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DIETITIANBECKY Posts: 26,660
11/16/12 10:00 A

Botanically speaking they are the seed of a grass. Thank you for sharing.

Within the nutrition and culinary world, they are placed in the grain food grouping and primarily used as a grain serving within meal preparation.

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11/16/12 9:29 A

Technically speaking the term "grains" applies only to the "fruits" of grasses. Quinoa and Amaranth are relatives of pigweed, so referring to them as grains is incorrect and makes it confusing - they are seeds.

DIETITIANBECKY Posts: 26,660
11/16/12 8:17 A

I too would like the research linking the consumption of all grains to disease states. While some people may need to eliminate a type grain from their diet due to an allergy or response (wheat allergy or celiac disease for example); other healthy grains would still fit into the diet, and provide key nutrients and fiber. For example: brown rice, quinoa, amaranth, etc

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11/16/12 6:01 A

I second the idea that portion control will solve the excess fat problem for most people and there is no need to declare some food groups 'evil'...

NAUSIKAA Posts: 4,848
11/16/12 5:46 A

The "grains are bad" thing may apply to some people but surely doesn't apply to all of us, nor should it be put out as a general axiom that we should not eat grains in order to lose weight. Plenty of people have lost enormous amounts of weight while eating grains. I personally lost 100 lbs while eating pasta at least 4x/week, bread every day, and so on. I eat bulgur, oats, pasta, rice, quinoa, cornmeal (is that a grain?), couscous, wheat flour, etc. None of this hindered my weight loss, or if it did, I was satisfied enough with the 100 lb loss not to notice it -- and there is absolutely NOTHING special about me whatsoever.

Grains are an affordable source of carbohydrate, fiber, and some protein. They have been so since ancient times. Not everybody is gluten intolerant, celiac, etc. Some of us are just regular people who eat normal food and lose weight when we watch our portions....

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11/15/12 6:57 P

Michelle, would you be able to link to some of that research? I'd be interested in reading it.

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11/15/12 6:52 P

[Actually, there's a great deal of research out linking grain in the diet to illness and obesity. I find data regarding pre and post- agricultural revolution especially important for people to educate themselves on if unsure about grains.]

I rescind my above statements as I lack the time, energy, or inclination to look up and post the buried research to support what I believe to be true. Perhaps the grain-supporters are more correct than I; I think that's for each individual to decide and wish everyone the best of health and life. God bless.

That said, I found this interesting and happen to agree with it for the most part:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grain
s-are-unhealthy/#axzz2CVeahU5b

Edited by: MICHELLEXXXX at: 11/17/2012 (14:31)
DIETITIANBECKY Posts: 26,660
11/15/12 6:46 P

To the original poster...
I don't think I have seen the study to analyze the results. Are you able to provide the study, so I can check into it more?

At present time lowfat milk (skim and 1%) is the recommended type of fluid milk to use with a weight loss program for most adults. It also lowers fat content, and is therefore a recommedation for a heart healthy diet.

Just to clarify a few myths in this thread:
1. coconut oil is not on the list of "healthy fats". It should be used in foods where you are liking the flavor or texture it imparts--but it should not be used as your main go-to oil.
2. Whole grains can easily be a part of your weight loss effort. They provide key nutrients and fiber. Moderation in grain intake is still necessary as is moderation with all foods.

Hope this helps--
SP Regiatered Dietitian Becky



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11/15/12 6:22 P

But there's nothing scientific saying that they hinder weight loss either. Advocate all you want, but throwing out blanket statements like that is not correct. Like I said, I and plenty of other people have lost weight just fine without cutting out grains. I don't eat a ton of them or base my diet around them, but I do still eat them and from what I can tell, I have suffered no bad consequences from it. Everyone's body chemistry is different, what works for you may not work for someone else, just like what works for me may not work for someone else. Any kind of blanket generalization, whether it be "cutting out grains makes you lose weight" or "Milk causes cancer" or "Low-fat is the only way you can lose weight" are all false.

Again, it's great that you were able to lose weight by cutting out grains (although I wonder how much of that was because by cutting out grains, your calorie intake also went down), but that's not the end-all diet secret for everyone.

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11/15/12 6:06 P

YOJULEZ, I don't believe there's anything confusing about advocating not eating grains. There's no scientific evidence to support the notion that we need to have grains in our diet. Since I have stopped eating wheat on a regular basis about 1 month ago, I lost 6 pounds effortlessly - no calorie counting or diet tracking required. Grains are one of the least healthy foods - ever wonder why they are always fortified?

Edited by: GDBEAR65 at: 11/15/2012 (18:07)
DIDS70 Posts: 5,070
11/15/12 5:52 P

Fat burns fat. That is what I believe. Now of course, I mean the healthy fats found in things like coconut oil, avocados, nuts, etc.
I don't do low fat or no fat anything because man ruins it. Flavor has to be added somehow and it is usually done through unhealthy things.

If you like skim or 1% milk, stay with it. (personally i hate dairy and don't consume it. my personal choice) Get your healthy fats elsewhere.


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11/15/12 5:35 P

GDBEAR, you should say that that's your personal opinion and what worked for you. I lost all my weight while still eating grains. Putting out statements like that is why people get so confused about what to eat.

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11/15/12 5:27 P

getting rid of the cereal and other grain products will help you lose weight - try having a fruit salad with cottage cheese for breakfast rather than cereal.

BLUFENIX Posts: 29
11/15/12 4:57 P


I guarantee in a month we'll see a news post stating "whole milk causes cancer" blah blah blah..

Its all about moderation..I don't think this can be emphasized enough.

The only thing that I've changed in what I eat so far is consuming less of the food than what I was previously, and guess what..I've lost weight by doing so.

If you enjoy whole milk, then use it...I personally use 2% because I really only use it to wet my cereal.

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11/15/12 4:40 P

Here's the thing. No one kind of food "helps you lose weight". Sure, there's foods that make us feel fuller and provide good nutrients, but in the end, the best way to lose weight is to eat a well-rounded diet that provides good nutrition while remaining within a specific calorie range that is less than what you burn either through living or exercise, or both. If whole milk fits into that description and you like it, then drink it. If drinking whole milk causes you to go over your calorie counts then stick with your skim or 1%.

Edited by: YOJULEZ at: 11/15/2012 (16:42)
SILVERMOONFAIRY Posts: 259
11/15/12 4:17 P

I think this may be one of those times where the nutritional 'advice'/study should be disregarded and you should go with what you like, healthily. Because unfortunately, what we "know" about foods changes CONSTANTLY, as science realizes that food is incredibly complex.
(Like "eggs are good! wait, eggs are bad.. egg WHITES are good! eat those! but the yolks have important stuff, too...")

My general belief is, if you aren't under advice from a doctor that suggests something else or have other health reasons, go with the full fat varieties of everything, but enjoy smartly. Reduced fat or skimmed versions of things usually means humans have messed with them more, and I'm always a little wary of that. I drink small amounts of whole milk (the only kind to use when I'm treating myself to hot chocolate now and then!) and eat small amounts of full-fat creamy cheeses. One the rare ocassions when I have a bagel, I used whole fat cream cheese, or real butter on my toast on weekend mornings.

If you like the taste of whole milk, go for it. If you don't, stick with the 2%. Keep both in reasonable amounts.

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11/15/12 3:56 P

The readings may be referring to CLA content.

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11/15/12 3:30 P

Probably it is because some fat in the diet helps increase the satiety. But I doubt that it has to be saturated fat. Go walnuts instead. They are a great source of omega-3s and omega-6s. I would keep at the skim milk. Saturated fat gets easily produced and stored in the body, there is no need to take in more of it from the foods that we eat.

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11/15/12 3:03 P

I current use skim or 1% milk in my coffee and cereal, but now I read about the Whole Milk can help me lose weight faster! How since it has more fat and calories? Just wondering if I should switch back.

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