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KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
12/17/12 3:27 P

The public schools here in my area say the pledge which has "God" in it, has the Ten Commandments posted in the memorial yards and we have once a week Bible Study, I don't know of any public school that rejects the Word of our Lord.

This event needs to be prevented from happening again, that's for sure.


TURTLESDOVE Posts: 1,061
12/17/12 2:11 P

my mailman said this morning that someone had asked God why did he allow this monster to come in that classroom, and God answered back, "I wasn't allowed in!"
My heart is hurting so bad for these parents. I can't even begin to imagine what they must be going through. I just want everyone here to know that I may not know you personally, but I love you all. God Bless you, Amy

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12/17/12 2:00 P

I heard an interesting phrase used on the news this weekend: "We live in a culture of violence." I believe that is true. Our children have very few examples of what to do with conflict other than be violent.

DIDS70 Posts: 5,070
12/17/12 1:50 P

Like everyone else I am heartbroken that 27 people had to lose their lives at the hand of this monster. I am not sure that we will ever know why unless somewhere he left some kind of note or other form of motive. I don't know if he had autism, i have never heard of anyone with any form of autism become violent, but i do believe he was not right in the head and something must have broken in him to go directly to an elementary school with beautiful little angels in there.
My heart goes out to the parents. I can't have children of my own, but I do understand loss. I lost my mother at a very young age unexpectedly (14). Not that losing a Mom to natural causes is in anyway like losing children, siblings, spouses, and friends to a madmen, but I do understand loss. The thing about Loss is that you never get over it. It is always there in your heart, around holidays, in the room like a big elephant. You will never see these kids grow up, graduate, get married and have babies. it totally sickens me.
The road for these families is going to be long and painful. My prayers are that they get through the coming holiday with at least one smile.

my heart goes out to the town.

My heart goes out to our nation.

i proudly wear the colors of Green and white today as I honor the victims in this small town.

May God be with them all in whatever way they need.
I've heard many times the question of where was God-- Why wasn't He there. He was. God was there. he was in hearts of the principal and school psychologist as they tried to stop the shooter. He was in the hearts of the teachers as they hid the children or kept them calm. he was in the hearts of the first responders. Yes, it is sad he couldn't save the 27 that died, but He did save over 500 others.

Healing will begin. I just know that it will be a long arduous road.

I_HEART_MY_FAM Posts: 1,809
12/17/12 1:26 P

I am saddened to know there was another irresponsible gun owner. The mom may she rest in peace and did not deserve to die had made the awful mistake of having guns accessible to her son that clearly had mental problems. I know people don't think their loved ones could do such a thing but we as people need to better handle our guns or we are gonna lose our right to bear arms. With mentally disturbed people in home guns have no place. A solid heavy duty safe MAY do the trick but some wood and glass gun case won't stop the angered and disturbed. I have no clue how he got a hold of her guns but he did and that is a big fail on the mom.

FITGLAMGIRL Posts: 2,036
12/16/12 2:44 P

What beautiful children all of these kids were and their lives cut so short by a stranger. I struggle with access to guns. Now we don't own a gun, but we do have a safe that in order to get into it you need a key and a combination. I am thinking if you own guns you really need to be a responsible gun owner. Now we don't know how he gained access to his mother's guns, but if they were under some kind of lock and key with a combination he may never been able to get to them.

Also, I read that his mother had the guns for her protection from her son. Not sure how true that is, but he sounds like an individual that really had issues and was he being treated for them? Also, if the mother felt he was such a threat maybe he really needed to institutionalized. Just saying!

It is such a tragic loss to beautiful lives that shouldn't have never happened. It is just another reminder to me how precious each day is that we have on this earth.

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12/16/12 11:55 A

My heart is still sad by the senseless act that took place. I found myself wiping tears from my eyes this morning; while I was buying clothes for our Sponsored family from work this morning. Praying for the family and the community for all the resent tragedy's that has taken place over the last several weeks.

DUBLINROSE Posts: 2,058
12/16/12 11:46 A

I'm an atheist. I know other people matter. I don't need to belive in God to be a good person.

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12/16/12 11:39 A

For so many years there was much emphasis about kids self-esteem for basically doing nothing... giving out prizes just for participating / breathing, and no-losers-or-winners sports, rather than doing good and achieving goals. What did this teach children? Sadly, so many have a sense of entitlement that just doesn't cut it in the real world.
They grow into disappointed adults when they see that the boss doesn't give you a prize just for showing up; you've got to produce & do it well to keep your job (if you're lucky & the economy doesn't suck), let alone advance.

I think part of the consequence of the above shows in today's "look-at-me" world of social media. It seems like so many are desperate for any attention. Sadly, acts so despicable as this pretty much guarantee that attention. And I agree that the lessening of God in society seems to have increased that need to 'matter.' Generally, people centered on God already know they (and everyone else) matter! This is a generality - obviously, nut jobs can lurk just about anywhere.

While the above may not have had so much direct affect on this particular perpetrator (he had known mental issues from an early age), it's certainly something to think about.

I pray the victims & loved ones can feel God's presence and His love to help guide them though these dark days.
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SPANKIE3 Posts: 12,661
12/16/12 10:24 A

emoticon My heart goes out to all the victims families. I can't imagine what their going through losing a baby so young for absolutely no reason what so ever. I have a young child my self and couldn't imagine losing her that young. May they all rest in peace!

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12/16/12 8:31 A

Praying for the people in Connecticut. So very sad. I agree that the media is out of control.

KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
12/16/12 7:04 A

All of us are truely saddened by this tragic event, the question now is thia; can anything be done that would be effective in curbing this from happening again?

These are some of my own ideas and certainly are NOT the answers that'll prevail but these are just my opinions:
~The shooter's name should never be released, ever.
~Surviving victims need to be "off limits" to the media.
~Mental health awareness ought to be made more available for all. I have heard and read that the "obvious" suspects are usually never the ones who do this; it's the quiet and introverted ones that appear normal.
~The Second Amendment should NEVER be a topic of discussion in these matters (btw, I do not own a gun but would fight tooth & nail to keep the amendment intact)
~The NRA ought to be more support of the idea of being even MORE discriminant of who can obtain a gun. The NRA does support the guns laws currently in place but could totally do more in the way of supportting stalizing gun control.

I have seen so much mis-information on FaceBook the last two days it's disgusting to me. I saw a posting of someone who blames Liberals (directly) for this shooting because President Obama won the election, I saw another that said since Liberals are Godless that that's why this happened in a school, yet another post I saw said that he knows that the Feds will be going door to door in the next few weeks disarming rural citizens of their hunting guns.

I agree with this notion; Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people. That said if that killer wouldn't have had a gun in his possession then he may not have killed as many. Also, if he was mentally disturbed why wasn't he being taken care of?

Let's addess the media's participation first (it's the easist to take care of right away), then start addressing mental health issues then after that if there's a need to talk about gun laws then let's do that, too.

I don't have the answers but I am as frustrated as many of you as to why can't something be done to prevent this from happening again, all those little children.....God, it's breaking my heart.
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12/16/12 2:27 A

Prayers to all those affected, and I want to add this quote:

"When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." To this day, especially in times of "disaster," I remember my mother's words and I am always comforted by realizing that there are still so many helpers so many caring people in this world." - Mr. Fred Rogers



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12/15/12 11:11 P

Prayers to those ,affected by all this.Major Boo to the Media that turns it in to a Circus.Leave those poor people alone, Shame on the US Congress and Senate in waiting so long to due anything so in fear of the NRA.Nothing Changes,Nothing Changes,Sadly will happen again soon. emoticon

I_HEART_MY_FAM Posts: 1,809
12/15/12 12:17 P

I so agree with the name thing. Give them monsters random names so their name never gets put of there. Don't show faces either. Their name gets everywhere from news, to history books, and some in movies. They are sick people who just stick to themselves too long then get angry and lonely then they don't want to die without some recognition. Sicko! I don't think they are sick enough to know right from wrong, I think they are just sick enough to think that sounds good.They want to take out kids because they know that devastates us the most to see innocent little life's taken. They are selfish, and they waller in their own thoughts in which they program themselves to be monsters but still have control but chose to not use control. They are ones who decline friends, family, everyone, all love, then they get angry, they give up, and they end up doing the unthinkable.They have nothing to lose because the life they chose eventually makes makes them angry and now they must make others angry to be remembered. I don't feel sorry for these people but I do feel for then because they did not know that at first being by themselves is okay then it takes it's toll. Other people did not cast them aside, they removed themselves ,and no human will remian human without others human love, interaction etc. They still can have some family they communicate with, like for him maybe his mother and brother, but it is usually in their favor they want something from them like money or food then back to their dungeon in self loathe where they play those same thoughts in their head over and over and over, like a scratched record that can't get to the next verse and a weak lazy person who does not want to change the record because they become dependant on their bad thoughts and it will take energy to change them. BAD THINGS LURK IN THE DARK!

SUNSHINE99999 Posts: 7,155
12/15/12 11:52 A

I'm praying God will be close to all those families and their loved ones.

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12/15/12 11:51 A

Having children and grandchildren, I can't even comprehend the magnitude of this horrific tragedy. My thoughts and prayers are with the Newtown, Connecticut victims, children, families, staff and community of the Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy.

AUTUMNGLORY7 Posts: 847
12/15/12 11:22 A

Too sad, too tragic and upsetting. Praying for the families.

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YOJULEZ SparkPoints: (15,605)
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12/15/12 11:18 A

In this case, banning assault weapons wouldn't have helped. He shot everyone with two handguns. He had an assault rifle though, but it was in the trunk of the car, unused.

It's just all so sad. A friend of mine's little cousin was one of the victims. I also really feel bad for the shooters older brother since the media originally called him the shooter. He hadn't even talked to his brother in 2 years.

I think another thing that would help is if the media didn't turn these shooters into celebrities. They shouldn't even report their names, post their pictures, nothing. Most of these shooters have similar profiles.... usually really smart but reclusive. They see the news when other shootings happen and they're like "wow, everyone knows who that guy is, I want them to know who I am". If the media quit turning these guys into well-known people, I think that would help a lot.

LAMARY9 Posts: 1,675
12/15/12 10:52 A

Today I am sad for the families in Newtown. They are our family, our children. We are all God's family and will pray and cling together for healing and for strength.

BANKER-CHUCK Posts: 5,635
12/15/12 10:43 A

My heart goes out to the families. Here in Portland Oregon there was a shooting in the Clackamas Town Center Mall. Many shots fired with 2 dead. Such tragedies so close together.

MWOODS21 Posts: 505
12/15/12 10:37 A

I have two children in elementary ages 6 and 11, I can't even begin to try and comprehend the tremendous pain the parents and grandparents and siblings feel right now.
I can't watch the news my heart breaks for them all!!! They were our children too, and why is the media interviewing the children?
I guess its not for me to understand, but to pray for all those who have lost their lives and the those of the families that their lives will be forever changed!! emoticon emoticon

Gone To Soon!!

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12/15/12 10:19 A

I totally agree with you it is so sad our children are not even safe to go to school

PITUFA2471 Posts: 568
12/15/12 10:17 A

It is sad and terrible the situation in CT. May God grant serenity, peace and strength for family and friends to overcome this tragedy.

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12/15/12 10:05 A

Why does a person need an assault rifle anyway? You wouldn't go deer hunting with it.

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12/15/12 8:14 A

We, in Canada, have very strict gun rules in Canada....only hunting weapons, no personal firearms unless you are in the enforcement area yet we still have random shootings here and there which goes to show that whether or not you have gun control, people who want to do harm to others with guns will find a way to get guns. Yes it is a viscious circle for the US -- is it the gun owners or the guns themselves. My opinion, and this is only my opinion, is that the rules need to be much tighter on how potential gun owners are vetted. The crux of the problem is how to accomplish that without violating the persons constitutional rights.....Any thoughts? Opinions?

Horrible tragedy which has devestated the lives of those families which they will never heal from.....my prayers go out to them

DUBLINROSE Posts: 2,058
12/15/12 8:02 A

So sad, I can't imagine what the parents of those kids must be going through.

Do any of the Americans here think this will mean stricter gun control now? Living in a country where guns are banned its hard to imagine a situation where guns are so easy to get or why anyone would want to keep them in the first place.

RIP all the victims

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12/15/12 7:42 A

Incomprehensible! It's innocent children!

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12/15/12 7:28 A

So sad and tragic. One of my grandsons is afraid to go back to school on Monday. I imagine that is tue for so many right now. There have been way too many senseless murdered recently. These families directly and indirectly affected by this are in my prayers.

128PERFECT Posts: 3,026
12/15/12 7:12 A

There are no words......So sad

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12/14/12 5:35 P

I just read that his brother said he had a history of mental health issues.

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12/14/12 5:35 P

Was he mental? It was not the gun but the person who wanted to hurt people. Why kill more than just his mother? Just wanting to kill her is horrid on its own.

FITGLAMGIRL Posts: 2,036
12/14/12 5:13 P

What is happening to America? First, it's the mall shooting this week in my own neighborhood now this tragic shooting at a school. I have 2 kids in elementary school and I am just sick to my stomach thinking about this horrific tragedy. Tears!

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12/14/12 4:30 P

Sad. So many lives lost. So many left whose lives will never be the same.

DIETER27 Posts: 6,397
12/14/12 4:21 P

my heart goes out to those families. this is such a sad and horrible tragedy. Prayers go out to the families.

TACDGB Posts: 6,132
12/14/12 4:10 P

How sad............ emoticon No one should have to go through this. Gunmen who do this are sick people. I do know that it makes God sad too......what a sad day. I am reminded that yes Satan is alive and well........but he gets his in the end.........Amen for that...and prayers go out to the families.

DIDS70 Posts: 5,070
12/14/12 3:44 P

I couldn't even imagine being one of the parents of the children killed. How it must have felt to be told that your 4 or 5 year old would not be home tonight. The pain these parents are feeling.

I don't blame the NRA or gun control. You don't hold it against the car when a drunk driver kills someone, why blame it on the gun.

What these families need right now is prayers and love and understanding. Kudos to the teacher who pulled the 8 year old into her classroom.

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12/14/12 3:30 P

Oye I had a big long response typed up about this then the internet crapped out on me. The shooter was the son of a kindergarten teacher, and most of the casualties were in her classroom, and they are holding his younger brother in custody.

Anyway, the gist of this is, most of these shooters are mentally ill. I read something the other day about how psychopath evil people like serial killers are usually males in their late 30s-40s, and they spend a lot of time time planning what they're going to do, and do not feel remorse at all for what they've done. But these mass shooters are usually males in their early-mid 20s and suffer from mental issues (ie if they had proper treatment they would be productive members of society), and the attacks are usually somewhat "spur of the moment"... they basically just SNAP. They might plan it for a week or two but overall it's not really pre-meditated. That's also why they often shoot themselves after they do it... almost like they didn't really realize they would actually do it and all of a sudden feel remorse for it.

There is still a huge stigma against people who need mental treatment. I know for a time I was taking Zoloft, and I was ashamed to tell anybody about it. Insurance companies often do not cover the treatment people need, not to mention people who have no insurance. My brother suffers from OCD and severe depression, and while he was out of work with no insurance, he could not get treatment for it as he couldn't afford it. This made it much harder for him to get a job. It's a vicious cycle.

This article, while old, is great at explaining how policy changes in the 70s and 80s caused a lot of mentally ill people to be released and out walking amongst us www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-rel
ease-of-mental-patients-began.html?pag
ewanted=all
Not that it's an excuse whatsoever, but the system has failed these people and in turn has failed EVERYONE since the victims are innocent.

Edited by: YOJULEZ at: 12/14/2012 (15:33)
MEWHENRYSMAMA Posts: 6,533
12/14/12 2:50 P

Just so heartbreaking and sad!
My thoughts and prayers go out to the families! I can only imagine such awful pain!
There are very sick people in the world! This was a teacher's son!
I do feel so sad and just want to cry!
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TURTLESDOVE Posts: 1,061
12/14/12 2:42 P

first of all, I don't care who gets offended by this, but this is what happens when we take God out of everything. I don't care if you think I'm making a religious thing out of this, so go ahead and post your comments. Satan is having a field day right now. I am so saddened and I pray for all of the parents of the kids whose lives were lost. The children are with God now.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 13,718
12/14/12 2:35 P

This is so very sad. My thoughts and prayers are with the families

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12/14/12 2:27 P

Horrible doesn't even begin to describe such a tragedy. I read one report that said that one of the shooters was the 24 year old son of one of the teachers. Also read a report they had a person of interest in custody. they're saying there were two shooters. one committed suicide.

Last week, I read an article that said a man in China injured 22 students with a knife. Last year, Anders Breivik killed 73 teenagers in Norway. During the summer, James Holmes, murdered 12 and injured 58 others just because they went to a midnight showing of Batman.

Who does these things ?


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RIET69 SparkPoints: (47,087)
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12/14/12 2:24 P

Awful and sickening. I suppose the possession of guns had nothing to do with this.

MELLYDIVA Posts: 1,017
12/14/12 2:23 P

So sad. I'm sick to my stomach. Such a horrible tragedy.

CMCOLE Posts: 2,667
12/14/12 2:20 P

How horrible.
Wish the news would just leave the families alone - and for heaven's sake; stop interviewing the children

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12/14/12 2:13 P

So horrible and upsetting! I pray for the families of the victims.

STODD251 Posts: 646
12/14/12 2:08 P

Oh my God! That is horrible. One of my coworkers had mentioned this but I had not seen any reports until I just read this. It is worse than I was even imagining. Please pray for these people and their families.

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12/14/12 2:03 P

I feel physically ill. What kind of monster does this? How sick in the head do you have to be to kill babies? My heart goes out to those families.

GLITTERFAIRY77 Posts: 8,023
12/14/12 1:58 P

What I don't get is...what the HELLLLL would prompt someone to open fire on CHILDREN? Those kids were MY kids' ages! WHY???? I hope the perpetrators names are NEVER revealed so that they do not have their names recognized. Infamy is still a form of fame, and the gunmen do not deserve that.

KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
12/14/12 1:49 P

www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/14/police-respo
nd-to-shooting-at-connecticut-elementa
ry-school/


Horrible news!

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