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OBIESMOM2
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2/8/13 11:20 A

you guys are making me crave spicy shrimp & tomatoes over linguine! My favorite meal from the Italian Oven...mmmmmmmmmm



35BYMAY
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2/8/13 11:18 A

ate a big ole plate of pasta last night... and the scale is down this morning :)



RIET69
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2/8/13 11:14 A

This thread is an interesting read but I think I will stay out of the fray. I LOVE pasta too!!!



BUNNYKICKS
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2/8/13 10:51 A

There's quite a difference between saying "it worked for me" and saying "There's only one way to do it, my way, and the proof of that is that i have lost more weight than you."

There's also something inherently wrong with saying "Dr. Graham of Canada's University of Guelph says that wheat is bad" when that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he said.

I am not unsupportive of people on GF diets, whether they choose GF as a choice or due to a medical necessity.

I am unsupportive of false and misleading information. If someone says "This Credible Researcher and Leader in His Field said x, proving y!"... and that's actually NOT TRUE, I cannot see what is wrong with pointing this out.

The original poster only wanted to know if pasta was a healthy/appropriate food choice while losing weight. Telling her that it is a terrible choice, "I know because Doctor so-and-so said..." would be fair enough IF Doctor so-and-so ACTUALLY had said such a thing. He didn't.



35BYMAY
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2/8/13 7:15 A

Although support is absolutely essential Pat4prog, sometimes, it is more important to debunk false information, for the greater good. Although we should all do our own research, some people, most people, cannot weed through what is biased or not on their own, leaving the duties to those here who know, for a fact, when something is said that is not true, so that people who may be impressionable are not led down a dangerous or incorrect path :)



PAT4PROG
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2/8/13 5:40 A

WOW...such attack---extremely amazed following this thread.
Everyone is different and the body may react to certain foods differently. I've always thought of SparkPeople as an site of support and encouragement. I've made many post over time and have made comments as "it worked for me" or "in my opinion "; and it's just that, it may not work for you and you may not agree. All in all, we should each do our own research, learn our own bodies, and have a trust-worthy medical team to help guide us.
Regarding pasta----measure you portions; Portions control is for sure the #1 aspect that I've learned through SparkPeople.(do note: I do have friend who cannot have wheat in their diet for medical reasons/per their medical team's advise)
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AUDREYUK
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2/8/13 5:18 A

This is an aside, although I think it is relevant to the tangent that this thread has gotten off on. I have one friend in my life currently who has celiac disease. She almost died from it before she was diagnosed (she was very thin and frail--people mistakenly thought she was anorexic.) Anyway, she was finally diagnosed and now, 3 years later, she is obese. I assure you that not one crumb of wheat has touched her lips since her diagnosis.

My point is, cutting out wheat does not ensure a slim waistline and a healthy lifestyle.



SLIMMERKIWI
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2/8/13 5:08 A

Well, I have to agree with Jess - Unintentionally 100% entertaining. I hope the OP has gotten the information she needed about her query.

Those couple of recipes sound really nice - I think I might be trying them.

Kris



BUBBLEJ1
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2/8/13 2:09 A

Well this has been entertaining... Thanks for filling in a Friday night.

If we are recipe sharing, here is my awesome Spag Bol (which I ate weekly the year I lost 40lb...Just sayin')

Pasta of your choice - I like penne - Enough for 4 servings (will vary)
1lb lean ground beef (or turkey works well for less fat and calories)
1 onion, diced
1t crush garlic (or more; I like more!)
2 cans crushed tomatoes - you can use flavoured ones for more flavour (I like one crushed, one diced)
2 zucchinis, grated
1-2C frozen spinach
Any other veggies you want!

Brown the onions, garlic, and zucchini in the pan. Remove
Brown the meat
Add the onion and zucchini back to the pan with the meat
Pour the tomatoes over the meat and stir
Simmer for 20 minutes
Stir in any extra veggies 5 minutes before serving

Season with salt and pepper as desired, and serve over the pasta with some grated parm cheese.

Edited by: BUBBLEJ1 at: 2/8/2013 (02:10)


BUNNYKICKS
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2/7/13 9:40 P

Wow. just reading a bit more about that University of Guelph study (of 10 participants).

Let's look at the actual University of Guelph site, and see what the study was *really* all about.

www.uoguelph.ca/news/2008/07/sourdough_bre
ad.html


Ah yes, far from implying that Wheat is Bad, the good doctor is suggesting that whole grain wheat is GOOD. Some quotes:

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"There's an urban myth that if you want to lose weight, you shouldn't eat bread. But the truth is, bread is one of our biggest sources of grains and has a number of healthy benefits."

"With this study we wanted to find out which breads are better so that we can optimize the benefits by combining them into one type of bread."

"Based on the findings of this study, as well as a followup study using whole grain rather than whole wheat, we are learning that the best way to get these nutrients is through a whole grain bread, not whole wheat."

"Funded by the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs, the results of this study have led Graham and a team of researchers to continue studying the healthy benefits of sourdough bread and whole grain."
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Oooooo it just burns me to see this research taken out of context in an attempt to "prove" a message that is *completely opposite* what the research was saying.



35BYMAY
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2/7/13 8:34 P

Sunshine, what is your background? I am totally curious what your educational background is and current profession



DRAGONCHILDE
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2/7/13 8:00 P

Oh, Dr Hyman, the guy who thinks he can cure autism through diet? This is one of Dr. Oz's buddies, and we know how much we trust HIM.

This article states that wheat can cause autism and schizophrenia.

And at the end, he closes with "To learn more and to get a free sneak preview of The Blood Sugar Solution where I explain exactly how to avoid wheat and what to eat instead go to www.drhyman.com."

Again. Someone selling a book.

*shrugs*

I disagree with you, and this doctor. Given that 90% of this stuff applies to people with celiac disease and gluten intolerance (neither of which I have, and I have been losing weight just fine with my current diet). He's fond of buzz words like "fattening foods" and "super insert bad thing here". He also promotes detoxing (something which 90% of the credible medical community agrees is impossible).

I do not trust him, and I'm not the only one. After all, he has a reason to twist the facts should he so choose.

He has books to sell.

scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/10/12/dr-m
ark-hyman-lets-turn-back-the-clock-o/<
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www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?s=mark+hyman


www.salon.com/2009/03/12/mark_hyman/



BUNNYKICKS
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2/7/13 7:58 P

Oh, and on your first paragraph about lecitin - you copy-pasted straight from Livestrong. The actual article is here. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC13262
03/pdf/1472-6823-5-10.pdf


You may wish to take note of the fact that this is a HYPOTHESIS not a test study. Also take note of some of the conclusions:

"Although the foods with major contributions to the "western diet" pattern were all positively associated with increased risk for type 2 diabetes, the consumption of refined grains remained significantly associated with the risk for type 2 diabetes when the foods with major contributions were modelled simultaneously [93]. However, the same study also showed a
reduced risk for type 2 diabetes with a high intake of whole grain as part of a "prudent" diet pattern [93], and whole grains are reportedly also inversely related to weight gain, even after multivariate analysis for several indicators of a healthy living such as non-smoking and physical activity [94]. Accordingly, there are contradictory results from studies on effects of cereal grains on diseases of affluence. If not due to confounding factors, this is possibly explained by beneficial effects of whole grains as compared to refined grains, including higher fiber and micronutrient content, coupled with the usually inverse relationship between intake of whole and refined grain"

Again - NOT a condemnation of WHEAT.



BUNNYKICKS
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2/7/13 7:47 P

Oh here we go again emoticon

Now Sunshine, before you get too excited about Professor Graham's comment as proof that Wheat Is Evil, let's look at the entire context in which he said it. Firstly, the article wasn't about "wheat being bad" - it was about the insulin response of people eating various types of WHEAT bread. The "surprise result" was that SOURDOUGH (wheat bread) came out ahead of "whole wheat bread" in a sample of TEN PEOPLE.

You have completely overlooked the part where Dr. Graham interprets the meaning of this result. His interpretation is that the less positive blood responses sparked by the whole wheat are likely due to the fact that the milling process involved in making the whole-wheat bread used in the study is similar to that used for white bread, and says:

"The parts of the grain like wheat germ and bran that have the health benefits are taken out to create white flour and then partially added back to make whole wheat," he says.
"Based on the findings of this study, as well as a followup study using whole grains rather than whole wheat, we are learning that the best way to get these nutrients is through whole grain, not whole wheat."

Nowhere did this article say WHEAT IS BAD. The focus of the article was that SOURDOUGH WHITE is GOOD.

Now on to Mr. Fasano. His work is done with respect to people who have gluten sensitivities. He describes in a scientific-speak sort of fashion, what it is that "goes wrong" in people with celiac disease:

"Gliadin. Gliadin is one of the proteins found in gluten. When someone has a reaction, it’s because gliadin cross talks with our cells, causes confusion, and as a result, causes the small intestine to leak. Gliadin is a strange protein that our enzymes can’t break down from the amino acids (glutamine and proline) into elements small enough for us to digest. Our enzymes can only break down the gliadin into peptides. Peptides are too large to be absorbed properly through the small intestine. Our intestinal walls or gates, then, have to separate in order to let the larger peptide through. The immune system sees the peptide as an enemy and begins to attack. The difference is that in a normal person, the intestinal walls close back up, the small intestine becomes normal again, and the peptides remain in the intestinal tract and are simply excreted before the immune system notices them. In a person who reacts to gluten, , the walls stay open as long as you are consuming gluten. How your body reacts (with a gluten sensitivity, wheat allergy or Celiac Disease) depends upon how long the gates stay open, the number of “enemies” let through and the number of soldiers that our immune system sends to defend our bodies. For someone with Celiac Disease, the soldiers get confused and start shooting at the intestinal walls."

Yes, he also does say that "no one can digest gluten" (because we can't fully break down the GLIADIN in it) but that does not mean it is BAD, only that it is not fully digestible. FIBER is not digestible. By definition, FIBER is a beneficial part of a healthy diet precisely BECAUSE it is not digestible. So you can't be saying "gluten is not fully digestible therefore gluten is BAD." It's only bad if you are sensitive/allergic to it.

PLEASE STOP with the "half science." Alirght? There's enough misinformation out there in the world without "official looking quotes" being used out of their proper context to bolster weak or improbable hypothesis.




BRUNETTESF
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2/7/13 7:36 P

Pasta can be bad for you if you over do it or have an issue with wheat but since you measure it out I do not see any issue. My father eats pasta nearly every night and he is a bean pole. I also enjoy eating pasta a couple times a week but I have to measure it because I just do not have the quick metabolism my father or his side of the family has.
And the quote "60,000,000 Italians can't be wrong" is priceless and my Italian family will 100% agree with that

Edited by: BRUNETTESF at: 2/7/2013 (19:41)


YOJULEZ
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2/7/13 7:28 P

SUNSHINE, so if wheat is soooo bad for us and makes us fat, how do you explain how I lost almost 50lbs in a year, all while eating wheat products?

Edited by: YOJULEZ at: 2/7/2013 (19:29)


SUNSHINE6442
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2/7/13 7:14 P

Dragonchilde if the site was out of date try these

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyma
n/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html
Three Hidden Ways Wheat Makes You Fat

Weight Gain the December 2005 issue of "BMC Endocrine Disorders."
Most cereal grains, including wheat, contain a biochemical compound called lectin. Lectins are naturally produced by many plants like wheat to protect them against their enemies. A research done with pigs showed that a diet rich in grains and lectins was associated with insulin resistance, higher blood pressure and higher inflammation levels, as measured with the C-reactive protein, as published in the December 2005 issue of "BMC Endocrine Disorders." The authors of this study believe that a diet rich in lectin-containing grains, which include wheat, could increase hunger by inducing leptin resistance, which would explain the increased prevalence of overweight and obesity in Western societies.

Canada's University of Guelph
Researchers at Canada's University of Guelph compared how people responded to eating certain breads for breakfast. Specifically, they looked at: white, whole wheat, whole wheat with barley and sourdough white breads.

Prof. Terry Graham, University of Guelph
"One of the surprising things in our work is that whole-wheat products turned out to have the least healthy responses of all, and this is not what we expected," said Prof. Terry Graham in an article reported by The Canadian Press.

According to Alessio Fasano, the Medical Director for The University of Maryland's Center for Celiac Research, no one can properly digest gluten."We do not have the enzymes to break it down," he said.
Wheat contains a protein that degrades into a morphine-like compound after eating, and creates an appetite for more.
The trigger food was wheat. The gliadin protein in modern wheat will lead to a carb addiction by connecting to the opiate receptors in our brain. For many people all carbohydrates (incl. whole grains) will cause strong cravings to eat again an hour or two later, typically cravings for sugar or other carbohydrates





35BYMAY
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2/7/13 4:08 P

basil is my nemesis in the garden.. it ALWAYS dies. If you have any tips, PM me! I am a tomato guru and a basil failure lol



DRAGONCHILDE
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2/7/13 4:07 P

Num... that sounds SO good. I usually have fresh basil around, too! (I need to plant some more this year!)



35BYMAY
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2/7/13 4:02 P

oh man, its sooooo basic and soooooo delicious! Here it is

Ingredients

olive oil (whatever your comfort zone is... I use 1-2 tbsp as this makes a lot of sauce)
4 cloves garlic, peeled and finely sliced (personally, I use more because I am a garlic freak-show)
1 bunch fresh basil, leaves picked and torn
3 x 400 g good-quality tinned plum tomatoes
sea salt
freshly ground black pepper
(I also add good balsamic vinegar for sweetness)

This is how I make it:
on medium heat, put olive oil and garlic in pan and saute for just a minute. add the tomatoes, crushing them with a wooden spoon or potato masher... add sea salt and pepper to taste... simmer for about 10 mins on med/low. Add a splash of balsamic (a good lug) and let simmer for another few mins... add basil leaves and all done! Toss in the pasta :)

for my scallops, I pan sear them for a couple of mins until cooked, and add them into the pasta and sauce at the end :)

Edited by: 35BYMAY at: 2/7/2013 (16:04)


PATTISWIMMER
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2/7/13 3:59 P

well you don't weigh so much so I am shocked.. I eat pasta maybe once every two weeks because it has so much carbs... It certainly is a dead food with no phytonutrients. I just eat it so I can have tomato sauce on something and get lots of mushrooms into my diet



BUNNYKICKS
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2/7/13 2:33 P

Ohhh Jamie Oliver emoticon ~swoon~

*cough* I mean. I really like his recipes.

www.jamieoliver.com/



DRAGONCHILDE
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2/7/13 2:28 P

35BYMAY - I demand a recipe. LOL. That sounds SO good!



OBIESMOM2
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2/7/13 1:58 P

@BK - great link. I tend to be really skeptical of the latest, greatest (fill in the blank). I've heard so much about that book.



VEG_GIRL04
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2/7/13 1:40 P

AudreyUK - emoticon your comment on Italians!

Um...wow...was there really a "my weight loss is better than yours" claim in this thread?

No one's persons progress is "better" than the others - especially measured in lbs alone.

Way to totally miss the point of spark people if you have this attitude. This is about a caring, loving community that spreads the spark of a healthier lifestyle. Not to mention at the end of my weight loss journey I won't have lost nearly as much as you either...but...what if my final weight is lower than yours? Does that mean I'm better? We gonna throw % loss in there, height, medical conditions? Who's the judge in this secretive competition where one persons successes are better than the other?

That's why the point of spark is to SUPPORT EVERYONE! People with weight problems have enough adversaries without adding each other to the list.



35BYMAY
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2/7/13 1:29 P

tonight, I feast on Jamie Oliver's fantastic tomato sauce recipe, over spaghettini and sea scallops emoticon . Go ahead and eat your pasta! plug it into the tracker, and if the shoe fits, wear it :) Life is too short not to enjoy one's food



35BYMAY
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2/7/13 1:27 P

Sunshine, I will decline to read your paperback recommendations, because I have spent the last 3 years reading 1500 page medical textbooks devoted to physiology and pathology... I urge you to consider the same



AUDREYUK
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2/7/13 1:26 P

I say 60,000,000 Italians can't be wrong!
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If you've found something you love that easily works into your nutrition goals then you've hit the holy grail! I think we set ourselves up to fail when we exclude things we love (especially when they are as harmless as whole wheat pasta!)
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Dragonchilde, we've got your back! You're totally in the right.
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Edited by: AUDREYUK at: 2/7/2013 (13:50)


DRAGONCHILDE
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2/7/13 1:13 P

Thanks Bunnykicks! An interesting read indeed...



CARLY241
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2/7/13 12:55 P

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Edited by: CARLY241 at: 2/8/2013 (09:13)


BUNNYKICKS
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2/7/13 12:46 P

Oh and hey, Dragonchilde, I think you will find this critique of Wheat Belly to be an enjoyable and validating read. And your weight loss success rocks. :)

noglutennoproblem.blogspot.ca/2012/03/whea
t-belly-busted.html




BUNNYKICKS
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2/7/13 12:24 P

Eating pasta (particularly a whole wheat variety) every night - nothing wrong with that! If that is what you like, AND it keeps you satisfied, AND you keep within your calorie ranges, then by all means! Eat pasta! It is not unhealthy and assuming you do not have a gluten/wheat allergy or sensitivity, it's a perfectly reasonable food choice.

Now, knowing that you are a "noodle person" if you are looking for some variety, I would recommend trying soba noodles. They are made of buckwheat (which is not a wheat, or even a grain, at all) and they work very well in soups, as part of a cold noodle salad, or warm with stir-fry on top. I really like them.



DRAGONCHILDE
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2/7/13 12:05 P

I asked for peer-reviewed references. You linked a for-sale website. That's not a reference. Your point was incorrect, based on false assumptions, and is not backed up by any reviewed medical science.

"sorry your having a bad day."
"so sorry if I upset you"

friendship.about.com/od/Conflicts_With_Fri
ends/g/Non-Apology.htm


Thanks, but no thanks.



SUNSHINE6442
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2/7/13 11:32 A

Dragonchilde...there was no intent to attack you...nor critize you...you asked for resources...I gave them to you...and thought it would help you..sorry your having a bad day....you do not have to listen to me..that's your perogative.....the forum is an expression of opinion, possibly to help to others...I relay what I have learned...this is what worked for me....I have helped many others...I don't close my mind to alternatives...and I find Dr. Mark Hyman to be highly respected as well as Dr. Davis...

You can dismiss me and thats fine...

you say "I have had NO trouble losing weight, except when I eat too much"

...the point was that wheat can cause hunger and cravings.....not all carbs are treated the same by your body

anyway, so sorry if I upset you.



YOJULEZ
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2/7/13 11:32 A

I eat a lot of pasta, at least once a week, sometimes more. I have had no issues losing weight whatsoever as you can tell from my ticker. As long as you have it as part of a balanced meal (I love to mix veggies like broccoli with it so it feels like I'm eating a huge portion, even though I stick to my 2oz serving of the pasta), there is nothing wrong with it.

Also, I agree that commenting on someone else's weight loss is REALLY not cool and shouldn't be allowed here on these boards.

Edited by: YOJULEZ at: 2/7/2013 (11:38)


WHOLENEWME79
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2/7/13 10:54 A

I work in a hospital that has a GI and nutrition research wing and quite a few of the doctors there (which include RD MDs) think those diets are bunk except in certain instances. I actually asked several of the doctors because of the amount of play low-carb and no-carb diets get here on SP and I wanted to hear what a professional said, versus heresay from people who's doctors told them something.

Every person is different. OP, you seem to be doing fine weight loss wise, so go for eating grains. As other people mentioned, track it, keep your overall diet balanced, and don't go overboard.

It is my understanding that the problem with carbs is their modern day refined nature, not the carb itself, as well as the fact that we eat SO MUCH of them. We need carbs from various sources, which include fruits, vegatables and various grains, to keep our body running. We also need fat, protein and various nutrients. That is why, for time beyond counting, a balanced diet it what promotes weight loss in the vast majority of people.

People who eat too much of something, regardless of it's nature, are not getting a balanced diet and that can lead to problems- And we are not just talking weight gain.

Once again, however, everyone is different. You might have a medical condition that means you cannot or should not eat certain things, so you limit and/or substitute.



DRAGONCHILDE
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2/7/13 10:43 A

Oh, and since we're talking about weight loss, 96 pounds in two years.

That's 104 weeks.

96/104 = 1 lb per week. (rounded up.)

There is nothing dramatic nor astoundingly fast or even particularly impressive about that loss.

It's exactly the same rate I'm losing when I stick to my ranges. So don't preach to me about needing to buy your pet book to lose weight. I'm doing quite fine on my own following SPARKPEOPLE'S recommendation.

Thanks but no thanks.

And I'm done for now, because I'm too angry to respond in a civil manner further.



DRAGONCHILDE
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2/7/13 10:31 A

"Dragonchilde...Your weight loss is not as great as mine, so you might consider reading these two books....Everyone is going to do what they think is right for themselves...I personally would not eat pasta daily and I cetainly would use the Brown rice pasta or Quinoa pasta if it was my choice to have some."

Wait a minute.

Did you *seriously* just say that?

I don't care what your personal beliefs are, who you think you are studying, what your doctor said, nor what successes or failures you might have had.

You do NOT attack me for the fact that I've had less weight loss than you, period. You know nothing about me, my life, or my process. I have had NO trouble losing weight, except when I eat too much. No more, no less. I lost three pounds in a week a couple of weeks ago, and you know what I ate that week? Bread. Pasta. Wait for it... even WHITE bread and enriched pasta. You don't know what you're talking about. Period. And I am insulted that you would even stoop to such a LAME attack.

I would strongly suggest that you check your privilege, go get a medical degree before dispensing patently false medical information, and stop criticizing others because they've lost less weight than you have. Because such a thing is ignorant, uncalled for, and has frankly *pissed me off* in a way no one else on this board has every managed to do.

If you have no reliable sources from somewhere where someone does not have a new york times bestseller to sell, then I have nothing else to say to you, and I completely dismiss everything you say from here on as credulous and uninformed. Period.

Edited by: DRAGONCHILDE at: 2/7/2013 (10:41)


DRAGONCHILDE
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2/7/13 10:26 A

I'm sure your endocrinologist is very well versed. However, he is not the one posting, YOU are. And the wheat belly guy is not a peer-reviewed source. He's a guy selling a book.

Try again.

For your reference:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

I do not trust second-hand hearsay from people who heard their doctor say something, especially when I've gotten some of the worst advice i've ever heard from doctors who are supposed to be specialists in their fields. I once had a *pediatrician* tell me never to breastfeed a baby more than once every two hours, and only for 30 minutes.

If I'd followed his advice, I would have sabotaged my supply and failed to nurse my baby, and in fact would have likely caused her to fail to thrive. She needed to be nursed every 45 minutes for up to an hour.

Doctors are not always the end-all be all of knowledge. This is why peer-review is so important, to remove individual shortcomings and bias.



SUNSHINE6442
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2/7/13 10:16 A

Dragonchilde...My endocrinoligist is very well versed.....

also you might want to read Dr. WIlliam Davis ..book "Wheat Belly"

Cut Wheat Products From Your Diet And You Won't Be Hungry
Dr. William Davis, says "Wheat rapidly turns into sugar and accelrates aging and chronic illness in most of us. Whole wheat and white bread have essentially the same impact on blood sugar, which is to say you might as well be eating a big spoonful of sugar. Slices of whole wheat bread increase blood sugar to a higher level than a candy bar does. If you eliminate wheat from your diet, you're no longer hungry, cut out the appetite stimulant, and consequently you lose weight very quickly

In Addition...Dr. Mark Hymans Book "Ultra Metabolism" choosing a diet that is low glycemic is an important way to control both your appetite and weight"..."carbs should come from whole, unprocessed plant foods" he also says a meal with spaghetti, sauce, garlic bread and a salad is a meal that is heavy in carbs that turn into sugar in your body immediately.

35BYMAY...Just after you have a carb-rich meal, there is a shoot in the sugar level in the blood, and your pancreas starts producing insulin in large amounts to take care of the excess sugar in the blood...35BYMAY please read dr. mark hymans book Ultra Metabolism...

Dragonchilde...Your weight loss is not as great as mine, so you might consider reading these two books....Everyone is going to do what they think is right for themselves...I personally would not eat pasta daily and I cetainly would use the Brown rice pasta or Quinoa pasta if it was my choice to have some.

You and all the non-believers can read this now...

http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/07/do
ped/

Edited by: SUNSHINE6442 at: 2/7/2013 (10:38)


KRISTEN_SAYS
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2/7/13 10:05 A

So tell me, Sunshine, it must have been a miracle for me to lose 50 pounds and go from a size 12 to a size 2 eating bread almost every day and pasta 3-4 times a week since carbs make you fat and everything.

To the OP - as long as you're measuring your portions and have a balanced diet overall, I see no problem with eating pasta every night.



35BYMAY
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2/7/13 9:59 A

Sunshine please stop telling people that insulin causes weight gain!! you are 100% WRONG and if you had a background in physiology and pathology of the endocrine system (something you should have if you want to talk about it), you would not be saying these things

"body weight increases when insulin is present in the bloodstream"... what?!?!?!?!

without insulin in our bloodstream, we die. PERIOD.

Edited by: 35BYMAY at: 2/7/2013 (10:00)


DRAGONCHILDE
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2/7/13 9:49 A

"Wheat Bread has a drug in it that is super addictive.... makes you crave and eat more.
it has a gluten that is super inflammatory and a super starch that is super fattening."

SUNSHINE6442: Do you have a peer-reviewed reference for this claim? There is no evidence that I've seen anywhere that supports the idea of an addictive drug in wheat bread, not even on Fox News. ;)

Here's what Sparkpeople has to say about carbs:

www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_art
icles.asp?id=590


Specifically:

"Complex carbohydrate foods have been shown to enter the blood stream gradually and trigger only a moderate rise in insulin levels, which stabilizes appetite and results in fewer carbohydrates that are stored as fat. Unrefined or ‘whole grain’ carbohydrates found in products like brown rice, whole wheat pasta and bran cereals are digested slowly. They contain vitamins, minerals and fiber which promote health. Fiber and nutrient-rich vegetables, fruits and beans which are carbohydrates also have many important functions for the body and are important for good health."



MANDIETERRIER1
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2/7/13 9:46 A

As long as you are measuring and tracking I see no problem with it. I love pasta and I eat it a couple times a week.



SUNSHINE6442
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2/7/13 9:44 A

Wheat Bread has a drug in it that is super addictive.... makes you crave and eat more.
it has a gluten that is super inflammatory and a super starch that is super fattening.

Brown rice pasta is a better, more healthy choice as it does not give the bloodstream a sugar surge...Hogson Mills Brown Rice Pasta is available at Walmart for $2.00 and also Trader Joe's carries their own brown rice pasta....or try Quinoa pasta....

and I disagree with Dragonchilde...carbs can make you fat! Body weight increases when insulin is present in the bloodstream, it's a process of converting glucose into fat...when levels in the blood falls below normal, thus making you feel hungry again. So, when you eat carbohydrates, the whole process makes you even hungrier...reduce the intake of starch & sugar from which the glucose is made, and to fill the void with another fuel..... fat....like avocado, sardines, herring, lean meat, turkey, chicken to name a few....


Since I eat low carb now ..no wheat or white pasta, no wheat or white bread and only dark rye....I have lost 96lbs....yes, it took me two years to lose that weight but it has stayed off...



DRAGONCHILDE
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2/7/13 9:14 A

Of course. Especially since you're using whole wheat pasta, it's fine. Carbs don't make you fat, contrary to popular opinion. It's all about eating what you enjoy. As long as you are tracking your calories accurately, you're fine! I'm a big fan of pasta myself; I've lost the weight I have eating pasta several times a week!



VEG_GIRL04
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2/7/13 8:31 A

As long as you're not way over your carb limit and below protein limits - I see no issue with it. I love pasta as well and at least a few times a week enjoy some Barilla Plus (measured out of course) and no longer feel bad aboutit when I'm sure to fit it in my nutrition goals for the day!



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2/7/13 4:55 A

You obviously really enjoy pasta. There is nothing wrong with that - just make sure that it is balanced with veges and protein, as well.

I have pasta dishes occasionally, but actually cook red lentils in with it to slightly reduce the calorie content and carbs, and increase the protein.

Enjoy :-)

Kris




BUBBLEJ1
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2/7/13 4:45 A

Sure, why not? You enjoy it and it fits into your calorie ranges, so it's fine. You can get heaps of veggies servings in with pasta (like in the sauce!) which can make it a great meal.



CARLY241
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2/7/13 3:52 A

Hello, is it OK that I eat pasta almost every night? To mix it up some nights I will have rice or a sweet potato....but I do like pasta the best and have that the most. I use whole wheat and measure out my portion size. I just wanted to ask here to see if it is OK to have that often.



 
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