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AZULVIOLETA6 SparkPoints: (0)
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10/15/13 4:50 P

Forgot something:

4. You really do need to measure or weigh everything. Even with vegetables, unless you are measuring, things can get out of hand quickly.

MTNGRL Posts: 8,554
10/15/13 4:48 P

If it goes past my lips I track it!

AZULVIOLETA6 SparkPoints: (0)
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10/15/13 4:48 P

1. It is not very hard to track veggies. Say there are maybe 10 things that you eat frequently--put them in your favorites and it's easy to find and record them. I have a couple of salad combinations that I eat frequently set up as Groupings--one click and I have all those veggies recorded. Easy-peasy.

2. I had some incorrect notions about fruits and veggies until I started tracking EVERYTHING and was able to see all of the nutritional details. I thought that grapes were horribly high carb--turns out they are about the same as any other fruit. I also had some incorrect notions about carrots and peas. I wouldn't have noticed this if I had not been tracking and running the daily reports.

3. When you track, you learn which things that you like are especially good nutritional deals. For example, you can have a whole CUP of fresh green beans for only 8 carbs and 38 calories. They are tasty, go well with many meals and are very filling. Hazzah! I also love seeing that I can get a whole cup of spinach for only 8 calories--so great for bulking up a pasta dish. Seeing how good it is nutritionally encourages me to make a good choice and eat spinach.

P.S. I got fat eating rice/beans, pasta with vegetable sauces and vegetable soup. Granted, a health problem played a major role in that, but there is such a thing as too much good stuff and specifically too many good carbs. I will gain 2-3 pounds if I eat a falafel from Pita Pit with veggies wrapped in pita bread--there is nothing horrible in a falafel other than maybe the white flour, but a whole, large falafel just has too many carbs for me. I know because looked up the nutritional information from the restaurant and because I track! It would be easy to justify and tell myself it is all vegetables so it must be fine..but that's not the truth.

I wish that you would challenge yourself to eat real, good food and track it all for two weeks. I think that you might be surprised.

Edited by: AZULVIOLETA6 at: 10/15/2013 (16:51)
RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
10/15/13 4:09 P

That's the problem when people only hear " carbs are bad for you " They never hear " some ". Yes, on low carb you limit carbs, but a majority of them come from vegetables, and even on low carb 5 servings is a minimum. No reason why you can't eat 10 servings. I choose to skip potatoes, and corn, but veggies are a great part of any diet.

Some of these vegetables though, especially corn, peas, and potatoes can easily add up to 2-300 calories, so over 10-14 days could be a 1 lb gain, if they are over your calorie limit. Eyeballing is great as long as you are steadily losing, but when we stumble, and see a gain, or a stall for any length of time, we are supposed to refer to our tracker, and see what is wrong. If it is incomplete, it is basically useless as a tool to correct anything to do with your diet. All calories count.

RIET69 SparkPoints: (47,087)
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10/15/13 2:50 P

I track everything. I am not just counting calories, I am also interested in nutrients, sodium, etc.

HEALTHNUT2009 Posts: 907
10/15/13 11:27 A

Veggies -- all food has calories - end of story

want to loose weight -- count every dog gone thing you put in your mouth ... and i do mean

Every THING .. !!! and if you don't want to count calories - drink lots of water -- no calories !
that is the only thing I have discovered ..

i have had mini successes since being on this website for I am embarssed to say how long now -- too long - should been at goal weight .. 4 yrs ago! .. but life happens - what other excuse can I provide you?

i had to laugh when I told the gal at curves I was eating more veggies -- instead of telling me - good for you - that's a step in the right direction - O no ..
i didn't get positve encouragement - no no no ---

i was told Well Veggies are carbs too Don't forget that! -- and then tried to get me to sign up for their 14.95 meal plan - they create for you every week ...

good grief .. everyone wants your money! Don't forget that!

JULY4MOM2000 Posts: 3
4/7/13 4:40 P

I'm glad I found this. I was counting everything, then I quit counting my fruits and veggies. I try to eat a fruit and veggie with every meal and every snack. I need to start tracking them again!

ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,925
3/9/13 11:27 A

I love how WW gives you 'free' veggies and fruit. But one thing I've also learned from WW (at a meeting) is that you can't mix up diet rules and expect results. If you were still going to WW, the overriding rule is to stay within your points, given the rules of THAT game. But if you went back to a different version of WW - some people do prefer points to points plus, for example - you can't mix them!

So, yeah, you have to count everything when you are not doing the WW plan, and you're not.

AJBOTV SparkPoints: (11,534)
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3/8/13 1:11 P

I'm a vegan and I count all my veggies and fruit. I do it mostly to keep tabs on nutrients (iron, protein, vit b12, etc) but I've gained a bit of weight the past few months and obviously - in my case - it's coming from going over my calorie limit.

Though I will say since going vegan my calorie limit is much higher than when I ate meat and dairy. Before, I'd try to stay around 1200-1500 a day just to maintain. Now I can eat up to 2200 a day and still lose weight (activity level has not increased).

It's harder to gain weight (but also faster to lose weight) when you're eating a lot of veggies/fruit...but it all still counts as calories in the end.

SZIMMER2 Posts: 2
3/5/13 11:22 A

Oatmeal is NOT a free food on WW. If you are going to slam a diet, get your facts straight.

MISSRUTH Posts: 4,232
3/5/13 11:16 A

I think the problem with the WW "free" veggies and fruit, is that people hear the first part-- it's a free food. And not the second part-- within healthy guidelines. I've had people who were on WW and then quit that & come to Spark, tell me that they miss getting to eat all the fruit they want, every day. Totally missed the "healthy guidelines" part.

NILBOGGER SparkPoints: (0)
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3/5/13 9:21 A

Guys, HONEYLISSABEE is not saying she eats 500-800 calories worth of veggies. She says she knows she could be eating an extra 500-800 calories a day and still be losing weight.

CLARK971 SparkPoints: (29,686)
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3/5/13 7:25 A

yesterday my fruit and veggie calories
celery 5 cal
scallions 2 cal
tomato 38 cal
broccoli 50 cal
clementine 70cal
apple 95 cal

over 250 calories not counting the avocado i had with lunch.

the veggies were under 57 calories-so not really a significant amount. it is the fruits that contribute more to my calories.

if i wasn't tracking the fruits and veggie calories-i would have to change the amount of my total calories. I usually eat in the 1600 range-which includes the fruits and veggies. if i wasn't tracking them, i couldn't eat 1600 still plus another 300+ that i didn't track.

edit: i can see how not counting things like broccoli and celery might lead to better choices. some "free" raw veggies and dip would have been a better snack choice than the captain crunch i had last night.

Edited by: CLARK971 at: 3/5/2013 (08:05)
3/4/13 6:05 P

I always count veggie calories, even if its only 10 or 20 calories

SWEDIEPIE Posts: 338
3/4/13 5:27 P

I track everything, but I don't worry as much on measurements on my green, leafy veggies. If I put a cup in my tracker and decide to have two cups of zucchini or spinach, 'tis life.

I track every bit of food to have a log for myself of different reactions to food I may be experiencing- it helps me to remember and pinpoint. I also like to look back when I'm in a "food boredom" stage and see what I was eating a year ago to fire up some old tried and true ideas.

I also like to see my fiber intake met for the day.

NIRERIN Posts: 14,236
3/4/13 4:42 P

i think the problem with this isn't so much you overeating as you not getting enough calories. 500-800 cals is a lot of vegetable calories. i mean, chopped green peppers have 30 cals a cup. to even hit 500 cals from that, you're looking at eating sixteen and two thirds cups. a cup of raw mushroom pieces has 15 cals. you'd have to have 33.3 cups to get to 500 cals. a cup of chopped raw kale has 33 cals, so you're looking at eating just over fifteen cups to get to those 500 cals. a cup of cherry tomatoes will run you 27 cals, so you'd need to get 18.5 cups of them to get to that 500 low end. so are you really eating ten plus cups of these veggies a day? are you getting anywhere near 20 cups? if some of those 500-800 cals are supposed to be dips and oils and such you could go a little lower, but again, you're talking about a very large volume of food to get anywhere near those calories.
figure that if you're aiming for around 2000 cals a day 500-800 calories is 25 - 40% of your calories. that's a large percentage of your calories to be hoping that you get enough to make up the gap. i mean, if you do consider a pound bag of frozen broccoli or cauliflower to be a reasonable side to your lunch and dinner, then by all means ignore my concerns because you do eat a large enough volume of veggies to do that and make up the calories. but if you're not eating those large volumes of veggies you probably need to be paying attention to what you're eating to make sure that you're getting enough.

NILBOGGER SparkPoints: (0)
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3/4/13 4:21 P

I don't see a problem with not tracking green vegetables. Not having to track them might help you eat more vegetables and if you find you're not losing the way you want to you can always go back to tracking everything.

Good luck.

GOPINTOS Posts: 6,263
3/4/13 3:31 P

I def. agree with points on posts before me. While I may not count the romaine salad or roasted cauliflower, I do definitely count anything that was put on it.

I did diligently track every.single.thing for over a year. I find I am always in range, maybe even too low which is just as bad as too high. Then I got to where instead of listing every single veggie in the stir fry, I might just track one or two but with the total cups for all.

I became more lax on the veggies because I know I am hitting my micros and I am not overeating. Rarely eat out. Hardly ever eat processed at home. I am fine tuning and I eat certain things each day just to make sure I am getting most of my nutrients from my foods. So it's all good whole food. However, if I were for some strange reason to max out my calories for the day and I was still hungry - like on a workout day or something, then my go-to would be eat more veggies rather than be hungry.

Fruit, definitely track but she did specify green veggies.

I have used just the quick track before also. I dont have any trouble eating enough veggies, but if I did, I would track and/or use the quick track on the start page to make sure I was getting enough.

Edited by: GOPINTOS at: 3/4/2013 (15:35)
BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
3/4/13 3:21 P

Oh! I just thought of something that might be a good compromise.

Find a couple of "generic" vegetable entries from the database, stick 'em on your favorites. For example

Mixed Vegetables (Broccoli, Cauliflower, Carrots) Birds Eye - 87g, 1 cup
Tossed salad
Vegetables, Eat Smart Stir Fry fresh-cut, 3 oz
Fresh Selections by Kroger Stir Fry Vegetables Fresh Broccoli, Carrots, Snow Peas, 1 cup

Then just... keep in mind about how many cups of "zero point veg" you eat. And add your veg for the day as one entry of "1 cup" or "2 cups" or "12 ounces" or whatever.

I mean, on WW you probably journalled your "zero" items anyways, or at least were mindful of having consumed them - this would be just as easy - keeping track without having to look up and obsess over each individual vegetable's nutrition information.

KARENCRANER Posts: 3,425
3/4/13 3:07 P

I simplify a stir fry calorie entry by just using a couple of the veggies.

MELJONES3478 SparkPoints: (15,754)
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3/4/13 2:38 P

I count everything! I thought that counting calories would be difficult but it has become a natural part of the process. If I eat a tic tack, I add the calories. I think it is important because you need to be mindful of what you are eating. If you dont add that cookie because it is "just one", or you dont add that cup of chocolate milk, because it was so small, you are just cheating yourself because that could easily be 200 calories.

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3/4/13 1:51 P

If your lke me ( i have trouble eating enough calories to reach my recommended daily calories) then every calorie counts, I track EVERYTHING i put into food even if its just 3 calories for one garlic clove. I also think its important to track everything because even if it barely has calories you should track it because it will show your carbs, fats, and proteins.

AMARISRON Posts: 1,205
3/4/13 1:38 P

I agree, I have to count my fruit! I am a super fruit lover and can easily over eat on fruit.

LUCKYNUMBER23 SparkPoints: (12,425)
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3/4/13 1:02 P

With ww if you eat all veggies for a meal, you count it. Also you should limit your fruit to 3 a day. I usually don't count veggies, but fruit yes. A banana can have 100 calories.

KIARARAMIREZ SparkPoints: (0)
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3/4/13 1:00 P

Calories are calories, I agree. but I rather eat 1000 calories of fruits and vegetables than 1000 calories of fast food.

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
3/4/13 12:51 P

You know, you really just have to find "what works best for you."

I did weight watchers in 1999. Non starchy veg were free. Fruit was not. Carrots were free (later became "counted" and now aren't again?? darn those changing points trends!). Anyways, what i recall was that i had a points range of about 25 give or take, which worked out to about 1200 calories a day (i.e. "low end of the Sparkpeople range"). Then all the "free" veg i wanted. Well... it's pretty hard to eat 350 calories worth of lettuce, tomatoes and cucumbers... so even though i might not be "counting" all the greenery, I could go hog-wild on it and still come in at around 1500 calories. (i.e. "high end of the Sparkpeople range"). So, it worked for me. Then.

A decade later I find myself needing to do this weight-loss gig all over again. I tried using WW points but found i was manipulating it (consciously or subconsiously i'm not sure, end result was the same). So I decided to journal EVERYTHING. No more "freebies" - let's just see EXACTLY what is going on here. It has been enlightening and educational, AND has really helped me to make sure i'm getting proper nutrition (I love being able to track protein and iron and calcium and sodium and so on and so forth... which only works if you are tracking EVERYTHING as most of your good 'vitamin and mineral' things come from the so-called free veg, and most of the bad sodium sneaks in in the similarly 'free' soy sauce and other condiments.

I would suggest you track, but perhaps you can be a little bit less OCD on the measuring of veg. A cup of lettuce, a cup and a half? Who cares. Track that you had lettuce, maybe don't need to weigh it down to the gram :) Whereas for things that are calorie dense (i.e. fats), you really DO need to measure those quite accurately, as a teaspoon this way or that does add up and make quite a difference by the end of the day.

CHESAPEAKE60 SparkPoints: (7,707)
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3/4/13 12:16 P

You are right of course. So I will take the hint and let it go. Lol. Thanks.

SPKRAUSE Posts: 543
3/4/13 11:58 A

CHESAPEAKE60: "All that deadening silence. Lol. We gain weight because we have sweet, salty, fat, and/or carb habits. We do not gain weight because we have healthy veggie habits."

You're clearly right, but you two are talking at cross-purposes and, to an extent, speaking in non sequiturs. Individually we gain weight because of more calories in than calories out. As a culture we provide cheap, easy access to sweet, salty, fat foods and promote bad habits. On the individual/micro level, you have the potentially different responses to types of carbs and insulin responses, etc., but those aren't universal, they depend on serving size, etc.

I just end up finding myself agreeing with two seemingly paradoxical statements:

[1] nobody gets fat eating as many (non-starchy) vegetables as they want
[2] 2500 calories is 2500 calories, whether they come from sweets or vegetables

It's hard to over-eat veggies -- though I'm sure not impossible --, and most of us don't have a caretaker who measures our food and makes sure we eat precisely this or that, don't mis-measure, don't snack, don't sneak, etc.

I also don't eat all my veggies completely 'naked' ... if I roast them, there's probably some oil involved, if they're in a salad there's probably a little dressing involved, or some nuts and seeds.

AMARISRON Posts: 1,205
3/4/13 7:09 A

I don't track veggies, but I do track anything I add to them. I also reduced my calorie goals by 50 just to be safe since I can eat a LOT of lettuce. sometimes on a day when I am eating a LOT of veggies I will track some of them too, But generally I don't if I am eating the normal 5 or so servings.

GOPINTOS Posts: 6,263
3/4/13 6:58 A

JMO based on my understanding of research I have read:

I use to count it all, but the last few months, not so much. It's my understanding that it takes about 600 carb calories to satisfy the glucose needs of the body, so I don't count vegetables (non-starchy) since they provide only enough glucose for their own digestion.

CHESAPEAKE60 SparkPoints: (7,707)
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3/4/13 6:31 A

"So the 2500 calories from vegetables over a month counted for less calories than 2500 calories of butter in a month? Ok. Got it. Magic!"

Yes, try sarcasm to avoid the issue - an example of even ONE person that you know of personally, read about, heard about on the Internet (cause then I would know for sure that it was true), etc who got overweight from green, non- starchy veggies???

All that deadening silence. Lol. We gain weight because we have sweet, salty, fat, and/or carb habits. We do not gain weight because we have healthy veggie habits.

Edited by: CHESAPEAKE60 at: 3/4/2013 (06:31)
DANCEMOM1970 SparkPoints: (44,190)
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3/4/13 12:32 A

I don't just track to keep tabs on my calories. I'm watching iron, fiber and calcium. If I didn't track fruit and veggies, my tracker would be all out of whack. The goal here is to learn...over time, probably in my case a lot of time, I will learn how to eat properly and it will be a lifetime habit.

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3/3/13 5:54 P

It might seem annoying to track it all at first but it does get easier. I have made use of the groupings tab... Once I put in everything that goes in my normal salad, all I have to do is choose "salad" instead of finding spinach, mushrooms, cucumbers, dressing, etc. make use of your favorites tab and your groupings tab. I promise it is really helpful and makes it easier later.

PS I've never done weight watchers and it surprises me that they consider any food to be a free food. If for nothing else, count everything to see what other nutrients are included. For example, I had no idea that mushrooms actually contain some protein. By not tracking some foods you may be getting an inaccurate look of protein and other measures.

JAMINURSE Posts: 3,934
3/3/13 5:18 P

For me it is about accountability for what I eat. Its all the "freebies" that go me into this mess.

SPORTYLAWGIRL SparkPoints: (11,853)
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3/3/13 4:35 P

I track it all. I'm aiming to get enough protein, fibre, calcium, and iron and tracking veggies is the only way to get there.

CORTNEY-LEE SparkPoints: (67,852)
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3/3/13 3:52 P

if you read the fine print at Weight Watchers, the "free" veggies and fruits are not to be unlimited
and you are to stay within "healthy guidelines" -

For example - when I did WW I was given a points value of 35. When I added those calories up, it came to around 1,000 - 1,200 depending on my selections. When I added in what they call the "free" veggies and fruits (which my leader told me we are to stay within the "healthy guidelines" of - i.e - 3 servings of veggies, 2 servings of fruit) I then was at 1,300 - 1,600 depending on my choices.

So, in reality, the selections are not exactly free. I wish WW would make more of a point to communicate that.

GRAMCRACKER46 Posts: 1,765
3/3/13 3:37 P

Several months ag I also switched from WW to SP and at first was sad I lost the "free" foods. But really it all counts.

I have learned so much about food and nutrition here at SP. De-program yourself and give SP a try.

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3/3/13 3:29 P

I am finding weightloss to be a journey. I was on a plan for a long time trying to make it work and it didn't.there was nothing wrong with the plan, I just couldn't stick with it. Now I am counting calories, all of them and finally it's working. try not counting veggies, if it doesn't work do something else. For me counting them makes me accountable. I want to cheat on it all the time but I learned that half measures get me nowhere. I eat at the high end of my range, and I eat food I actually like. Likely I like fruits and vegetables.
I hope you find what works for you.

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3/3/13 2:07 P

So the 2500 calories from vegetables over a month counted for less calories than 2500 calories of butter in a month?

Ok. Got it. Magic! emoticon

CHESAPEAKE60 SparkPoints: (7,707)
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3/3/13 2:00 P

Again, I strongly disagree that we all got over weight eating too much of everything. We got too fat eating too much of the wrong kinds of food. And, again, I say give me even ONE example of someone that got fat eating too many green veggies!

I am not saying I agree with WW free foods concept. I think you can consume a lot of fruit calories in a day and certainly a lot of oatmeal calories. But the total of green, low starch veggies consumed in a day will be minimal. Particularly in OP's case where she is eating at 500 calories under top range in any case - she would be able to not count green veggies and still lose weight.

UNIDENT Posts: 33,498
3/3/13 1:26 P

You eat 500-800 calories of vegetables in a day?

No, you can't "not track" that. How could that possibly help you?

Most people who "don't gain weight from too much bell peppers etc" as said, are probably eating 100-200 calories a day total in vegetables.

If you eat that much, you've got to account for that much.

I also agree with another poster that said if you can lose a pound a week at 2,000 intake, you should not be aiming for 1200. Far too low. Less food is not better - the key is to create an adequate deficit to lose around a pound a week. Faster isn't better.

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3/3/13 1:24 P

Well you might as well just say, well leave a smear of hummus on my plate, or cut the ends off the sausage... since those are as many calories as a tomato or a couple cups of mixed salad.

A calorie no matter where from, adds up.

We all got fat eating too much of everything.

So everything counted in getting fat.

WW has a lot to answer for, the "free" stuff is crazy. Slimming World does it too, I had a daft discussion with a co worker about it.

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3/3/13 12:45 P

I dislike how WW gives you "free" foods - yes, it encourages members to consume more fruits and veggies, but they still have calories! Apparently oatmeal is another free food in WW. So does that mean you can have oatmeal with a banana for "free"...? I tried getting my mom to try SP for FREE but she insists on paying $100+ for WW.

Okay, done with my venting. To the OP: if you're tracking everything already, you might as well count the greens just to get in the habit of it, plus I think it's important to look at all of your vitamins and minerals in your report, so your numbers could be really off if you weren't counting your greens in your tracker.

SPKRAUSE Posts: 543
3/3/13 11:04 A

I agree with CHESAPEAKE60 that veggies won't be the cause of weight gain and such, I'd say that *if* you're going to use SparkPeople and the food tracker, then track it all. Do it because you're quote-un-quote OCD, do it because it's a good habit, do it to keep yourself 'honest'. It's not the calories ... it's the other nutrients, too ... how much fiber you are getting, etc.

Though MISSRUTH has a point ... if it's a couple leaves of lettuce on a sandwich or similar, we're talking not even a gram of fiber, a couple calories ... it's water. If I add a pickle to something, no big deal; if I add olives, that's another matter.

MISSRUTH Posts: 4,232
3/3/13 10:35 A

If you can indeed theorectically eat 2000 calories a day and lose a pound a week, cutting your calories to 1200-1500 and staying at the bottom of your range (what you said in your op) may not be enough calories for you. Especially if you are exercisng. It's a case of "less" not being better; it actually can work against you.

As for counting everything you eat-- I normally put everything in my Tracker; however there are times where I'll put a couple romaine leaves on a sandwich, for example, and not bother tracking those. It's minimal. If I ate a couple cups of romaine in a salad though, I'd track it. If a recipe calls for 1/4 cup chopped chilis and I end up adding in maybe a teaspoon more, I might not bother with tracking them-- again, it's minimal calories and nutrition.

I think the problem would be not tracking them at all, ever. There's calcium and fiber and all sorts of good stuff in low-starch green vegetables, which wouldn't show up in your daily nutrition if you never tracked them. You can set up the ones you eat most often in your Favorites and it makes adding them to your day, a lot faster.

CHESAPEAKE60 SparkPoints: (7,707)
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3/3/13 10:19 A

I disagree with 2 previous posters. I challenge anyone to find me an example of someone who became overweight or unhealthy from too much spinach or lettuce or bell peppers, etc.!

I, personally, am just OCD enough that if I am going to track at all I have to track everything - for that sense of completion. Not because I think tracking green veggies helps with a healthy life style in any way.

And I think tracking the veggies is necessary for making sure you are meeting nutritional goals as a part of the process. But if you track the veggies for a few weeks and know you get enough vitamins, iron, etc from the amounts and varity you normally eat then tracking the green veggies for that reason becomes moot as well.

Edited by: CHESAPEAKE60 at: 3/3/2013 (10:20)
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3/3/13 10:15 A

I just started counting calories about a week ago, it gets easier!I had to accept a hard fact that this is what is necessary for me right now as I have made no progress in aall the time I have been here doing it my way. I am used to not counting them too and thought it would be hard, it's not as bad as I thought. I tell myself if dieting were easy I would be a size 4 by now!

P.s. I am short and decided start out in the high end of my range, I am still losing and try for one day a week on the low end. I have always been a good sprinter but never stay for the distance. Don't beat yourself up if you eat on the high end of your range. Go ahead and ignore this if you want

CMCOLE Posts: 2,667
3/3/13 9:36 A

I agree with Pookie

I, too, started with WW, but when I began to track my food on SP instead (cancelled my WW online subscription), I counted everything.

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3/3/13 8:55 A

If you eat it, it counts.

Teaching responsibility is something the "free food" trick doesn't do.

In addition to that, it leaves all sorts of nutrients off your tracker which you would do well to be observing, fibre for a start.

FTSOLK Posts: 1,392
3/3/13 8:29 A

Does anybody here not count calories for green veggies.

Now, I'm not talking about peas- or other startchy veggies. I'm referring to things like leafy greens, bell peppers, tomatoes, and mushrooms.

I am having a hard time going from Weight Watchers with free fruit and veggies to counting calories where EVERYTHING counts.

I already know that I can, theoretically, eat 2000 or more calories a day and still lose 1 pound per week. I plan on a 1,200-1,500 calorie goal per day where I shoot for the bottom of the range. However, that still gives me 500-800 calories of veggies. I know that my problem with my diet is the snack cakes, potato chips, fried foods, and chemical crap- not eating too much spinach. I would also count any butter or oil, dressings, dips, etc served with the veggies. (My favorite is 0% or 2% plain greek yogurt with ranch dressing mix as a dip).

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