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DREAMBUILDER Posts: 84
3/19/13 6:18 P

Try reading EAT TO LIVE by Dr. Joel Fuhrman. I think you will find it very useful and informative! emoticon

ALLIE_ME Posts: 248
3/17/13 8:40 P

My mom has a permanent B-12 malabsorption problem which started while vegan (she's no longer vegan). It's very common to be B-12 and also protein deficient while eating a vegan diet.

CMCOLE Posts: 2,667
3/17/13 10:38 A

it definitely sounds like "withdrawal" (or in your words, detox) symptoms.

Make sure about the B12, though.
My hubby was just diagnosed with a deficiency, and it's likely because for years he's had to avoid dairy, but recently was diagnosed with fish allergies - both of which supply B12 to the body.

Ensure you get lots of greenery in your menu

AJBOTV SparkPoints: (11,377)
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3/17/13 10:33 A

I didn't detox when I went vegan but I've heard of a lot of people who did. I think it helped in my case that i was going from a lower calorie range (pre-vegan) to consuming more calories. In many cases, I think it's the opposite; people think they're eating so much in volume that their calories "must" be high, when in reality they're eating far fewer calories and not realizing it.

Definitely keep tabs on nutrients like iron, B12, etc. I track my potassium and Vit D, too. Also, it'd be a good idea to get your blood tested now so you have a "standard". Then get it done in 6-12 months and see if anything has changed (i.e. did your iron levels get low).

I also found spreading my meals into 5-6 little ones a day was better than the standard 3 bigger meals and a snack. Going vegan revved up my metabolism so much I needed to eat constantly throughout the day. My stomach would start growling embarrassingly loudly every 2 hours.

One final note that's a tiny bit off topic: I'm not sure what vegan protein products you're expecting, but try to find recipes that don't call for a lot of processed vegan "meats and cheeses". Yes, the food is fortified and high in lots of nutrients, but you can make delicious nutrient-rich meals using just whole, natural foods, too.

Here's a good website: www.vegancoach.com It has a lot on getting started, how to cook vegan, different kinds of spices, and some good easy recipes.

www.ohsheglows.com is really good, too. Very little processed foods on that website, too.

APPLE_28 SparkPoints: (1,508)
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3/14/13 7:52 P

Hmmm I wouldnt think its detox, it more likely that you were dehydrated from the run or its possible your blood sugar was low. Make sure you are eating enough calories and taking your vitamins with food. Iron in vitamins may make you feel those symptoms so if its your vitamins take with orange juice. It could also be the flu so if it continues go see the doctor. Becoming a full blown vegan should be a transition not a drastic change. Vitamin b 12!

Edited by: APPLE_28 at: 3/19/2013 (13:00)
DIDS70 Posts: 5,079
3/14/13 9:24 A

Are these kind of "detox" symptoms normal?
YES YES AND YES. I "detox" continually. If i have a day where I may eat more of the unplanned foods and then get back on the plan, yes I get a headache that can last a few days. i get nauseous. I get crabby too. But once the 'yuck" is out of my system, i am all better again.

As far as vegans in your area, you may be surprised. I am raw vegan and I found lots and lots of support through meet up groups. Just look up meetup.com. Put in your zipcode and range and it will let you know about all sorts of groups.
Check out your local health food stores too. they may have groups or classes that you can go to.

GENESIS129 SparkPoints: (939)
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3/13/13 9:10 P

Calories may have been a little low previously , but today I was at the top of my range. Only Protein is low as I am waiting on some vegan protein products to come in the mail and into the local grocery store ( the nearest Whole Foods and such is an hour and a half away). I've been eating black beans and peanuts/ peanut butter .

Thanks for your help! I already have downloaded the ebook and checked out cookbooks and such today.

DIETITIANBECKY Posts: 26,695
3/13/13 8:19 P

How are your numbers??? Calorie intake, grams of protein, fat, carbs. Are you still falling within your SP ranges???


Do you have any good resouces at your local library---cooking magazines, cook books.

SP has an excellent e-book on Becoming Vegan---available through amazon.

SP Dietitian Becky

GENESIS129 SparkPoints: (939)
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3/13/13 7:54 P

Thank you so much! You've helped me already. Thanks for the encouragement, since I don't know any vegans where I live :)

I'll just take the symptoms as a sign "it's working" and keep on, hopefully they'll subside soon.

YOGINILMT Posts: 309
3/13/13 6:56 P

Any major diet change is going to cause you gastric distress. And you're right, B12 deficiency is rare, even with vegans, and is usually the result of malnutrition in general.

Dairy withdrawals are a real thing, and that might be a part of it.

Of course, it is still flu season...don't rule out regular old germs.

And tainted veggies are an issue. Make sure you take care of yourself, and wash your food carefully, even if you plan on cooking it.

Other than that, i can't think of anything.
Congratulations on making a great, ethical lifestyle choice!

GENESIS129 SparkPoints: (939)
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3/13/13 6:41 P

I've been eating vegan for a week now and I love it! I've never been much into meat. Yogurt and cheese were more difficult but I've already fallen in love with almond milk and cultured coconut milk instead of yogurt.

The most important question is about "detoxing". A few days into eating completely vegan I had a spell where I felt downright awful, and it takes something for me to say that. I was nauseated and had such bad fatigue and headache that I could barely keep my eyes open. I had just eaten and gone jogging in the previous hours and felt fine! I feel it's too soon for any protein or B 12 deficiency. If I can force myself to eat, that seems to help.
I experienced the same thing for several hours the next two nights at varying times. Today it was fever/chills.
I assumed it was detoxing but my diet hasn't changed as drastically as you may think.
Are these kind of "detox" symptoms normal?
Am I missing something?
I really want to continue on my vegan path, as I am learning and trying new things everyday.
Any thoughts?
Thanks for the help it is vry appreciated!

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