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JAPIOW Posts: 1,177
2/5/14 4:09 P

Thank you ;D

TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/5/14 2:53 P

No, I like sour cream and glazed twists, esp from Dunkin' Donuts, or from any small mom and pop donut shop. Advice? Eat more than you burn... strength train in the 8-12 rep range... stay with someone who puts extra ingredients in food without telling you... lol

JAPIOW Posts: 1,177
2/5/14 2:45 P

chocolate donuts? I'm trying to gain some weight now emoticon maybe you can give me some advice

TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/5/14 2:40 P

Good for you! I like donuts emoticon

JAPIOW Posts: 1,177
2/5/14 2:34 P

I lost weight by eating cookies emoticon

JAPIOW Posts: 1,177
2/5/14 2:33 P


TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/5/14 2:33 P

Sure, so I suppose then whenever someone goes to visit someone else, they should just go into the other person' kitchen and cook their own food. Heck, when going out to eat we all should go into the restaurant's kitchen and cook our own food there, too, instead of asking the restaurant to prepare the dish in a healthier way. Parties, too. Wow, you could just start a revolution.

And yes - I speak out to make a change. Just like when people try to force unhealthy foods on me at social gatherings, like to try their cakes or pastries or whatever if I don't want to - I tell them I don't want it and I don't eat it - rather than just eating it to go along with it.

And I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. If you are staying with someone who cooks unhealthy foods and you ask them to cook things for a shared meal in a healthier way, rather than just passively eating it in the unhealthy way it was always prepared - YOU are making a healthy lifestyle change for yourself. And that is, MAKING A CHANGE. Thx

--MEOW-- Posts: 4,524
2/5/14 2:25 P

Uhm I'm glad we all agree now :P

JAPIOW Posts: 1,177
2/5/14 2:13 P

Haha yes, exactly. And this is what you said:

-Many times a reason people don't progress on their diets is they want to avoid conflict and appease other people instead of speaking out to MAKE A CHANGE-

telling other people how to cook is not 'making a change'. Cooking your own healthy food would be making a change emoticon

TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/5/14 1:53 P

The only person you can change is yourself. You can't "make" someone else change. Asking someone to prepare something a different way is not "making" someone else change, lol. I guess when people go to restaurants and ask them to prepare the food without butter, meat, etc. - they are not making lifestyle changes for themselves - they must be just trying to make the restaurant change.

--MEOW-- Posts: 4,524
2/5/14 1:48 P

Lol yes.... oh well :)

TRYINGHARD54 Posts: 5,292
2/5/14 1:33 P

Cook your own breakfast ?

JAPIOW Posts: 1,177
2/5/14 1:29 P

Danny just so you know I completely agree with you :) in order to make a lifestyle change you have to actually change. Making other people change doesn't count as 'changing' :)
But I guess if your mom is forcing you to eat sugary food there's nothing you can do about it emoticon

TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/5/14 1:15 P

"Uhmm... I think cooking our own food would be easier than expecting other people to change the way they cook to suit our needs :S."

Let me make this clear (again). She is the one who wants to cook breakfast for everybody. She likes to cook it for everyone who visits or whom she visits - not just me. As I already stated, she dislikes it if someone wants to do it any other way than her way. She also has a known problem with my weight going down. My sister lost weight at one point too and she was calling us "goblins" and "heroin addicts" when we were in the healthy weight range.

I PREFER to cook my own food, but it's a tradition of sorts with her so I've been going along with it. However I have lost a large part of the weight that I gained when I was in poor health (45 lbs) and I won't gain it back! As I said I don't even care if there was sugar in there if it was a measured amount. Anyone who is serious about weight loss and tracking their food knows that you have to know what you're putting in your mouth else you won't lose, and the closer you get to goal (I am about 4-5lbs away) the more you need to do so.

So as to your comment - she still would prefer to cook with modifications than not at all. I think she also sees how much I do around here for her and it makes her feel like she is doing something in return. Perhaps she feels it's not being appreciated because I don't take it as is.

So uuuhmmm yes I cook all my own food, but am doing my best to go along with her traditions for breakfast - but I won't sacrifice my goals or weight loss for the sake of going along with it totally. She also used to do things like just put bowls of snacks next to me, which I didn't ask for, when I was working at my computer, and buy me junk foods that she thinks are good. Yes, I realize she's just doing it because she is trying to help out but, many things people do are not helpful to someone losing weight. The fact that she thinks I am too thin (which I am not) doesn't help what she does either.

Anyway, I'm calling this case closed - resolved - as I already said. Thanks for the input.

Edited by: TRI_BABE at: 2/5/2014 (13:17)
2/5/14 10:28 A

if you're still losing weight, she can't be adding that much sugar to the food. my girlfriend used to do that because her daughter was way-underweight and thinking she was fat. she was so bony but wore loose clothing to try to disguise it.

is it possible your mom just doesn't like her cooking to be questioned? if she is the type to take "great pride" in her cooking, she might be offended by your criticism. just a thought.

STARMONICA SparkPoints: (222,461)
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2/5/14 9:53 A

I feel ok after cutting sugar in food. No I can eat no sugar food mostly.

JAPIOW Posts: 1,177
2/5/14 9:44 A

emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

--MEOW-- Posts: 4,524
2/5/14 9:12 A

Lol :S... a Lil bit of sugar is good for your soul :)

Edited by: --MEOW-- at: 2/5/2014 (09:13)
JAPIOW Posts: 1,177
2/4/14 10:59 P

BUD_44 SparkPoints: (40,111)
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2/4/14 8:59 P

Never use it and avoid foods that are high in it. Pop is one of the worst things you can drink. I NEVER drink it.

--MEOW-- Posts: 4,524
2/4/14 8:22 P

"...Many times a reason people don't progress on their diets is they want to avoid conflict and appease other people instead of speaking out to make a change."

emoticon Uhmm... I think cooking our own food would be easier than expecting other people to change the way they cook to suit our needs :S.

Edited by: --MEOW-- at: 2/4/2014 (20:24)
WALIDGAZALA Posts: 8,106
2/4/14 3:56 P


EXOTEC Posts: 3,327
2/4/14 3:55 P

I agree - after cutting the majority of sugar from my diet, I notice even small amounts. Most commercial/prepackaged foods already have lots of sugars in them, whether they sneak them in under other names or not. Of course, that's not what you're referring to here with breakfast. Still.

Sugar is frequently called a toxic substance to our metabolisms from many resources now. If nothing else, it's strongly contributory to the development of Type 2 diabetes.
Perhaps "Mom" might have more concern for health than weight loss?
Worth a shot, anyhow.

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2/4/14 2:50 P

People who love to cook and love good food really do like to make it taste the very best that they can, especially when they are making the food for someone that they love. I have a feeling that your mom is probably a good cook and she knows what makes food taste really good. You may want to watch her cook sometime and see what it is that she is adding to make the food taste good. Maybe its salt or sugar or butter, all of those things will help make food that we think of as really tasty. If that's the case, you can always just eat a little less knowing what the ingredients are. Personally I prefer a little bit of really good food to a lot of mediocre or bad food.

JAPIOW Posts: 1,177
2/4/14 2:41 P

emoticon I think what Hunter is trying to say is that you should appreciate the things your mom does for you. I wish my mom cooked for me, sugary or not

TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/4/14 1:15 P

Thanks for telling me what I SHOULD do. I thought I only had one Mom.

HER vaporizer damaged something costly of mine. Sure, why would I care about that. I ask someone what is in food that is being prepared as it's important to a known goal I have and they don't honestly tell me. Why would I care about that either. Great ideas, "thanks."

Situation is resolved anyway... as I already said.

XHUNTERX Posts: 974
2/4/14 1:07 P

If you're choosing to stay with her you shouldn't complain about HER vaporizer or her food.

TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/4/14 12:26 P

Why does it matter how old I am? What kind of a question is that? I am in the process of moving from Seattle to Denver and came back here in between to renovate my Mom's house plus spend some time with the rest of my family, since they live around here and none live in Denver.

GUDDIGO Posts: 1,081
2/4/14 11:32 A

Good information

XHUNTERX Posts: 974
2/4/14 11:22 A

how old are you? maybe it's time to move out.........

TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/4/14 9:15 A

She made it today WITHOUT sugar, and I could tell. To me, it tasted better! It tasted like eggs, and vegetables, like it seemed like the sugar was actually covering up some of the natural flavor of food.

I have read McDonald's does things like that, like they even put sugar in things they market as healthy such as the salads.

Even though it caused conflict, I am glad I asked for her not to put the sugar in it. Many times a reason people don't progress on their diets is they want to avoid conflict and appease other people instead of speaking out to make a change.

MISSRUTH Posts: 4,267
2/4/14 8:33 A

I cook. A lot. And in your mom's defense.... cooking doesn't necessarily involve measuring out every single ingredient, unless you're following a specific recipe and want to get the ingredients "right". Ever watched Rachel Ray on tv? She doesn't measure the oil, it's one or two turns around the pan. Salt? She pinches up some, from a bowl, and sprinkles it on. And then she says, that's about a tablespoon, or half a teaspoon or whatever. But she didn't measure it.

OR unless you're counting the calories or watching the sodium or sugar.... whoever's cooking may not routinely measure every single ingredient. I don't usually measure the italian seasoning I add when I'm making spaghetti sauce.... I pour it in my hand til it looks right. 2 tablespoons? 3 tablespoons? idk. (cups hand) It's THIS much. I don't eat eggs, but when I make scrambled eggs for DH, I do not measure the milk. I splash some in the bowl.... does it look right? I'd have to say that I measure out a whole lot more stuff than I used to, since I've been on Spark. Especially oil, sugar, salt. But no, I still do not measure every. single. thing. Black pepper for example. Never measure it unless I'm trying a new recipe.

So your mom is probably making eggs the same way she's made eggs for years and years, going by how it looks in the bowl or how much sugar she can pinch up between her fingers or how much salt is in 2 good shakes.

So..... what to do? A "pinch" is theoretically equal to 1/16 tsp. in cooking. (yes, they've assigned a value to a "pinch" and there is also a value for a "dash".) You *could* use 1/8 tsp, assuming you think your mom's pinch is more generous, and track your eggs with that. You could ask her to make your eggs without sugar, you could ask for your eggs over easy (nothing added), you could cook for yourself. It may be a matter of choosing which option you think would create the least drama over what/ how much you eat.

JANIEWWJD SparkPoints: (564,684)
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2/3/14 11:52 P

It's amazing how much sugar is in the food we eat daily!!!!

TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/3/14 7:31 P

She has suggested, in a grouchy way, "If you don't like the way I do it, then YOU do it yourself." It's sort of become a tradition that she cooks it, so she infers it in a bad way. I have done it before and then she acts hurt that she didn't do it, and gets all passive aggressive about things. It's not a matter of her HAVING to cook it, I prefer cooking my own foods, and normally do.

LOUNMOUN Posts: 1,334
2/3/14 4:41 P

I would prepare your own food if you want to track amounts of ingredients and not worry about it if you choose to eat what someone else makes you.

I do think just a small amount of sugar in something like scrambled eggs would make them taste noticeably sweeter, particularly if you don't eat a lot of sugary foods. I don't put sugar in scrambled eggs usually so I would notice.

If you don't trust your mother to respect your dietary wishes/needs then you need to be the one cooking for both of you or each make your food separately.

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2/3/14 4:28 P


As others have noted, when a person weens sugar or salt out of their diet, they will notice it. I'm that way with salt. Sugar ? When I was a kid, I used to dump sugar on top of my raisin bran. didn't we all ? Well, not long ago, when I had a bowl of raisin bran, I couldn't believe how sweet it was. I couldn't eat it.

Anyway, I was curious as to why your mother uses sugar in her scrambled eggs. And while it may seem odd, I did find a recipe that did use sugar on epicurious. They are my go to recipe website. doing another search, I found more recipes for eggs/sugar. So, your mother may not be trying to fatten you up. That just may be the way she learned how to cook.

SHKIRK Posts: 1,168
2/3/14 3:52 P

My mother use to add sugar to vegetables. I think people just cook in different ways and if you want it your way you need to cook it.

ANARIE Posts: 13,184
2/3/14 3:40 P

Yes, the simple answer is to cook your own breakfast (and maybe hers, too, if you're living in her home.)

Although I have to say that, while I might be offended if someone complained about how I made something when I cooked for them... Sugar in scrambled eggs?!? That's just weird.

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2/3/14 2:26 P

I do think you can taste added sugar (or salt) in foods when you've moved away from anything that's not 'natural'.

maybe your mom is just cooking to suit HER taste, and it's not an attempt to sabotage your efforts? There were probably some things that were tough for you to give up in your journey. The flavor your mom is accustomed to might be something that's tough for her to change after all these years.

When DH cooks, he uses way too much salt for my taste. I usually don't eat what he cooks because it just doesn't taste good to me.

I have a friend that I battle re:sugar when we spend time together. If we are making a fruit salad, she wants to add sugar. NO! The fruit is plenty sweet enough. If you want sugar, add it to your serving...not the entire bowl.
She fixes oatmeal and adds brown sugar when she cooks it. I'll add fresh fruit or stir in some Greek yogurt to sweeten plain oatmeal, so what she's eating is too sweet for me.

ETHELMERZ Posts: 19,688
2/3/14 2:26 P

Back when I was young and still living at home, I learned to fix my own food, period, so I didn't have to worry about what my mother put in any of those days, it was too much fat, not sugar.. Get up early and fix your own breakfast, my mother didn't mind, I fixed all my meals for myself after that, except for those times when I suddenly was not dieting for awhile.

TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/3/14 2:10 P

I wouldn't even care if it was in there to be honest, if she would just let me know exactly how much she puts in. I can't track what I don't know.

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2/3/14 1:45 P

I'm upset that they put sugar in pasta sauce.

GIPPER1961 Posts: 765
2/3/14 12:59 P

I think it really depends on the food. Some people may add just a pinch of sugar to canned tomatoes to offset occasional bitterness. Other times it really can stand out.

I support your wariness about sugar, in my opinion the real culprit in our obesity society

TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/3/14 11:06 A

It just feels like she is trying to sabotage me because she doesn't agree with my weight loss. I'm in a healthy range and my target is in a healthy range but for whatever reason she thinks I'm too thin.

I asked her not to put so much water in a vaporizer she uses to humidify the air, because it's loud and spits out too much water when she does. Well she kept doing it and it dumped a bunch of water on my $50 weight/bodyfat scale, which as a result is broken beyond repair. So this all adds insult to injury.

2/3/14 10:45 A

When you're not used to eating sugar you can taste even just a little bit in food or a drink.

My mom always adds sugar to cut strawberries. IMO in season strawberries are plenty sweet on their own, they don't need sugar. The sugar also changes the texture of fresh strawberries from somewhat crisp to mushy. I have asked her why she does this and it's basically because she always does it. Last summer we just didn't bother eating any.

Oh did I mention, my dad's a diabetic as well :(

I glad your mom agreed to stop adding it to your food. That's progress.

WALIDGAZALA Posts: 8,106
2/3/14 8:14 A

Dear Tri-Babe
I think you can taste sugar in small quantities and you can try that in drinks, like a cup of tea without sugar and then you add.
As for your mother I think this is a problem and my suggestion is one of two
Either you start doing your breakfast or convince her to change it to something else
Tell you make it both

Edited by: WALIDGAZALA at: 2/3/2014 (08:15)
TRI_BABE Posts: 2,968
2/3/14 7:50 A

My Mom likes to cook breakfast, but I noticed that the food tasted "sweeter" and asked her, is there sugar in this? Since she knows I track food.

She admitted that she adds sugar to it. I asked her how much, and she said like half teaspoon or just a pinch, she said she doesn't measure it.

My question is, if it truly is just a pinch would someone be able to notice it like I do? I wonder if there is more but she is not telling me - though I am at a healthy weight she doesn't like that I am losing weight. She gets angry if I further question her about it. It's like scrambled eggs with a side of stir fried vegetables - don't really need sugar in there to begin with.

Edited to add: I just asked her if she could just not add sugar when making my food. She said, "O-KAY" but in a very angry way now. I also wouldn't be surprised if she continued to do it without telling me (she has done such in the past).

Not sure what to do about it, if anything.

Edited by: TRI_BABE at: 2/3/2014 (07:57)
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