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ALGERARD
Posts: 8
6/12/12 2:38 P

I absolutely have always loved the taste of Skim Milk. It naturally provides calcium as opposed to alternatives, but I work with a family who has a child with autism, and they have totally switched her diet to Almond Milk. It is delicious, but tastes more like a sweetened treat to me than when I am craving the taste of milk. I have breast cancer in my family history, so I stay away from soy milk.



GRANDMABABA
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6/12/12 2:14 P

I use cow's milk, but not in large amounts. Because of estrogen related breast cancer I need to stay away from soy. I do enjoy almond milk for some of my cooking, baking and smoothies.



DIDS70
Posts: 5,070
6/12/12 10:33 A

Will never touch dairy again. Very happy with Almond milk and coconut milk. I even make my own. Not worried about protein or calcium that is supposedly in cow's milk. I get it better from my veggies.



JAZZ20
Posts: 1,035
6/11/12 8:14 P

I still use cows milk, probably just because I am a creature of habit. It doesn't bother my stomach so I stay with it.



LIRPA246
Posts: 701
6/11/12 7:31 P

I like rice milk for taste and nutritional value.



LOOLAH
Posts: 888
6/11/12 4:22 P

Taste-wise, I think soy milk is SO much more delicious than regular milk (but that is just a personal opinion). Also give coconut and almond milk a try too. There are much better alternatives than cows milk. emoticon



ANARIE
Posts: 12,406
6/11/12 3:49 P

There's no advantage to switching away from cow's milk if you're not intolerant. The calcium in the alternatives is added, not natural, and if you're not extremely careful to shake it up every time you use it, it precipitates out into sludge on the bottom of the carton and you don't get as much as the label says. Most alternatives are also lower in protein. Since protein and calcium are the two main things we use milk for, it just doesn't make sense to switch to an alternative with less of those two things.

However, if there's cardiac disease in your family, I do suggest that you be very careful about the coffee creamers. Read the label, and if you see the words "partially hydrogenated," get a different brand. Partially hydrogenated oils are trans fats, which are known to increase the risk of heart disease and are totally unnecessary. (We need a little saturated fat, but nobody needs trans fat.) The label may say that there's 0 grams of trans fat, but that's because the serving size is so tiny. It can have up to half a gram and still say zero, so if the serving size is a tablespoon and you're using 1/4 cup, that could be 2 full grams. If "partially hydrogenated" is on the label, there is trans fat.

Talk to your son's doctors about saturated fat. We tend to avoid it as adults, but there's growing evidence that it's important for neurological development in children. It's just a theory and probably NOT related to autism spectrum disorders, but they might prefer that you keep him on the cow's milk just in case. (A few researchers are even starting to suspect that extremely low intake of saturated fat *might* be a factor in fibromyalgia, but that's very, very early speculation. We don't even know what fibromyalgia IS, so it's way too early to change your diet because of those guesses.)

All that said, I do occasionally use soy or coconut milk when I have a coupon to make it extra cheap. I use the Silk or SoDelicious coconut in place of canned coconut milk in Thai or Indian recipes to cut calories, and soy milk is okay in smoothies. (Silk Light chocolate with a frozen banana or frozen cherries is like ice cream, although I don't like it as much since they started using stevia.) I don't bother with almond milk, though, because it has so little protein. I don't need an extra carb or fat source, and there's not much else in almond milk.



AJAMARIEW
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6/11/12 11:54 A

I will have to agee with Daniellemarie on this one. It's not biologically normal for humans to continue any animal milk consumption. Most people are mildly lactose intolerant. Whether they realize it or not. A lot of gas comes from drinking milk. Check out notmilk.com. also thecompassionatecook.com.

I always switch (one week almond, one week soy, one week coconut, one week rice), to get a variety of flavors and nutrients.



ANTI_M
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6/11/12 11:16 A

Thoughts? Of course.


I think a good organic cow milk can be part of a nutritious diet. All things in moderation of course. I drink 1% when I do have milk, and I buy very small amounts... sometimes I keep the single serving shelf stable milks on the pantry rather than buying it even in quart size. I get my calcium through supplements, but then, I'm not a growing child. The addition of protein sounds right, my husband can't gain weight. He can't have milk, so we just feed him more lean meat. Lots of turkey and fish. He's done whey protein additives too, but not lately. We tried bananas, but he got terrible gas, ick. As for adding calories, I think I'd choose something besides Carnation breakfast powder, although I haven't read the nutrition label for that in ages. Lots of sugar, isn't there?
A nutritionist had hubby on 9K calories a day in the hospital, 48 days, and he never gained an ounce (he was in isolation for a staph infection and wasn't allowed to get out and exercise, he simply stopped sleeping). So we've come to accept he's just going to be darn skinny no matter what he eats.

Ages ago, mom used to feed me malted milk tablets when I was an anemic child, and Ovaltine. Talk about sugar... and it was on the advice of a doctor! Ah, the good old days.

The milk alternatives don't work all that well for me personally. Almond milk is high in fat, and has a laxative effect on my system which I can't tolerate. Coconut milk is tasty, but the brands I can find locally are loaded with sugar. Rice milk is okay on cold cereal, but not a tasty drink. Soy milk is right out, my breast cancer was estrogen positive and I'm supposed to take it easy on sou products... as my doc says, Just to be safe. The studies are very biased for and against soy, so that's confusing.

Bolthouse is wonderful. I'm not a fan of additives and preservatives, so I do like their products.

Edited by: ANTI_M at: 6/11/2012 (11:17)


JADOMB
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6/11/12 11:06 A

My wife tried the lactose-free skim milk and it didn't work for her. She is really sensitive. The other day we bought some coconut milk and it is really good. But yes, very expensive to buy alternative milk. Milk costs us about $2.50 a gallon, the alternatives run around $3.50 a Half-gallon. I guess we all just have to do what works best for us.



REDSHOES2011
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6/11/12 10:10 A

Skimmilk I don't wafle around about alternatives they are all more expensive than all alternatives here in denmark.. I will not pay double for a milk alternative.. Skimmilk is cheaper than all alternatives and lactose free is also invented..





GIGIDISAPPEARED
Posts: 744
6/9/12 1:00 P

Since I'm lactose intolerant, I still to lactose-free,skim milk.



WHOLENEWME79
Posts: 934
6/9/12 11:45 A

I am a fan of Blue Diamond Almond Breeze milk- I like original & unsweetended, depending on the application. I do not care for flavored milks. They is also a refridgerated blend of almond & coconut milk that is pretty good (also blue diamond).

A friend at work recently switched to hemp milk (yes, HEMP milk). I do not care for it but she loves it, and it has a good amount of Omega 3s.

Emily



BITA13
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6/9/12 9:31 A

Sometimes I'll have cow's, sometimes I'll have almond



STARMONICA
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6/9/12 8:10 A

I like soy milk than milk. Desides I don't like the taste of milk, sometimes I have diarrhrea after drinking milk. Soy is also good for health. I think it can substites milk.



DANNIELLEMARIE
Posts: 1,416
6/9/12 7:43 A

In my opinion there are many reasons to avoid drinking cow's milk.

There is evidence that casein (a protein which is abundant in cow's milk) can encourage cancer growth (The China Study).

www.tcolincampbell.org/courses-resources/a
rticle/casein-consumption/


The simplest reason is that cow's milk is perfect for baby cows and human milk is perfect for baby humans. Neither is perfect for weaned children or adults. The use of cow's milk has become such a part of our culture that we really don't stop to consider this.

And for me another big reason is the ethical reason. Most people find the way veal is produced to be abhorrent but are unaware that veal is directly linked to the dairy industry. Cows must be impregnated to produce milk. Their female calves are raised to become dairy cows, male calves become veal. After having researched it in depth the amount of cruelty involved in the dairy industry is not something that sits well with me. There is a satisfactory alternative to every dairy product that does not involve suffering.

www.compassionatecook.com/media/podcast-me
dia/milk-is-a-natural-food-and-cows-na
turally-give-milk-so-whats-wrong-with-
drinking-it


I prefer unsweetened organic soy milk that has just organic soybeans and water as its ingredients. I don't really ever drink a glass of milk (never did enjoy drinking any sort of milk by the glass) but I enjoy it in my coffee and in recipes. I also really like homemade almond or cashew milk but I don't make it often. It's easier to open a carton of soy milk :)

Edited by: DANNIELLEMARIE at: 6/9/2012 (07:51)


CICELY360
Posts: 2,747
6/8/12 11:59 P

I can't drink cows milk. I drink soy or almond milk.



MFIT4ME
Posts: 526
6/8/12 4:19 P

I don't drink cows milk. It's 2 rich 4 me. I drink Silk unsweetened Pure Almond milk. emoticon it!



FROOBERT
Posts: 159
6/8/12 3:13 P

I'm allergic to cow's milk, and have been since I was born. My parents had fun figuring that one out. :p

I drank soy milk for a while, but didn't like the taste. Now I drink unsweetened almond milk from Silk, and it's super tasty! I've cooked with it with no problems, too. My dad, who is diabetic, has made the switch also. It's a really great alternative!



AEROGERS129
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6/8/12 3:00 P

Personally, I love almond and coconut milk. For me, sugar is a huge issue - so I love the fact that the Almond Breeze Unsweetened or Trader Joe Unsweetened Vanilla Almond Milk or So Delicious Coconut Milk Unsweetened only has 1-3g of sugar, as opposed to cow's milk.

I think any of these could be good options for your family. Almond Breeze has more calcium, around the same amount of Vitamin D, but less potassium and protein than cow's milk.

As long as your family is getting plenty of potassium and protein from other sources, this could be a good option!

I personally love having the Coconut Milk around, too -- I have a problem with satiety/feeling full and the fat in the Coconut Milk seems to really help. I'm not sure if it's just me but cow's milk always seemed to spike my blood sugar and leave me feeling hungry (especially when I ate it with cereal). Coconut milk, on the other hand, leaves me feeling satisfied.

As far as calories go, the unsweetened Almond Breeze & TJs brands are 40 calories/ cup, whereas the So Delicious Coconut Milk Uns. is 50 calories/cup. Both work well in baking, with cereal, etc. The only problem I've experienced is with pudding -- the instant pudding will not set with either. You'll need cow's milk for that!

Best of luck to you and your family!



KFWOHLFORD
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6/8/12 2:56 P

I usually drink almond milk (Almond breeze unsweetened vanilla), and I'd definitely suggest opting for unsweetened when you get almond or coconut milks, the sugars are unncessary and add a lot of calories, and the vanilla unsweetened versions of the milks are pretty tasty too.

I'm pretty sure some brand of coconut milk makes a type that's sweetened naturally with stevia (an herbal no-calorie sweetener).

I don't avoid cow's milk, but I don't really think much of the taste, so I don't have it unless it's lowfat chocolate milk or in something else (cocoa, cereal, etc.)

Edited by: KFWOHLFORD at: 6/8/2012 (14:57)


FEDGIRL4
Posts: 1,899
6/8/12 2:50 P

I'm lactose intolerant too. I was not diagnosed until I was 29. No wonder I had so many problems when I was younger.

I use hubby's 1% milk in my coffee. Other than that I drink mostly almond milk. I generally drink Silk 60 calorie. I had a coupon for So Delicious. The only one I could find was 40 calorie. It sucks. Back to the 60 calorie I go.



DIETITIANBECKY
Posts: 26,573
6/8/12 2:40 P

This SP article gives a great comparison of cow's milk and the alternative drinks on the market. If you are using an alternative, make sure it is calcium and vitamin D fortified. If you are using for protein in your diet---check this listing as well. I think you will find this article helpful:
www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_art
icles.asp?id=1555


SP Registered Dietitian Becky



DRAGONCHILDE
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6/8/12 2:10 P

I'm lactose intolerant, and switched to lactose-free 2% years ago. Actually? I like it a lot. It's easier on my stomach, and a bit sweeter (if you're watching sugar, it may not be for you.)



CORTNEY-LEE
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6/8/12 2:07 P

I am not a fan of cows milk. I won't drink it, but I will use it in cooking if needed. When I drink milk, I usually have almond or rice milk.

I think it is a matter of personal preference.

Here is a link to a website that you might find interesting. It has lots of articles and they may be helpful

www.notmilk.com/



CHOCOLATIER_T
Posts: 168
6/8/12 2:04 P

I never look at foods as substitutes for another food, myself. Each is so unique! I just look at my sparks nutrition monthly to make sure most days were at or near what I need on all the nutrients.

It might be worth yoru time to sign your kids up to the sparks for kids (I think they had that 2 years ago when i was here last), and log everything they are eating for a few days, just cause different ages have different nutritional needs.

But there's no reason to eat moomoojuice if you don't want to. :-) You can get everything in the moomoos from other sources.

by the way, one suggestion for you, personally. It's turning out that calcium probably helps excess fat pass through the body rather than going to fat cells for storage. If you aren't drinking moo juice, you might consider extra calcium from foods or as a supplement to complement your diet. These studies are very very very new, so take them with a grain of salt (or calcium, as it were). :-)



JADOMB
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6/8/12 1:57 P

Looks like you are doing a great job and have a good handle on the situation. As you have pointed out, ever person has their own individual needs. My wife is lactose intolerant so she can't have cow's milk. Even soy can cause her issues. But rice milk works fine for her. Even then she is short of calcium and needs to take supplements.

As our kids got older, we backed away from 2% to 1% and then to skim. We never really noticed a big difference since it was done over time. I usually have my milk on granola every morning and sometimes a glass as you said, when the meal goes well with it. So if I don't eat enough greens or other calcium rich foods throughout the day, I sometimes take a calcium supplement to reach my daily requirement.

There are substitutes out there for most all foods, even meat. But when doing that, a person needs to look at all the values to make sure they are shorting themselves in one area by filling another area. Since I am on low sodium, it makes it even harder since salt is used to make up for many of the other things we avoid or limit.

So, I would just say that each person needs to check their wants and needs and pay attention to all the goods and bads of their choices. Keep the faith.



FAITHY-
Posts: 7
6/8/12 1:34 P



I don't have an allergy or any other medical reason for switching from cows milk to alternative milk sources. But I'm NOT one to just pour a glass of milk and drink it either unless it's with a meal that "tastes" good with milk, I may drink a glass then. I really don't care for the taste of cows milk but I may enjoy a mug of cocoa with my son during his "evening" drink, see below for more details on that.

I've started drinking a smoothie or two of fruit/veg a day and to that I have been adding vanilla almond milk or sometimes vanilla coconut milk to it along with some fruit juice as the liquid. I use frozen fruit instead of ice. If it's for a meal I may add some protein powder to give extra protein to my diet.

So I ask those this, is there a good reason to switch from cows milk to say almond milk? Not just for me but for the entire household?


Only the kids in the house are big milk drinkers.

My oldest daughter (15) has a serious weight problem and she would drink skim milk by the gallon if I would let her.

My middle daughter doesn't have a weight problem (she's 8) but my son (age 11 but has the same size body frame as my 8 year old, well he's actually 10 lbs less than her) has a weight issue but it's the opposite. I'm trying to get him to gain weight so he gets 2 drinks a day with 2% milk with added carnation instant breakfast and flavored coffee creamer to bulk up his calories. Now that I'm drinking smoothies in the morning he finds he enjoys the smoothies in the mornings and I add the carnation instant breakfast and some protein powder to that for him. He has ADHD along with aspergers, sleep disorder and mood disorder. Would coconut milk be a better alternative for him since it's a little higher in fat than the 2% he's getting now? Or should I keep him on the 2%

My husband has heart disease in his family, both his parents died from massive heart attacks. My mother had high blood pressure all her life but passed away from cancer, but her sisters have high blood pressure. My maternal grandmother had multiple strokes the last 20+ years of her life. And I've had surgery for pancreatic cancer this past fall. It was the rarer type that is non-aggressive slow growing but just as deadly if not treated. It was found by accident after an unexplained blood clot. So I just required surgery with no follow up treatment needed other than routine CT scans to make sure it doesn't come back. I had a long recovery with complications and all that trauma triggered fibromyalgia. (were thinking according to my doctor)


Were trying to eat healthier in our house as a general rule for everyone. Were eating more raw foods than we have before. Most suppers (evening meal) consist of cooked meat and the rest is raw, as compared to everything cooked. And at least two meals a week now are now meatless. (using tofu or beans as the proteins in those meals) I do have a juicer so we sometimes juice fruits/veggies and we also enjoy some of the green goodness juice that Bolthouse makes because it has the extra greens in it and I can get it fairly local. http://bolthouse.com/our-products/beverage
s/smoothies/green-goodness/detail



I'm trying to learn how to eat healthier, not just for me but for the whole family. I've tried doing google research on the whole cows milk issue VS alternative milks and it seems most articles are a little basis either way depending on the author.

Any thoughts?



 
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