 9 days in and have lost 3.5 lbs.....12 more lbs. to go. I feel like a million bucks!! So much more energy in the afternoons and also a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day. I am doing the same as you: simply observing the 8 hour eating rule. I walk my dogs twice a day (slowly since one is very old) as I usually do and take a high quality multivitamin and omega-3 fish oil. I feel so much better that I haven't cheated one day yet----I'm afraid I'll go back to feeling sluggish and bloated. Once I get to my goal weight, I plan to adjust the diet down to following it 3-4 days per week. I'm so excited that this will become a great life-long, healthy way of living! emoticon Thanks again for your post, Susan

APPRIL Posts: 2,239
1/12/13 10:44 P

Remember when they said, don't eat after 8pm and you'll lose weight. This sounds like don't eat after 6pm and don't start eating before 10am and you'll lose weight. Wait a few more years and you'll only be allowed to eat between 11 am and 1pm. LOL



GSNIDER40 Posts: 140
1/12/13 5:50 P

Interesting article:

Extended Daily Fasting Overrides Harmful Effects of a High-Fat Diet: Study May Offer Drug-Free Intervention to Prevent Obesity and Diabetes

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/1205
17131703.htm

"...mice limited to eating during an 8-hour period are healthier than mice that eat freely throughout the day, regardless of the quality and content of their diet.

"Our findings,..., suggest that regular eating times and fasting for a significant number of hours a day might be beneficial to our health."

MISSRUTH Posts: 4,128
1/12/13 11:00 A

Part of the premise of the 8 hour diet is that you eat certain foods, not just graze on whatever you want during the window of opportunity. Quite frankly, it worries me a little to think that there are lightheaded/dizzy people out there on the roads during rush hour in the morning, because they've got a couple hours to go before they break their fast and start eating for the day. Your liver may be burning up stored stuff-- but is your brain getting what it needs? It would be interesting if people on this "diet" tested their blood sugar at various times, to see what effect continuous 16 hour fasting had. Low blood sugar can make you dizzy, shaky, not thinking clearly. Low enough, and you pass out.

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1/12/13 10:45 A

Ok, glad to hear someone else feels bloated...I guess it could be because I was hitting the salty foods a little too much...I didn't weigh myself before I started 7 days ago (duh) but I have followed the diet pretty religiously for the past 7 days as far as the 8-hour window is concerned, and I don't *think* I've lost anything. Time will tell. Now that I know my starting weight I'll see what the scale tells me next Saturday. Am very worried that this "not-eating-before-11:30am" thing is going to slow my metabolism down. However, I have to say that it is at least getting my out of my habit of diving into a box of cheezits or a bag of cookies during my nightly TV-watching...so anything that stops that habit can't be all bad, and I feel like that alone should be helping calorie-wise. Will be interested to see what others continue to experience on this diet.

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1/12/13 10:28 A

8 Hr diet 6 Days so Far.
Pros:
* Not hungry most of the time - mostly get quite hungry one hour before breaking the fast.
* Fairly Easy to do
* Helping me to break a 50 year nightime snack habit
Cons:
* Weight Loss seems very slow
* Experiencing Dizziness/Light headedness in the morning about a hour or so before breaking the fast

Overall Observations: Can not just Eat whatever I want like the book says - I still have to stay on my 1600 calories a day diet. I have done very little exercise so thats probably keeping the weight from falling off easier. Its weird but before I started this diet when I did not snack at night and maintained my 1600 calories and daily 30 walking the weight came down quickly. Although the book claims that fasting does no slow your metabolism down I cant help but feel that it is? I can see it in my bloated belly. I seem to be holding water weight like there is no tomorrow - yes I drink tons. Before the 8 hr diet this did not happen, when ever starting my 1600 cal regular diet I would drop 5 lbs the first week - yes it was water but at least I did not feel bloated like I do now - I feel like my body is trying to hold on to every little morsel I give it. Other Stuff: This 8hr diet was obviously stolen from the Leangains.com site and modified with tons of hype to sell books. But that does not negate the reason we are all here - we want to know if it works! I will post weeks weight loss/gain tomorrow at the end of Week One. If I am disappointed with the results I will slowly modify the plan for optimum results..God Bless





DEGAGAL Posts: 19
1/12/13 9:13 A

Please do post how you are doing I am about to go on this 8 hour diet very soon, I missed the program on TV do you know how much you can lose and how long it takes for you to notice the weight loss? I will look forward to seeing your results.

GSNIDER40 Posts: 140
1/11/13 12:03 P

I was going to let this thread play itself out, but I'll make another comment.

DIETCOLALOLA (love your name!) commented: "..I think there might be some logic behind not grazing all day and limiting food intake to 8 hours."

I have not read the book.
I don't know the "rules".
I have tried this for only 10 days, not the rest of my life.
I have not even done it every day, probably about 6 times or so in the past 10 days since I saw the segment on the Today Show last week.

On the days I have done it, I have followed only 1 rule - eat for only 8 hours in that day.

It has not been hard. Oh, sure, during the 16 hour fasting window, I've wanted to eat something, but not because I was starving, just because of mindless "grazing" habits I've developed before.

During the 8 hour eating window, I've eaten pretty much like normal. I have not made a particular effort to clean up my eating - not that I'm a bad eater anyway. I've even allowed myself a Klondike ice cream bar in the evenings on several occasions. (for me, a Klondike bar is portion control - better than sitting down with an open container of ice cream. No need to lecture me - I've made my peace with ice cream and it is in the form of one Klondike bar when I want it.)

The thing I am realizing is that in the traditional "grazing" eat-5-to-6-small-meals-throughout-the-day, for me it simply becomes eating 5-6 meals throughout the day. I start early and finish late.

At least with the 8 hour window, I limit my eating to 8 hours. I can only consume so many calories in that limited time. And it is enough time. I don't go crazy. I'm not stupid about it. I eat. Then I stop. If I really feel like I need something, I drink water or hot (green) tea. Amazing how that can fill me up! And clean me out! :)

I know, 6 times in 10 days is not a lifetime. But right now, I'm thinking I can do this for a lifetime. It seems to work with my schedule. I don't have to do it every day. I can to it 2 or 3 times (or more or less) a week. No stressing about it.

I'll do this for a while and evaluate. Maybe I'll move on to the next trendy fad diet. Maybe I'll go back to eating 5-6 "small" meals from the time I get up to the time I go to bed like everyone else.

But maybe there's something to it. And, you know, there is also some satisfaction for me to feel some hunger and to not yield to it. Before, I'd feel some hunger and think - "need to have a snack - keep the fire burning."

I think it is good to challenge traditional thinking from time to time. If the traditional thinking is valid, it will prove itself to be. If the "trend" is not valid, it will surly fail over time. If the "trend" has any validity, it, too, will prove itself over time.

And there is not just "one answer". There can be several methods that are valid. "Traditional thinking" can be valid. Something else can be, too.

Your experiences are certainly different than mine. Just sharing mine thus far.

oh, the point of all of this...I stepped on the scale this morning and I am down 6# from 10 days ago. Don't worry, I have not had my Klondike bar yet today. I'm sure I'll put it back on! :)

Am I worried? No. I'm an experiment of one. I like to try things and see how I respond to it.



DIETCOLALOLA Posts: 1,305
1/11/13 11:03 A

Diet books sell (especially at this time of year) and I agree with Miss Ruth that there will be something new out there again soon. Still, I read a lot about the reasoning for the 8 hour window (emptying the glycogens / calories stored in your liver so that you can start burning fat for energy) and I found it compelling. I remember when "dinner cancelling" was all the rage and essentially that is the same thing as the 8 hour diet. I know it won't be popular here but I think there might be some logic behind not grazing all day and limiting food intake to 8 hours.

MISSRUTH Posts: 4,128
1/9/13 8:16 A

Personally (and this is JMO) it seems like *everybody* is jumping on the, write a diet book, bandwagon. You can come up with (or steal from someone else) some new-ish idea, write a book, go on all the talk shows, and make a ton of money off people who are desparate to try some new thing, to lose weight. Especially if you can claim more than a one to two pound weight loss per week. (p.s. it doesn't matter if your claims are true or not. You can just say stuff and people will believe it.)

sigh. I am not a gambler but I've got a nickel that says before the month is over, there'll be something else "new" out there. I'm with the other posters that said, if I can't follow it for the rest of my life, it's not the plan for me.



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1/8/13 9:59 P

I have started the 8 hr diet over the weekend but went off due to relatives staying at my house. They are gone and so here I am. I can say one thing so far about the diet - I dont seem to get too hungry during the 16 hour fast time. A doctor said there is a very good reason for this - when you don't eat for 16 hours your stomach begins to shrink. This has to be the answer as when I break my fast at 9:30 in the morning I have a nice protein shake with fruit blended in. Its only about 225 calories but I get so full I dont eat again until about 1 or 2 and then I have a little bigger meal of about 400 calories - I will have an apple for a snack too. I save about 700 calories for my last meal at 5:30 PM. I eat healthy food at least 80% and 20% for whatever.
I drink oolong tea and decaf coffee during my fast time. I will report here weekly of my progress or nonprogress. God Bless

Edited by: FLIPPITYFLOP at: 1/8/2013 (22:01)
PATTISWIMMER Posts: 4,763
1/3/13 11:19 P

I have been fasting 16 hours some days so I eat breakfast after swimming 2 hours.... It is working but I don't do it every day...

ONTARIOMTBMAMA Posts: 21
1/3/13 9:01 P

I think people should eat when they are hungry, real whole foods.

Having said that most days I am not hungry until 10am and eat my last meal before 7pm. So that's 9 hours. I eat 3 meals a day no snacks except whole raw cream in my tea. I have maintained for my weight after losing 10 lbs for a few years now and my body composition has vastly improved while maintaining.

What I have learned is that everybody is different. What works for one person won't work for the next. So keep searching until you find what works for you.

GSNIDER40 Posts: 140
1/3/13 6:09 P

I agree with your comment "I don't think the idea is cutting calories."

However (I'll speak for myself) I think that if I limit my eating to an 8 hour window, I'll consume less calories than if I graze for 10-12 or more hours - with what we've been taught as the traditional "5-6 'small' meals throughout the day".

I think I might have more discipline to fast for the 16 hour window than I have demonstrated to myself to define a "small" meal. What I mean by that is I'll have "5-6 meals" throughout the day, but I'm not careful about the size. Or I'm not really having 5-6, I'm just consuming constantly throughout the day.

Therefore, I think I might consume less calories simply by virtue of limiting my window of "opportunity".

And, I think your are right that the concept is also to give the body more time to process the food.

FP4HLOSER Posts: 968
1/3/13 5:37 P

I don't think the idea is cutting calories. From what I read the idea is that the body has more time to process what you have eaten. They do consider a study from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Just throwing this out there.

"Consider this 2007 American Journal of Clinical Nutrition study: Researchers divided study participants into two groups and had each group eat the same number of calories — enough for them to maintain their weight. The only difference: One group ate all their calories in three meals spread throughout the day, while the other practiced intermittent fasting, eating the same number of calories but in a restricted time frame. Among the results: Participants who ate in a smaller window of time had a “significant modification of body composition, including reductions in fat mass.”

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1/3/13 5:16 P

It is something to consider though.... you want to keep off the weight you lose, right? So generally, the eating/lifestyle changes you make need to be ones you can maintain for long periods of time. So if you think you can't maintain it for a long period of time (ie years), then it's probably not the best plan.

GSNIDER40 Posts: 140
1/3/13 5:12 P

I don't know if I could do it for the rest of my life. I tend to not set "rest of my life" goals. I have a hard enough time with a New Years resolution! I usually try a quarterly / 90 day goal, see how it goes and adjust from there. Maybe that's just a personal life management style.

I know people who fast in one form or another for religious reasons over a long period of time. It's not unreasonable to consider.

GSNIDER40 Posts: 140
1/3/13 5:08 P

Good points, Russell.

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1/3/13 5:00 P

So on this 8 hour diet, do you plan to or even can you do it for the rest of your life? If the answer is no, well, that's a pretty big answer as to whether or not this will work.

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
1/3/13 4:46 P

If you ate enough to feel full for the other 16 hours, I doubt you would be losing weight. Most people eat over 12-14 hours, and still get hungry at night sometimes. Plus are there any other guidelines besides don't eat for 16 hours.

If it is also recommended to not overeat, that can be done on any diet. It would seem to me that if I was to cut a meal, I would cut dinner. That is the one I am most likely to overindulge in. Of course if I went 16 hours without eating, my lunch would probably be 3000 calories..lol.

As a diabetic, who has controlled it through diet, and weight loss, and is no longer on medication for it... I agree with the hypoglycemic poster, on similar concerns. I got to be diabetic because I spiked my blood sugars at infrequent, large meals. I have learned to eat 4-5 meals a day, of smaller portions, and doubt 2 large meals is healthy. For every diabetic/ hypoglycemic who is diagnosed, there are others who are undiagnosed, or heading towards that by eating in an unbalance way. I now only worry about low blood sugars, and while you can argue that most people aren't hypoglycemic, or diabetic... wouldn't it be nice to eat in a way that might prevent messing up your body processes, instead of waiting to be diagnosed with a disease to make changes.

The way we eat once we get sick is a healthy way to eat. It is how you are supposed to eat all the time, but we somehow eat a terrible diet, and say we'll eat healthy once we have a deadly disease. That is madness. There isn't a different way to eat when you are healthy , or unhealthy, it is just easier to convince you once are dying that you should make changes. Do yourself a favor, and switch BEFORE you get sick.

GSNIDER40 Posts: 140
1/3/13 4:34 P

Not really a lot of rules - just limit eating to an 8 hour window. ...and have some "smarts" about what it is you are eating during that time. No one is suggesting you pig out or eat junk.

Might take some time and discipline to not make it through the 16 hour fasting window, but it can be done.

Not for everyone, though.

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1/3/13 4:27 P

I don't know anything about it but I've found any "diet" with so many rules, is a waste of effort.

Plus, if I could only eat during an 8 hour window, I'd be STARVING a few hours after the window is over.

GSNIDER40 Posts: 140
1/3/13 4:25 P

"Restricting the "time" that you can eat food to just 8 hours; does not necessarily cut calories enough for weight loss to occur."

Good point. I think he would reply that if you really abide by the 8 hour rule, you will be full enough to not eat in excess.

BTW, I am not promoting this, just saw it yesterday and was interested.

Also, I would think that if someone would want to do this, they would have a reason to be doing it in the first place and would not purposely eat in excess. The challenge, of course, is to keep the intake to the 8 hour rule.

He also says this does not have to be a 7 day a week program - people can see benefit in only 2 or 3 days a week.

As I see it, one of the main points is to not be consuming calories for such a long time during the day.

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1/3/13 4:05 P

i watched all the clips yesterday and even read the magazine article earlier this week.. for some reason, i cant grasp it and am not sure that that is really healthy. i am hypoglycemic and am afraid that people will start to see symptoms of that by using this diet.

DIETITIANBECKY Posts: 27,858
1/3/13 4:03 P

Restricting the "time" that you can eat food to just 8 hours; does not necessarily cut calories enough for weight loss to occur.

I do not endorse these concepts.

SP Dietitian Becky

GSNIDER40 Posts: 140
1/3/13 2:57 P

The author of the book The 8 Hour Diet was making the media rounds yesterday (Jan 2, 2013).

Here is the video clip from The Today Show about The 8 Hour Diet. Matt Lauer really pushes back on the author about the program:
Start the new year off light with ‘8-Hour Diet’
Losing weight is one of the most popular New Year’s resolutions, and everyone is always looking for new ways to shed the pounds. David Zinczenko shares tips featured in his new book, “The 8-Hour Diet.”
today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/vp/50342637
#50342637


Here is a link from the same author on the Kathy Lee and Hoda show later in the day:
Count to 7 or 8 and lose the weight with two diets
David Zinczenko, the author of “The 8-Hour Diet,” and JJ Virgin, author of “The Virgin Diet,” share two diets for the new year that incorporate numbers. With the 8-Hour Diet, you eat the foods you choose within an 8-hour period, exercise for eight minutes, and incorporate eight power foods. On the Virgin Diet, you drop seven foods from your diet to lose seven pounds in seven days.
today.msnbc.msn.com/id/3041426/vp/50343738
#50343738


Here is a link on Amazon.com to the book The 8 Hour Diet:
www.amazon.com/8-Hour-Diet-Disappear-Witho
ut-Watching/dp/1609615905/ref=sr_1_1?s
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eywords=8+hour+diet



One of the reviews for the book says this:
"Having said all that, "The 8 Hour Diet" was [allegedly] stolen from leangains.com, Martin Berkhan's website. He has been writing about the 16/8 fasting diet for years, which in turn has turned the bodybuilding world upside down. He has changed countless amounts of blog and forum members lives with his methods. It's a shame "The 8 Hour Diet" makes no mention of him or his website.

So, if you're interested in this book, check out Leangains.com for original (and FREE!) version of the diet."

I googled Leangains and found the the guide:
www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.
html


Interesting article about the mental discipline to achieve your fitness goals:
www.leangains.com/2010/01/marshmallow-test
.html


Sorry for all the links. You can read, google and click around to get more info.
I will read more about it and try it. Maybe only 2 or 3 days a week to see how it goes.

Does anyone in Spark land have experience with this?
Let me know what you think.
I'm interested in your opinion.



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