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CHELSEA232 SparkPoints: (0)
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12/3/10 12:48 P

Don't give up! I am also in the same boat as you, and I know how hard it can be to lose the weight :( Just keep up with what you are doing. Are you exercising regularly? That was the toughest part for me I found.

Anyway good luck :)

Chelsea,

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AREIS777 SparkPoints: (0)
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6/18/10 9:25 P

thank you to everyone. I just joined this 2 days ago because I needed to SEE what I was eating. I dont know why or how to make you see my tracking. But I will try. Thanks again for the replys.
Angela

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6/18/10 7:05 P

I can't really add anything else that others have not said. I've tried Atkins, south beach, Starvation, 2 years ago WW. I lost 35lbs @ WW and its still off. I'm doing Spark because I love tracking and seeing what I'm actually eating. I want balance in my food and I want it to be good food. I eat WW breads, pasta, brown rice, in small doses. Lots of salads with my own dressing that has only 1 tsp olive oil. I make a Bean Sprout egg drop soup that I love, have 1% cottage cheese and berries every morning for a snack. My calorie intake sometimes doesn't surpass 1100 but sometimes, like tonite, it'll be smidge over 1200. My range is 1200-1300 a day. I make sure that I track everything BEFORE I go out so I know I won't cheat. Its amazing how much you can eat for so few calories, but also very healthy food!
I don't really NEED to lose the extra 5 lbs, I just want to be able to not have to worry so much about gaining so I'm training myself but good!!
Hope things work out for you. Remember, it's not an overnight fix. It took years to get there it'll take a little bit to go back to where you want to be.

ROXIECAT Posts: 10
6/18/10 6:45 P

Figuring out how much 2 cups of lettuce is what got me side tracked. I could not figure out how to measure by cups; I bought a food scale and began to measure by weight. I need to consult online carb charts, but that does work better.
I used the Nutrition Tracker only to figure out carb and fiber, so it was not utilized correctly.
Going forward, though, I have renewed determination.
Thanks again, friends. smiles

TRILLIANTOO SparkPoints: (40,805)
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6/18/10 6:25 P

Low carbing gets a lot easier, and you get past that "fear of eating / fear of gaining weight" thing when you have added a good chunk of carbs back.

I lose weight far more effortlessly now than I did when I was in the early stages. Meals are a delight, and easy, there's just so much food! And I lose weight!


I looked more closely at your original post and that's definitely not the right way to go about it. You need at least 1-2 cups leafy greens (or 1 cup leafy greens and 1 cup virtually no carb veggies like white button mushrooms, cucumber, celery) and at MINIMUM 2 cups non-starchy carbs.

I found also going by "cups" didn't quite work, nor did following the carb counts in the book.

Measuring by grams really did it for me - then I put in what I'm eating and can hit the numbers instead of guesstimating (and often being off by 5-10 net grams ... which is critical when you're aiming for 20! or anwyhere up to about 50!)



About the ketone sticks, they really aren't necessary - I never used them, but instead went by carb counts, my weight, and my measurements to stay on track.

And tracking is important - Areis, we can't see yours, and RoxieCat you don't have much tracked.

Without tracking you really don't know what you're REALLY doing, and if you're on target or not. And also we can't offer much suggestion for nudging your diet if we can't even see what you're eating.



For the no starchy carbs, if that's what the doctor said, then that's fine. But you need carbs, and a lot of carbs to fuel a good workout.

Even not talking carbs, low carbs, simply if you're not eating enough for the level of activity you won't lose weight - and the harder you work out, the more calories you need to lose weight.




ROXIECAT Posts: 10
6/18/10 6:07 P

You know, Areis, I am learning to just not stop for any reason, no matter how encouraged or discouraged I get. For nearly 7 monts I have been trying to make this work; not making progress physically but I am realizing that I can stick to something once I make up my mind. That is a great result for me; when I or if I decide to change course, I know I will be able to stick to that, as well. And also, I have learned that making the decision is the biggest step. I can always make another one if that one doesn't work out. smiles

AREIS777 SparkPoints: (0)
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6/18/10 6:04 P

she seriously said NO wheat, rice, potatoes, oats (grains of any kind) no flour. It's for a month and then she will slowly introduce maybe some brown rice and lentils. Measurements haven't changed either. I do feel stronger though. I am thinking it is the quitting smoking that has messed up my metabolism. Also, I have been eating less than 2000 calories a day. P90x suggests about 2500 for me. I am just afraid it will make it worse. None the less, I am going to keep on keeping on.

ROXIECAT Posts: 10
6/18/10 6:02 P

Yes, I can understand the fear of gaining weight; never before have I been so afraid of eating! What a reality to face. Well, today I had my gouda cheese and am now having a bowl of romaine lettuce with homemade antipasta made from deli ends. Olive oil, some red wine vinegar, and then a cup of coffee.
Keeping track of what I eat became a chore but I will start again. Have a blessed weekend, all; good to meet you. smiles

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6/18/10 5:31 P

Have you been doing your measurments? If you're getting smaller, then it's working.

Otherwise, are you getting enough calories? From what I understand p90x is a quite intensive exercise program - you may need to increase your calories.

And I find when I'm exercising hard, I just can't do it, can't maintain my energy, can't be full, can't lose weight, unless I add some starchy carbs. I know you have to be gluten free, but potatoes, rice, and seed-like grains don't have gluten.

And you have to get enough of everything, enough carbs (even if you're not adding starches or fruit), enough protein, enough fat - everything in the right balance.



AREIS777 SparkPoints: (0)
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6/18/10 5:00 P

My doctor put me on a zero sugar, no gluten, no fruit except the occasional blackberry or strawberry, basically Atkins diet. I am doing p90x religiously for the last 7 weeks and at the same time quit smoking. I have been on this diet for 3 weeks now and have not lost one single pound in 7 weeks! What am I doing wrong? Getting discouraged but keep plugging along at it. Uggggg....

KOSHIE1 SparkPoints: (117,626)
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6/18/10 4:58 P

hopefully, you are tracking your food daily along with adding comments about how you feel regarding what you ate. Those records are invaluable when figuring out how to lose weight for yourself personally. For instance, no matter how many carbs I thought I ate, eating out would ALWAYS cause me weight gain. I too reached a point of total frustration with my limited Atkins diet... I was terrified about regaining even a fraction of the weight. I was trying too hard; and trying to go too fast, I learned.

So allow yourself to regain a couple pounds slowly as you adjust your diet efforts. Allow your body to get accustomed to the fact that it weighs less and is still healthy (this is a plateau!). Your body will finally realize it can let go of the weight, and weight loss WILL resume if you don't give up. Practice patience!

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6/18/10 3:50 P

Sounds like you're having a very wide range of calorie intake, and that could be part of the problem.

I do best if I stick pretty much right to my target. I'm not always exact of course, but I do best if I get close to 1500, vs, 1200-2000 over the course of the week.



ROXIECAT Posts: 10
6/18/10 3:16 P

Thnx, Trilliantoo; last night I added 5 grams of green beans, and this evening I will do the same.
I know the diet works, but the variables are so many.
Two more weeks, to the end of the month, and I will see if adding the carbs, more protein, and fewer calories helps, although my calorie count is often between 100 and 1600, even with the cheese.
Have a blessed weekend.
Colleen

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6/18/10 2:11 P

It's really important to add carbs after the Induction period - reducing carbs from the 20 net grams isn't healthy.

Yes, weight loss happens when you increase your carbs! It does work, but you have to do it right.

So for instance with Induction, you want 12-15 of those net grams from veggies. When you add carbs, focus on adding more veggies, and in the order indicated.


I don't know ANYONE who had the kind of rapid weight loss they experienced on Induction. Many people drop a chunk of weight (and that number varies) that two week period, then tends to drop off to about 1-2 lbs per week, same as other eating programs.

I know a LOT of people who stall in their weight loss or gain weight when they try to STAY at 20 net grams carbs (or who try to eat less).


Also in terms of weight loss and exercise, it's common to actually gain weight for as much as 4-6 weeks when starting an exercise program.

So be patient with it, and do your measurements too.

I've been "doing Atkins" now for several years, it can be a very healthy lifestyle, but you have to do it right.

Oh, and the calories is a good point - in theory you don't have to count calories with Atkins, but I found I was pretty much getting around 1200 calories and couldn't lose weight with that. I had to bump it up to at least 1500 to really notice a difference.

And meds can be a problem - NSAIDs can stall weight loss. I'd been taking Advil and Aleve for chronic pain. Once I stopped taking them, I had greater weight loss results.

Other meds can interfere with weight loss too, and if your meals are high soduim ... there are a lot of variables.



ROXIECAT Posts: 10
6/18/10 2:02 P

If nothing else, I have proven to myself that I can be diligent!
I think I will try to add more protein and keep track of calories for a couple of weeks; I have so much time into this.
If no improvement, then I will just fast a couple days to give my body a break and then ease into the next approach.
God bless everyone, and thanks for the feedback!
smiles

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6/18/10 11:02 A

I have tried Atkins (and South Beach and WW and Metabolic); all worked initially but then I regained the weight. I used to be able to stay in a healthy weight range without any trouble. Over the last 9-10 years, I have gained and lost the same 20 pounds. I have to work VERY hard not to go back back up and I have been unable to get my BMI back to a healthy range (only need to lose ~8 more pounds to get there). It is discouraging.
I have found that the balanced approach works best for energy and health; keeping on the high end of the protein recommendation helps me stay full longer.
Good luck to all. Any suggestions to drop the last 8-10 pounds would be appreciated!

LAUREN129 Posts: 648
6/18/10 10:54 A

I would also like to add that often times the initial weight loss with a low carb diet is almost purely water. Carbs make your cells retain glucose in them, so when you stop eating carbs drastically, your body burns this glucose and you eliminate it, which causes you to rapidly lose water weight. After a while though, this is no longer the case as you don't have the water weight to lose.


Also, I agree with the poster that said you probably are just getting too many calories over all. I have heard many times that part of the reason that people lose weight on the Atkins diet is because they are eating less calories because a) they are eating things like salad and protein without extra calories, and b) they get so bored with the limited items they can eat that they end up not really wanting to eat at all.

At the end of the day, much of weight loss is just calories in, calories out. I don't think this is the absolute equation, because some calories (ie processed foods) have a different effect on your body than others, but if you are eating 2000 calories per day and expending only 1500, you are going to gain weight. I would recommend a lowER carb diet that stays within a calorie range. I don't eat many carbs for the most part, and I've seen it make a huge different in how I feel, but I do eat natural carbs like fruit, and even sometimes whole grain carbs like small amounts of pasta.

ROXIECAT Posts: 10
6/18/10 10:17 A

Thanks, everyone. I was so frustrated this morning after getting off the scale.
I also use olive oil, make my own antipasta with olive oil, and take multivits, fish oil, and flax oil caps.
Trying to make Atkins work sort of became an obsession, I guess. I just cannot do it, or it just does not work. Those ketone strips continually register color.
Anyway, weight has become such a discouraging issue. I am 5'2" and weigh (today) 148 lbs. That is just unacceptable, and I cannot grasp it. Until two or three years ago, I maintained 118-123 with no effort.
Well, I will soon give this up and try once again with something else. I have tried low calorie; just cannot get through the day physically or mentally. Low fat made me gain.
Thanks again.

CLIMBERCHICK14 Posts: 11,246
6/18/10 9:39 A

It sounds like for one all your fat is in the form of saturated fats (ie butter). You want to focus on meeting your nutritional goals via healthy food. Ie mono and polyunsaturated fats that can be found in fish like Salmon, olive oil, nut butters, nuts, etc.

Next, your body NEEDS carbs to be healthy and function properly. And you certainly need them for energy and if you plan on exercising, carbs are a must. Instead of focusing on the number of carbs you're eating, focus on the quality of carbs you're consuming. Veggies, fruits, whole grains, beans, etc. You need fiber and with extremely low carb diets, it's hard to get the fiber your body needs daily.

Are you eating enough protein? Cheese is loaded in fat even though it's low in carbs. How about munching on some edamame, veggies, fruit, etc.

A healthy weight loss lifestyle consists of exercise and healthy eating but via a BALANCED diet.

KLEVERKIRA Posts: 1,099
6/18/10 9:32 A

That sounds awful! Your body can't possibly be getting what it needs on that plan.
Try adding in some healthy carbohydrates. You don't have to immediately gorge yourself on pasta, but try a baked sweet potato or something.
As others have said, for sustainable weight loss and a healthy life, the Atkins diet is not really feasible.

JANET0116 Posts: 671
6/18/10 9:10 A

You are probably consuming too many calories. I do a lower carb diet than SP recommends, but I still stay within calorie range. I mainly do the lower carb because it helps me reduce that 'shaky/hungry' feeling I get on a higher carb diet. But I stay between 100-140 g/day (sometimes higher), not 20 or even worse 0!

My nutrition tracker is public, feel free to look around for meal ideas.

I recommend just starting over with a new mindset - that you will eat a healthy, balanced diet for the majority of the time, for the rest of your life. Put your weight loss goals further out - shoot for .5 to 1 lb. loss per week. I have lost almost 20 lbs since Jan. 5th with Sparkpeople! Slow and steady wins the race

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NIRERIN Posts: 12,035
6/18/10 8:05 A

well, for starters, if you're about 5'6", you don't necessarily have any weight to lose. it's also true if you're taller, but you might have some wiggle room if you're shorter. the point being that huge changes are going to be making your life more difficult in terms of weight loss.
it depends on how much you are actually eating [in calories not carbs]. from what you say you eat, that could be anywhere from 500 cals to 2000 cals a day. and if you are eating in the upper realm of that, but you're only burning, say 1800 cals a day, that means you will be gaining a pound every sixteen or seventeen days. if you're eating on the low end, then your body is cutting back on everything it can, and when you eat more it's going to stay for longer.

and since the ketone strips have proven that you are where you want to be in the diet, and it's still not working after six months, it's time to try something else. yes, if you go back to eating a normal and healthy amount of carbs you probably will put back on a few pounds in water weight. but you can start trying out what's going to actually work for you from there.

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6/18/10 7:50 A

You're right, what an awful diet!

I also suggest using the Spark plan to learn how to eat in a balanced manner. It's not healthy to cut out an entire macronutrient group.

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6/18/10 7:45 A

I am not sure you are going about the weight loss the right way. The best way to loose weight and stay healthy is to eat a balanced diet of nutritious foods. The SP meal plans will help you with that. I would suggest you look at it, even if you do not follow it for the first week, just check out the difference from what is suggested to what you are doing. You see the difference. SP helps you balance your intake with your output as well. You need to add exercise into you program if you have not done so already. Look at the total package and evaluate how you want to proceed. Don't give up, you can do this. Good luck.

ROXIECAT Posts: 10
6/18/10 6:30 A

This has come to the point of utter ridiculous: since before Christmas, I have been on Atkins. At first, 20 net grams seemed to work and I lost about five pounds. Then, I just coasted along with no more loss but occasional gain.
The last month I have reduced the carbs to nearly nothing and have been munching on gouda cheese (next ot no carbs) during the day, drinking coffee with cream, and then having nearly pure protein for dinner: hamburger with a slice of pickle, salmon cooked in buttery spread or butter, chicken with butter on it for fat.
Occasionally I eat three or four stalks of celery stuffed with cream cheese.
What an awful diet! But the ketone strips have color to them, sometimes moderate, mostly trace.
I am now two pounds heavier than I was in November.
WHAT more can I do to make this work?
Thanks

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