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WEWRTFO Posts: 147
4/23/14 5:59 P

Your struggles described in original post sums up my lifetime of weight loss failures until now. I used to allays allow 20%of calorie intake for sweets or junk food while eating 80% super healthy. Also increasing the usage of artificial sweeteners unknowingly were causing even more cravings for sugar than the amount I was allowing. I would do well for several weeks through will power consuming much food that taste rather bland. I was hungry all the time, sometimes have intense cravings for sweets and junk carbohydrates which eventually caused some uncontrollable food eating binges that reverted to my old eating habits.

As described in my spark page elimination of all AS and most sugar has been a life changer, completely changed my natural eating habits in pleasant unexpected ways. Away went all my lifetime hunger issues, cravings for sweats and no chance I will go back to my old eating habits. My taste buds, changed in a great way, sweets are too sweet, foods that use to taste bland are the ones I crave. It's easy to distinguish thirst from hunger, your ability to realize when your full with much less food than you ever though possible. Once my taste buds changed I was able to experiment on other areas of the diet and found by increasing amount of fat, eggs, cheese, butter and limiting most wheat and starch has allowed me to loose weight effortlessly, enjoying food at least twice as much, and at least half as many calories as my old eating habits.

As others have suggested it s best to completely avoid the sugar. I would suggest avoid all sugar and AS except from vegetables and whole fruit for a month. If your lucky enough as I am you may not miss or crave it again. It gets easier the longer you go, which surprised me, never thought I would be saying I now choose avoid it for life. I have grown a good understanding regarding sweets, as I still enjoy the smell and aroma and have no problem being around people consuming or enjoying them. For example Easter dinner we had Dairy cream ice cream cake for desert. My daughters, wife, parents, sister in law, wife parents all enjoyed this desert while I enjoyed cutting the cake. It was not at all appealing and found myself 2 mandarin oranges for my desert. If your work ,home or social event environment tempts you on sugar, remember whole fruit is your friend early on substituting sweets with whole fruit throughout the day, not too much at one time, keeping your blood sugar levels consistent. In a perfect scenario your going to crave and eat vegetables twice as often as fruit and view fruit as a desert you can eat in single servings spaced throughout the day. If your able to crave vegetables more or crave fruit as a desert more than any food that contained sugar you once enjoyed. The constant daily choice becomes easy to avoid sugar for life. For me no AS and sugar for life = no sacrifice in food, enjoy food more, easy weight loss transformation in progress, will happen and be able to maintain weight once it is off. I wished it could be simple for everyone but unfortunately everyone is different and its ultimately up to each individual to discover which type of nutrition through food will solve there own weight issues. I do believe it will have to wait until I loose my own weight and keep it off before I earn
credibility and back up my statements. Good luck if you do try going no sugar.

4/23/14 5:52 P

Could it have nothing to do with the sweets? It was just Easter - maybe family stress, going back to work stress, etc has triggered something in you to seek comfort. I always miss my mom over the holidays and feel like I am more emotionally frail. And as a parent I worry about creating perfect memories for my kids that often come up short.

To help refocus, you might journal or find some other way to deal with feeling like you are having a hard time getting back on track.

4/23/14 5:39 P

Renata, I can understand not trying to "wedge in" one chocolate per day. For me personally, I don't have that piece of chocolate if I'm up too high on my calories for the day or if I'm full from dinner. However, there are very few days when I don't want something sweet after dinner, and dark chocolate, being delicious and high in anti-oxidants, fits the bill nicely. It pushes some kind of satiety button, and I'm good for the rest of the evening. For me one per day isn't a minimum, but for the most part, a maximum.

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4/23/14 4:09 P

I have a real problem personally with the "one square of chocolate per day" thing. (I'm speaking just for myself here, not against anyone who finds it helpful. Just offering a perspective.) I have zero trouble with sweets typically, but when I've done this (because why not, right?) I've found that after a while I start to think about it too much, like "have I had my chocolate yet today?" It almost becomes a burden. Do I feel obligated, because this is my "treat"? Do I want two? And so on.

And yet it's not exactly the chocolate itself that causes the problem, because I can and do have the occasional chocolate in other contexts, and I can and have left a chocolate bar that I didn't buy myself for that purpose sitting untouched on the front shelf of the refrigerator for months on end, all without even thinking about it, much less having it trigger other issues.

For me it's something about the routine. I just plain do not want -- and do not find helpful -- a routine that includes sweets every day. It's not an all or nothing thing (because like I said, I do have desserts and sweets when the occasion calls for it, even eat small amounts of my mother-in-law's cakes if they're there without much thought or anything.) It's more of a lifestyle choice. I am entirely comfortable and content with my life when it doesn't contain a daily sweet. Trying to wedge one in for no reason leads to less comfort and less content-ness. So why do it?

Like I said, just another perspective and maybe if there's someone like me out there it will be useful.

4/23/14 1:48 P

I don't have much advice to offer that you haven't been given already here, but you have my sympathies. I have a real sweet tooth also.

Occasionally I make my husband hide something from me, which solves the temptation problem, but I think it contributes to an all-or-nothing point of view that ultimately I'm trying to get away from. I allow myself one square of one of those 72% cocoa dark chocolate bars a day. I had to start buying them in the little individually-wrapped squares to keep a reign on portion control. Once in a great while I have two. But if it got so I couldn't handle it and had to eat all the chocolate in the house at once, I would have to stop buying it altogether. My husband doesn't do that great of a job hiding stuff.

KKKAREN Posts: 12,447
4/23/14 1:46 P

Sweets are my problem too! I got off them for a few months and felt great, lost 16 lbs. Then I had one Coke and dream about when my next one will be. Other sweets have crept in too. For me it's time to go cold turkey again.

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4/23/14 1:08 P

Thank you for your messages. Maybe I do need to rethink my plan. I allow myself a hersheys kiss or two almost every night. Maybe that is to often. I budget the calories for it, so I never would go over my calorie limit. And I don't "forbid" anything, for instance I was addicted to Mocha Frappes from McD - I had them 4 - 5 times a week, now I have half of a small once a week. I think that works because I know I can have it so I don't get into the "I gotta have it" way of thinking and have 5 in a week because I have "forbidden" it. Sunday we had a family gathering and of course there were sweets of all kinds, I did ok. I stayed in my calorie range - granted I was at the top of it, but still in it. I think what put me over the edge was my bf made a homemade sugar cookie in the shape of an egg to make a fruit pizza on, he ended up not using it so here it was calling my name. After about 6 trips back to it for more I threw it out, but I think the damage was done - my cravings were back. The good thing is I figured it out quickly and I am taking steps to rectify the situation before I pop the other three tires. So again thank you for your words of encouragement and support. It helped.

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4/23/14 12:11 P

I agree with a previous posters -- get rid of the sweets if at all possible just to nip this in the bud. Out of sight, out of mind. If you can't just throw them away (they belong to or are "for" someone else in the house, for instance), then stick them somewhere especially for that person, where you can't see them as often as now, and that may work. If it doesn't, you may have to go back to some version of plan A with copious apologies.

Beyond that, I think the key may be to figure out why you want them. How much of that kind of stuff have you eaten over the past several months? It may be too much or too little. (For example, maybe you schedule yourself a sweet every day but that's not quite infrequent enough to really break the taste for it, so at the first provocation you go right back to where you came from. Or maybe it's so little that you are suffering from a feeling of resentment that is overriding your better judgment. In this case you may consider what you value most in terms of living your life day to day, and either have sweets more frequently but still controlled, or recommit to your previous plan.) It may have nothing to do with sweets as such but rather be due to a stress trigger, trying to comfort yourself or punish yourself in some way. It may be nothing much at all (just hormones or something), and you'll be fine with no further effort once you've gotten away from the stuff for a day or two. There's no way of knowing but to try.

NIRERIN Posts: 13,440
4/23/14 10:00 A

it is possible that what you were doing between january and sunday just isn't sustainable for you? when you make a lot of drastic and difficult changes all at once, most people can keep them up from anywhere from a few days to a few months. but if what they're doing isn't hitting all the spots it needs to hit, they fall off the wagon and go back to what they were doing before.
can you pinpoint what was different about sunday? were you just getting sick of making all this extra effort that you didn't have to before? did you push your ability to go cold turkey to its limit? did you find yourself in a situation that you hadn't been able to plan around? if you want to work around it, you need to figure out what you need to work around. it might be that there are a few foods that you can just never have again. it might be that you need to find ways to work in those foods that doesn't cause a free for all [in other words not sitting down with that food when you are hungry, only having it when you are already near full, pairing it with something that makes you full, perhaps even just not calling it an off limits food could work].
and just like learning to play the piano, part of learning is learning what not to do. if you're off, that's fine, it just means you need to try a new way that works around what didn't work the last time. the best advice i have ever heard on these boards was that if you get a flat tire, you don't go out and slash your remaining good tires so that all your tires match. when you let one off meal become one off day, become two, become three, become your old eating habits, that's going out and slashing your other three good tires. it's fine to have a slip up every now and then. but when it happens choose to go back to your healthier pattern. if your response is that you don't want to, ask yourself why. once you know that why you can find a way to work around the obstacle [ask here on the boards, someone has likely been right there before]. yes, it's hard. but if you think of it as a dam that you're trying to plug with a finger then you have no chance to fight it. you've mentally given in already. if you think of it as a puzzle with a solution or something that you can work on or choose to do then that gives you more power because it's less of a hopeless situation. you have the choice to bring this down to a size that you can tackle. it sounds to cheesy to be saying this, but how you think of things can make a big difference, especially when it comes to self-fulfilling prophecy. if you decide that something is too big for you, it's always going to be too big for you. if you decide that you can and will do something, it might take a few tries and a lot of effort, but simply deciding that you can and will is a big step.

JAMIRBLAZE Posts: 1,427
4/23/14 9:18 A

Some things that have helped me:

Track everything - BEFORE you eat it. It really helps put the breaks on the demon sometimes when I can see how much damage that I will be doing.

Get rid of the excess sweets. Trash them, take them to work, etc. Anything that acts as a trigger for you has to go. I have a sweet tooth, but most I can have in moderation. I have a few things that I just CANNOT have a couple of and therefore, do not bring into my home or keep if someone gives them to me.

Plan all of your food for the day before you eat it, including snacks. Less flexibility means that you just can work in yet another treat.

Remind yourself why you are doing this. Something visual on your phone or fridge or wherever you can access in the places you have issues is best.

Good luck! Congrats on the progress that you have already made! emoticon

Edited by: JAMIRBLAZE at: 4/23/2014 (09:19)
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4/23/14 9:04 A

I have been doing really well since January, but starting Sunday I have been eating very unhealthy. It's like because I allowed myself to eat a couple of bites of sweets (my biggest weakness) that now the dam has opened and I have reverted to my old eating habits. I am trying to reel myself in and reassert myself but it is really hard. I did allow myself sweets while "dieting" so I don't know why I am all of a sudden reverting back to old habits. Any thoughts, tips, or advice? Thanks so much.

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