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DRAGONCHILDE SparkPoints: (58,406)
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3/24/13 4:24 P

What works for a body builder is not going to necessarily work for those of us who are just trying to lose weight. If you are feeling bloated and overfull, then his recommendations are into suitable for your body.

I'm sure he means well, but unless you are a 157 lb body builder (and male) then I would not think that his recommendations can apply to you. Especially since being a body builder doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. ;) I've heard some pretty silly stuff from self-proclaimed body builders, and they often operate on old or out of date advice, or even things they've heard from others at the gym. Not all (or even most) but I would honestly say your own evidence should be enough to prove to you that perhaps he might not be the best person to talk to about this.

(Although as a side note, gaining weight over t he course of a day is not an indicator of anything; our weight can shift as much as 5-6 pounds in a single 24 hour period... or even more!)

Edited by: DRAGONCHILDE at: 3/24/2013 (16:25)
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MICHELLEXXXX SparkPoints: (8,853)
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3/24/13 3:22 A

I think it is important to listen to your body.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
JUMP888 SparkPoints: (11,831)
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3/24/13 2:42 A

He said that after computing macros for a specific daily deficit, that I can therefore ignore my calorie counting. Like what you mentioned - the calories take care of themselves if you've set your macros right.

He's a family member who's proficient at macro calcs and nails his to get his body to cut or bulk as he designs his program. He's not a nutritionist. He went from an obese 290 lbs to 157 lbs. He lifts heavy and is body building to fill loose skin.

I could barely eat all the food the macros he calculated dictated. I am 3 pounds heavier tonight! I was beating my weight loss goal before this. I feel bloated and overfull so far, not tight.

EDIT to add; I eat clean, mainly organic, whole food.

Edited by: JUMP888 at: 3/24/2013 (02:45)
DRAGONCHILDE SparkPoints: (58,406)
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3/23/13 1:41 P

Just out of curiosity, was this person a registered dietician? Do you know what kind of credentials they had to be dispensing advice to someone else about their weight loss?

If not, I would be cautious before accepting their advice. Not that people who aren't registered dieticians can't give you good advice, but if it's someone like a personal trainer or a supplement hawker, you can't really trust their credentials.

There's something to be said for it, because if your macros are where they're supposed to be, likely your calories are too; but you can't really have one without the other. There is one way to lose weight: Eating fewer calories than you burn. All calories are not created equal, and yes, there is such a thing as unhealthy foods which can hurt your body, but if you meet your macro goals and your calories are over what you're burning, you're not going to lose weight, plain and simple.

You do need to eat a balanced, healthy diet that meets your body's nutritional needs, but if you lose weight while doing so, it's because you managed to eat fewer calories than you burned.

Although it seems to me like trying to track all your macros is just as complicated as counting calories, in the end.

Edited by: DRAGONCHILDE at: 3/23/2013 (13:44)
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ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,924
3/23/13 1:00 P

I've used fitday.com for years to track my food. It produces a graph (a pie chart and other graphs) of the macronutrients you've eaten for the day, as you add foods. Whatever the goals of my current dieting efforts, what I tend to 'return to' is pretty stable. It's kind of surprising. I don't low-carb, and I eat lots of fiber and I minimize fat, particularly saturated fat. Whatever my strategies for the day, whatever my choices, with those few guidelines in mind, I tend to have pretty much the same macronutrient composition to my diet. It's been a very healthy approach for me (got kudos from my doctor).

MICHELLEXXXX SparkPoints: (8,853)
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3/23/13 8:41 A

I feel healthier and leaner on higher protein, higher fat, lower carb. I track micros as well.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
JUSTEATREALFOOD Posts: 1,794
3/23/13 8:26 A

Something I've learned is that everybody is different. We all need different percentages of macros. For example, I find when I eat a diet that is high in fat and lower in carbohydrate and moderate in protein, I can maintain my weight without counting calories. My husband has lost and maintained his weight on a high carbohydrate, moderate fat and low protein diet.

I do not believe weight loss is all about calories in/out. I believe that the quality of those calories and the macros play a very important role in how the body processes those calories. Think 400 calories from pure sugar vs. 400 calories from nuts. The body will be able to use the calories from the nuts to build and repair the body in all kinds of ways that pure sugar never can.

I believe you have to get healthy to lose weight, not lose weight to get healthy.

Eating foods that are whole and unprocessed is the key to health.

Best of luck on your journey.


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I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free. And it's changed my life!

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Keeping my blood sugar levels low eating 60-70% fat /15-20% carb / 15-20% protein.
JENNILACEY SparkPoints: (80,279)
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3/23/13 8:01 A

The only reason this person would have had success would be because they had inadvertently created a calorie deficit. Macros have little too do with weightloss. Fat loss occurs when you burn more calories than you consume. If you consume more calories than you burn, it doesn't matter where those calories are coming from; protein, carbs, fat... those excess calories will be converted in to fat. So how many calories you are consuming is vital and the foundation of *every* weight loss program. Whether they try to disguise that fact, or not.

It is normal to lose a lot of weight when you first introduce changes to your eating habits. However, if you want to lose weight consistently and reach your goal weight, you will have to keep track of your calories in vs. calories out. Manipulating your macros and having that result in weight loss would be the equivalent of switching from soda to water and having that result in weight loss. Sure, it might initially result in weight loss because you're consuming less calories than you once did. But it won't carry you through a 20+ lbs of weight loss.

Really, if you're just starting out with weight loss you don't have to use any gimmicks. Just stick with the Spark plan. It carried me through 55 lbs of weight loss in 8 months.

Edited by: JENNILACEY at: 3/23/2013 (08:04)

Take your focus off the Marshmallow.

www.leangains.com/2010/01/marshmallo
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"Toning" is marketing muscles to women who are afraid if they pick up a barbell, they'll leave the gym looking like She-Hulk. It doesn't happen, what does happen is you get results. Lifting Barbie weights does nothing but waste time.
JUMP888 SparkPoints: (11,831)
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3/23/13 2:24 A

I was advised to ignore calories and focus on macros.
I dropped 4 pounds my 1st week doing intermittent fasting and SparkPeople recommendations.

The person advising me to focus only on macros has had success and says I'm not eating enough calories. Thinking of giving it a try - any thoughts?

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