There are people here (no names) that start threads that you know it's b.s., so I just avoid them....knowing it's not true to begin with. I enjoy it more when someone says "Let's start a debate", as opposed to starting a thread just to see the results of it.
Yup, Eelpie - I do know what you mean! I don't think "integrity" is quite the word - openness of intention, maybe?
I figure that most posts here in the Cafe are looking for discussion, unless it is specifically stated that there is an issue that they are looking for input on. Other fora are more geared to having the majority of posts being issues looking for input, unless specifically stated that it's for discussion.
The thing is, here in cyberspace where we don't *know* each other and are relying on our own interpretations of written words, what one person can see as being an obvious intention, someone else will not see at all.
This thread is a great example --- the initial post states an opinion, and, to me, openly invites debate. A post later on clarifies the opinion and explains personal experience (to paraphrase: KJ decided to have fruits and veggies and water because he decided that the health benefits outweighed his dislike of their taste), and I see that as wondering why anyone else couldn't make the same decision, and inviting more debate on that idea.
(For the record: I *still* vehemently oppose the idea of eating stuff that I don't like the taste of just because it's "healthy" - I'd rather keep exploring for options that I do like the taste of to get the "healthy" benefits!)
It's always good to be reminded that not everyone is going to *see* what we intend in what we write, and to try to be as clear and open as we can. I know it's pretty darned easy for me to think that something I've written is obvious - only to find that I've been way off the mark, and it can be interpreted in multiple ways!
I always like a discussion that's framed more as a "debate" - I find that a lot of folks (including myself) are more thoughtful and detailed with their responses when they are "arguing their position" instead of just agreeing with each other. Besides - it's fun to "argue" with you, KJ!
I've found that messages on the boards stating flatly "I don't like the taste / texture / aroma of vegetables or fruits" get a lot of really thoughtful responses, mostly from folks who have been there / done that. It seems that most of us can get past that attitude once we open our minds to trying different items, different preparations, and different approaches.
There really is no reason to force yourself to eat foods that you loathe simply because they are "healthy" - there are lots of different options that you can try that will give you the same vitamins and minerals and "healthy" benefits. It's just a matter of being willing to give things a try.
Some folks find it easier to keep an open mind to opinions that are shared more in the form of a "brain-storming session", while others find it easier with opinions that are shared more in the form of a "debate". I like seeing both types of threads on the boards - just like dietary approaches, there should be something out there that we each find works best for *us*.
Thanks for the fun threads, KJ - you always get some great responses!
Have any of you ever read here on the message boards that some folks won't eat food that's generally considered healthy (fruits & vegetables) because they don't like the taste?
That's the point I'm coming from; many folks will say they'd rather eat cake, cookies and pop-tarts than eat healthy food because it tastes better or something to that effect.
For me (and I suspect for several of you as well) I learned to LIKE healthy food, I am NOT a fan of fresh fruit, veggies and water because to "ME" they tasted nasty but after shifting my paradigm in thinking about how the food that I shove into my pie hole makes me healthier I started to do it and stuck to it.
Disagree. I'm a bit of a foodie, so I love good food. For me, this journey has been all about finding and making tasty, healthy food that satisfies. I make tacos, peanut noodles, meatloaves, curries, etc. All very tasty things that I love to eat that are still good for me in the correct portion size.
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"How can I get others to understand that taste does NOT matter?"
It matters a whole lot to me. I do not think of food as fuel, and I am not going to spend the next 30 years of my life eating boneless chicken breasts because they are low calorie. I would eat fried chicken, if I really wanted it, but if I did, I would plan for it, and make sure that it did not upset my calorie allotment for the day.
I firmly believe you can have anything you want, you just can't have EVERYTHING you want.
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Taste matters..alot! I love flavorful foods. I do not like greasy, over salted over processed food.
My boneless skinless chicken breasts are rubbed with a spicy seasoning, sautéed in a little olive oil and finished in chicken broth so that they are moist and yummy.
My asparagus is grilled and seasoned with garlic and lemon... other veggies are cooked in a manner to enhance their flavor.
I do not like greasy, over salted over processed food.
Taste totally matters to me. That is part of the joy of eating. I cannot eat food that tastes like a barium swallow. I would never stick to a diet like that.
That being said. I try to evolve my pallet and make my healthier food tastier. So that I won't miss the other stuff that is not so healthy. And I am constantly working on my recipes to make them healthy and tasty.
Oh and you cannot pay me to eat chicken breast, ever. They are gross. I eat chicken thighs minus the skin. Although I am not above eating the skin on a rare occasion.
Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 3/27/2014 (20:01)
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Taste matters to me! I think good food tastes good. The more you eat of it the more bad food tastes bad. After giving up sugar for a couple of months when I take a taste of it now it is gross.
taste does matter..and with a little research and training your taste buds to accept less sugar, salt, and fat...you can enjoy healthy food without the added calories. Years ago the experts were pushing steamed veggies, skinless chicken and fish without any added oil, and new versions of low fat everything. A lot of it was bland and tasteless...so people who were dieting gave up quickly. Then people realized that there were healthy fats and a Little olive oil could add a ton of flavor...and more people were willing to stick with a healthier way of eating. You don't have to give up flavor...it's a matter of finding better options and better ways of preparing things
Yes of course taste matters. But it doesn't have to be deep-fried and over-salted to taste good. The right seasonings and good fats (olive oil, avocado, etc.) are all it takes.
Edited by: ANAMORPHOSIS at: 3/27/2014 (19:45)
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I don't think taste matters in terms of being spicy, salty, fried as I like my food very plain and it is better for me. Like I tell my son, keep trying it every time and it will become something you want to eat.
I have never had that special relationship with food that my family seems to: ie. start salivating at the smell of ribs etc.
Just me and my OCD going through life not mixing our foods!!!! No putting sauces on them,
I'll let you know, I'm NOT a fan of boneless-skinless chicken breast. Maybe chopped up in a stir fry or something, fine, but just a baked or poached chicken breast? That is on my Do Not Eat list, along with limp celery, zero-fat dairy, and apple-cider-vinegar-as-a-beverage. Nope nope nope! I'd so much rather have a smaller portion of a chicken thigh (with skin *on*, perhaps!).
I do not "do" Diet Food. I do not eat what doesn't taste good. That would only set me up to feel I were sacrificing-and-depriving and I guarantee you that THOSE feelings WOULD eventually cause me to toss in the towel in woe and a vale of tears, "if this is what I have to do to be slim i'd rather stay heavyyyyy".......... (yeah. been there).
Now - that said - I am learning to like a much wider array of things. I am being open to tasting and learning to enjoy a variety of "whole foods" - for example, kale. I thought I didn't like kale. I gave kale a chance. Kale might not be my favorite thing, more favorite than chocolate or a turkey drumstick, but hey - kale is not bad! In fact, it's pretty good! My kale-avocado-sesame salad is amazing! And I eat it because I honestly really do like the taste of it.... not because "Kale Is Good For You."
Taste matters. Maybe not for a short-term crash diet, I could talk myself into any kind of deprivation if i knew it were only going to last a couple weeks or so.... but since I'm in this For LIfe.... i better make sure I'm establishing life habits I will ENJOY.
Ummm, KJ? Just because taste does not matter to *you* doesn't mean that it's not pretty darned high on the priority list for others.
I'd be one of those who you'd never convince to your way of thinking, because I would have happily stayed a member of the fat gals club if it came down to a choice of that or never enjoying food again. Taste really is *that* important to me.
To *me*, food is not just fuel. All aspects of it - searching for recipes, shopping, planning, preparing, cooking, tasting, and sharing it with those I care about - are a happy part of my life, and I would not be willing to let that go. Food that doesn't taste wonderful to me is just a sad waste of my time.
The good thing is that this really isn't a choice that has to be made - it's entirely possible to resign your membership in the fat boys / gals club and still eat fabulous food.
I *did* base my weight loss efforts on trying to eat food that tastes YUMMY. I based my eating on the levels that I'll need to maintain for the rest of my life, so deliberately sought out foods and preparations that make me happy enough that I *prefer* to continue eating them forever. I would have to say that this approach worked out just fine for getting me out of the fat gals club...
I can honestly say that I haven't chosen to give up a single thing that I truly loved the taste of - although I have had the experience of sitting down to enjoy one of my old faves and being deeply disappointed because it just didn't taste any good to me anymore. As I've experimented with new and different foods, my taste buds have changed and things that I used to "love" now just aren't good enough.
I'm happy that the concepts of "food is fuel" or "taste does NOT matter" work for some folks, but have to admit that I would prefer to be fat than to subscribe to either of those ideas. Good thing that different things work for different folks, eh?!
Taste doesn't matter? -_- wth? I see............ you are just trying to scare everyone. Healthy food doesn't have to taste bad.
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Taste does matter because if you didn't like the taste of baked skinless chicken breast (which is bland as H*** IMO - must. have. flavor) you wouldn't be willing to eat it for the rest of your life.
I think taste in of itself is not the most important thing, but being willing to change your taste preferences is. For example, in college I would have been perfectly happy to exist on a diet of pop tarts, pizza, mozzarella sticks, chicken tenders, and cheez its for the rest of my days. But this directly conflicted with my desire to be fit enough to fence at a high level when my team competed. So I started eating healthier (aka not fried) foods. Over time the idea of fried food on a regular basis lost its appeal to me because I lost the desire to taste *that* much fat and grease in a single bite of food. For every food I listed at the beginning except for pizza and cheezits, I've found other things that now taste better to me than mozz sticks, chicken tenders, and pop tarts once did.
I'd present people with the concept of old-fashioned scales. On one side you pile on how much is the pleasure of eating bad food worth to you. On the other side how much do you want to look trim and fit. Or tell them to eat while sitting in front of a mirror in their birthday suit.
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