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NHOYLE1 Posts: 351
8/16/12 8:05 A

I have a bar and a decent selection of weights, it is just the squat rack that I am lacking. I will keep looking for it (it actually looks like I may have found a gym to work with).

GRACEFULIFE Posts: 1,705
8/9/12 9:35 A

Depends what you mean by "good". There will be no other optimal strength program that does not have you do squats, though. It will also have you using a bar for other exercises, like the press, bench press, and deadlift. So get access to a squat rack; troll craigslist or find a decent gym.

If a workout does not use a bar, then it won't build as much strength (or build strength as quickly). That doesn't mean it won't be advantageous depending on what your fitness goals are. And it doesn't mean it won't build other aspects of fitness. Just that it won't build strength as optimally. Even a program like NROL4W, which BTW requires a barbell and squats, won't build strength as well as SS.

There is a contingent that believes that machines are as good as barbells for general fitness purposes (and arguably a bit safer). You could read about this in a book called "Body By Science" for example. But you will still have to go to a gym. In fact they lean heavily on Nautilus equipment I think, which may not be as easy to find as it used to be.

There's a large contingent of body weight exercise types around online. Programs with it should be relatively easy to find and will probably do most of what you want anyway.

You can get away without a full power cage if you have some good hooks you can rack the bar to at an appropriate height (which could possibly be successfully DIY), AND you have a setup that makes you feel comfortable enough to dump the bar on the floor if you need to (think olympic weightlifters for example). A couple sheets of plywood and a horse stall mat would be the minimum I'd want to drop a regular bar and plates onto from any height--and even that would not be optimal.

Edited by: GRACEFULIFE at: 8/9/2012 (09:40)
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8/8/12 10:51 A

I do not. Others might.

NHOYLE1 Posts: 351
8/8/12 10:31 A

Hmm, I guess that is out for now then. I can't afford that kind of financial bomb. Any suggestions for other good strength programs?

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8/6/12 5:58 P

Definitely! I use a power rack. Would not do it without.

Something like this:

www.amazon.com/Powerline-PPR200X-PowerLine
-Power-Rack/dp/B000VLRVSC


Although I picked mine up used on the cheap off of craigslist.

NHOYLE1 Posts: 351
8/6/12 5:18 P

Bill, since you have done it, did you have access to a squat rack for the squats? I have a bench for the bench press, but I am concerned that since I do not have a spotter or a rack that squats could get me into a bit of trouble.

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8/6/12 3:32 P

Been there. Was there for far too long.

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8/6/12 3:29 P

yep, I put it on my Amazon wish list, then they magically show up wrapped on xmas morning ;)

thanks again! I need to learn about strength (totally ignorant about it)

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8/6/12 9:47 A

Ya, that's another good one. The progression on that program seems targeted a bit more for intermediate lifters. I'm looking into it myself, already bought the book.

FATBASTICH Posts: 782
8/6/12 9:43 A

Just to play devil's advocate, Jim Wendler's 5/3/1 is also an excellent program. You can find it at www.elitefts.com.

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8/6/12 9:21 A

Buy the books if you decide to get serious. They are Starting Strength and Practical Programming for Strength Training.

www.amazon.com/Practical-Programming-Stren
gth-Training-Rippetoe/dp/0976805413


www.amazon.com/Starting-Strength-3rd-Mark-
Rippetoe/dp/0982522738/ref=sr_1_1?s=bo
oks&ie=UTF8&qid=1344259229&sr=1-1&keyw
ords=starting+strength


But the wiki articles are enough to get started.

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8/6/12 9:11 A

Had no idea about this resource. Will check it out. Thanks.

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8/6/12 7:12 A

Highly recommended. It's the only program where I've continued to progress. Every other program I've tried, I always stall out after a couple of months, get frustrated, start over. I've been on it for 9 months (with some time off here and there) and have increased lifts quite a bit. My benchpress is the weakest lift. Has been all my life, but I can finally bench more than my bodyweight (for the first time in my life, currently 175). I'll be putting 240 on the bar this week for squats and 360 on for deadlifts. I cleared a 1RM of 405 on the deads last week. Still moving up! Loving it.

Let me know if you have any questions.

NHOYLE1 Posts: 351
8/5/12 10:05 A

Has anyone here tried the Starting Strength workout for their weight training? The guys and gals at reddit.com/r/fitness seem to love it, but there also seems to be a bit of a groupthink effect going on there, so I wanted to get another opinion.
startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_S
trength_Wiki


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