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-CORAL- SparkPoints: (37,461)
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5/29/13 5:11 P

On WW, 110 to 130 cals is roughly 3 points. Excluding fruit and veggies because they are free. So if you got 26 points a day on weight watchers, that is about 1000 to 1100 calories, and then since you get fruit and veggies free, you are supposed to eat them on WW to round out your calories to the 1200 to 1500 range. They don't explicity say this, but they do expect it. And then you also get the 49 free a week which allows for treats and whatnot. It really is basically the same concept as sparkpeople but you can get away without eating freggies on SP and still be in your calorie range whereas on weight watchers if you don't eat any fruit and veggie, you will probably be really hungry because the calories will be pretty low. That's why fruit and veggie is Free on WW.

NIRERIN Posts: 12,027
5/29/13 7:42 A

if you like having bigger snacks, then have smaller meals. in other words, if your favorite snacks are 200 cals, but 200 cals out of those 3 main meals [100 from dinner and 50 each from breakfast and lunch].
or you could scale down the portions of your snack just enough to cut out 50 cals so you're looking at 2 150 cal snacks. which means that of your three meals, you'd need to cut 100 cals total, or 33 cals per meal out to accommodate the larger snacks.
or you could split your snack in two and be closer to those guidelines.
the thing is that there isn't one right way to break up your calories. some people like big meals, and dividing their calories between three meals somewhat equally works for them, no snacks required. other people like to snack more, so eating more meals, but smaller sized works for them. if you want more [or larger] snacks, the trade off is having smaller meals.

CMCOLE Posts: 2,667
5/29/13 6:27 A

when I stopped subscribing to WW online, and started tracking here, I still often got out the points calculator and checked how many per day.

However - as I was taking the whole day (allowing for 26 points), I was often over - BECAUSE I was not leaving the fruits/vegs at zero.

I didn't want to track each thing individually, and write down/calculate the points, so I just chose instead to stick within my calorie range, counting the healthy fruits and vegs as part of a healthy lifestyle.

It seems to be an EITHER/OR proposal - it's rather difficult to continue to track points when you're not using a system that zeroes out the good fruits and vegs that are necessary for your health (but then you won't over-eat them either, I guess). It's very easy to overdo it on the fruits with WW, I found. I'd much sooner have a big dish of berries or fruit than a cookie - but that doesn't mean I wasn't consuming likely more sugar than I should have.

I'm not sure if that made any sense or was at all helpful.

CORTNEY-LEE SparkPoints: (54,668)
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5/29/13 2:03 A

One thing you can try which helped me was to pick an average day from my WW tracker and log it into Spark (or MFP in your case). That will allow you to see how your points stack up against calories.

What I found was... my points totaled about 1,000 calories or so (give or take) and then when I added in my 0 point selections, I was at about 1300-1400.

I hope this helps! Best of luck my friend!

JEUJEUBEE SparkPoints: (514)
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5/28/13 9:16 P

I'm new to counting calories to, I have figured that on the new ww system that a point is roughly 40 calories, and like you when I see how many calories I have left ,I figure it into points to see about the size of my meal, I know exactly what your saying when you know what a points meal looks like but not sure on a calorie meal, and the new program doesn't count fruit & I do on calories cause 2 banana's in my opinion needs to be counted lol, good luck , hang in there

LEKSIPATSY Posts: 380
5/28/13 7:39 P

I eat approximately 400 calories per meal (b/l/d) with 200 calories for snacks.
I've also done 300 calories per meal with 300 for snacks, but since I've been making my meals more nutritious and higher calorie I haven't needed to snack much :). But if you stick to the 300x4 thing it is easier to not have to track if you are in a rush/jam - even if you go a little over (or have an extra banana) you will be in the range of calories for the day.

CLARK971 SparkPoints: (24,222)
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5/28/13 7:30 P

In order to lose weight, you need a calorie deficit. the weight watchers points you are given and the spark points range both give you a deficit-they just get there different ways.

Like others have said, it is up to you to use the plan that works best for you and what you can stick with long term.

ANARIE Posts: 12,485
5/26/13 3:54 P

It's like cash versus debit card. When you buy your groceries with cash, you know exactly how much you're spending and you have to quit when the money gets low. That might mean you'll choose not to buy some strawberries or asparagus or fresh fish because you feel like you can't afford it. When you use the card, you're more insulated. You have a bigger pool of money to draw from, so you might decide to go a little over budget to get something good.

But what it does to your fiscal health depends on what kind of person you are. If you will definitely make up any budget overrun by saving more the next week, then the card is fine. If you're not always right on top of things, though, you risk running into the old, "How can I be overdrawn? I still have checks left!" syndrome. When you get your statement, it won't be as big as you think it should be. Some people need to see and touch the money to make it real when it goes away.

Food has calories. Like the previous posters have said, a banana contributes energy to your system that must be used or stored. It doesn't matter whether you count it or not; it's there. If you don't want to count calories, don't count them-- but you won't have as tight control over your budget. You will sometimes go over and not realize it, which means you probably won't lose as much weight as you think you should. When you get your weight loss "statement," it won't be as big think it should be. If you're okay with that, go for it. If you're not okay with that, pay your calories in cash.

It is absolutely, 100% your choice. No one here can make the decision for you. But we can't change reality for you, either, and that's what you tend to ask for. You're looking for someone to tell you that you can eat all the healthy food you want AND use your calories for other things that you want more-- but we can't tell you that because it's just not the way the world works.

Edited by: ANARIE at: 5/26/2013 (15:58)
DRAGONCHILDE SparkPoints: (57,401)
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5/26/13 12:42 P

200 calories is a reasonable snack. It will provide you with the nutrition you need to keep your energy up and stave off cravings. Bananas have always been a high-calorie snack (comparatively) for you; just because Weight Watchers didn't count them didn't make them go away. They haven't suddenly changed in nutritional composition.

I would suggest asking on MyFitnessPal; they work differently than we do. We don't make you stick to a single number (1200 calories), we provide you with a range that gives you more flexibility. When you have a 100 calorie snack, you still have 1200-1450 left in your range here. WE also don't make you "eat back" your exercise calories.

DIETITIANBECKY Posts: 26,688
5/26/13 12:42 P

I think WW is a great program and many have had success with the point system---however, with their change to "not counting" fruits and veggies as part of their points system some people are struggling with weight loss success.

At Sparkpeople we agree that including fruits and veggies in one's diet is crucial to weight loss sucess; but we also realize that those fruits and veggies contain calories that need to be factored into one's daily intake for a true account of what is being consumed.

It really comes down to "what works best for you."

Becky
SP Registered Dietitian Nutritionist

FTSOLK Posts: 1,248
5/26/13 12:29 P

Seriously? I know a banana has always had 100 calories.

But when you are on Weight Watchers and you log in a banana into your tracker, you'll go from having say, 25 points left for the day to having... TWENTY FIVE points left for the day. When you log in a banana on MyFitnessPal, you'll go from having 1,200 calories to 1,100 calories. Not a huge difference, but there IS a difference there, and I'm not used to that.

And according to that guideline, my snacks are very high in calories. An apple and cheese or some berries and Greek yogurt come out to almost 200 calories.

GRAMCRACKER46 SparkPoints: (29,138)
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5/25/13 1:58 P

HONEYLISSABEE a banana always was 100 calories.

DIETITIANBECKY Posts: 26,688
5/25/13 1:50 P

You were probably about 1200-1500 calories with WW points.
Here is an example of a way to distribute calories:
300-breakfast
400 lunch
400-500 dinner
2 (100 calorie) snacks

Becky
SP Registered Dietitian Becky

FTSOLK Posts: 1,248
5/25/13 12:55 P

I'm just transitioning from Weight Watchers to MFP and I'm a bit overwhelmed by the whole calorie counting thing. See, I know that a 5-6 point meal is a decent sized, but light meal. I also know that a 20 point meal is a pretty high-point one. I don't, however, know what a high calorie meal is in that respect.

When I go from seeing the number 0 next to a banana to a 100 it makes me not want to eat any bananas- to a point, at least. It just seems like SO many calories- even though I know my mind just has to adjust to a different numbering system.

I do find that I'm more creative with my cooking. I'm using more olive and coconut oil now because they don't seem to impact my calories as much as they did my points. I also had some trail mix today and some granola yesterday- stuff I wouldn't dare touch on WW.

I'm just having a bit of trouble transitioning to a new system of tracking my food. I am not tracking vegetables right now, but I do list the ones I have in the notes section of my tracker. I would love to count the veggies because I know vegetables have calories, but I also tend to add veggies into my meals until I feel I have enough- generally 1/2 to 3/4 of a 8.5 inch plate.

I was double tracking up until Wednesday, and I have been exclusively tracking on MFP the past couple days. [My username there is the same as here on Sparkpeople, if you want to check it out.]


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