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5/30/10 12:27 P

LIIABALLERINA,

You're in a no win situation. If you lose the weight, it might get you that job with the premier ballet company. The drawback is you risk your health if your body fat goes too low.

What to do ? I personally think it's unfair that the company judges a person's dancing ability by their weigh in. It strikes me that if you're that good a dancer, they should be judging you by your talent and not your weight.

If you did strength train, you could get your body into a smaller size. But, that might mean the scale goes up because of your increase in lean muscle. that's the trade off i.e. smaller size, but higher scale weight.

It is possible for you to lose the weight. the other catch 22 in this situation is that if you lose weight, you'll be losing body fat and muscle. That's bad. Losing muscle means you lose strength, not to mention your body's ability to burn fat. That is what will happen if you try to lose 5-7 pounds.

I suppose the question is how badly do you want to dance for this company ?

RENA1965 Posts: 17,878
5/30/10 9:42 A

Being a certain weight is unfair but it exists in best of health especially in ballet world and dance companies and gymnastics.. Sad that it exists talent spotter want the best of the best- but they have norms we couldn't fight that makes ballet and some sports what they are.. At 40 people in the ballet world still have alot to offer but most retire simply because of aging and it is darn hard to keep the same energy levels as the young people.. Margot Fonteyn was still dancing at 52 years but she was something else- most other dancers would have retired long time before beening told to retire..
Talents scouts do what they are told, and if they choose someone not right for the position their jobs are on the line too..
Complaining may get a person black listed.. Even in the horse racing world there are not many women or men whom genetically can hold many years unless unnaturally small in build- you get over the accepted weight they can fire you without a blink of a eye.. Trainers can say okay keep riding but they answer to the owner whom owns the darn horse whom can do what he likes.. His horse his say- if not happy with the trainer or the rider heads roll on the chopping block..
Unfair but if you keep growing and are trim of build it is poor bad luck! Not something you can complain about or sue people for or starve ones self to a eating disorder for! Growing and changing is life lol... And women have to put on weight when going into child baring ages.. Russia did alot of bad stuff to keep their gymnastic girls small, being larger and slower didn't win medals at the olympics..
Some of these girls where stumped in their growth and didn't have periods until well up in age!! No one complained or sued them for doing that did they?
People tried to copy twiggy- stop the bus here. She in her own words was a twig as a teenager- she actually ate alot. Now as a mature women- twiggy is no twiggy anymore or disagrees with the promoters whom pumped her look.. At 16 years of age she was a kid whom wasn't wise to the world, and doesn't agree with people following in her foot steps..
She "was" a natural and some people can't mimic naturals!

Edited by: RENA1965 at: 5/30/2010 (10:15)
ANARIE Posts: 12,409
5/30/10 3:05 A

If you don't have excess body fat, then you can't lose it. At 20%, if that's an accurate measurement, you might have a percent or two to play around with depending on your body type. I think all you can do is follow a healthy diet with cardio and strength training, and see what happens. If you can lose weight (or at least body fat), you will; if you don't lose anything, you'll know that your body is at the best point it can be. I do think strength training is probably your best option IF you can get the company to accept a decrease in body fat and/or measurements instead of going strictly by weight.

You might also quietly contact any professional organizations or press outlets you can think of to spread the news that this particular company is pressuring dancers to drop to an unhealthy weight. If they're associated with any schools or hire very young dancers, that might have an impact since eating disorders are such a huge danger for girls in ballet. You don't really have any legal rights, but spreading a little moral outrage is a good thing.

RENA1965 Posts: 17,878
5/29/10 10:11 P

when at a heatlhy weight you have to move alot more.. I have been 139,2 lbs and now keep stable at 65kgs..
I have to walk about 8 to 10 km's daily to be ating the recommended 2000-2300 recommended here and by my professional concept I used to loss weight.
I also strength train 3 times a week at body building level..
2000 calories is the normal food intake for a average weight very active women..
I lost weight because being in the health sector sometimes we have to drive aggressively at people to watch their food intake when they get the message change your lifestyle or die message from hospital..
It is double moral to be fat and telling overweight and sick people to watch what they eat.. I get alot of respect and less aggressive replies when they see my before photo.. I think it is okay if my employer asks overweight co-workers to loss weight and strength train like when people turn up late or forget to phone in sick- some of them really flip hard to reach clients off.. Think also that as a resthome helper my body is my tool of the trade, one wrong moving of a client can slip discs in the back, pull muscles and omg.. My new look has I have gotten help into homes were other co-workers have been booted out the door for seeming to be rude (forgetting to look in their own mirror)..
Some of my clients jaws drop but you look normal, I can't imagine where you had the weight. I had for one women removed my jeans and showed her my plastic surgery for extra skin.. I was accepted, my boss sighed with relief and no complains- she was ready to take a bath and no one complained about her body smell at the center she turned up to get her medications again.. I encouraged her to loss 50kgs, she needed to see someone whom had been through the process..

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I did 6 years of aerobics and had no muscle definition on my arms or legs..
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I think I look better now doing both cardio and strength training considering I have been 139,2kgs (306lbs) My boss also noticed my lack of sick days too..

Get help from a registered dietian if your job possiblities are being threatened, so you do this journey safely. I understand you want this job badly-however sometimes the evolution of the womens body can work against many women crushing dreams..

Edited by: RENA1965 at: 5/29/2010 (22:37)
LIIABALLERINA Posts: 2
5/29/10 9:57 P

I've never heard of toning up as a way to look thinner overall. It certainly sounds like a better option.
Right now, I have a bmi of 20.2, and I have a 20% body fat percentage. at 107 pounds, losing the required weight would put me in an underweight category. I have been advised, with my activity level, to not go below 1400 calories a day, and this isn't counting the extra hour of cardio I have recently added.

I think researching has just confused me even more, furthermore, I'm a little afraid of what might happen if I don't lose the required weight (I've been given a month's time line, and there might be weigh-in.) I have been given such an amazing opportunity with a very well-known ballet company, I would be crushed if it didn't work out.

KSHAGGY Posts: 1,682
5/29/10 9:21 P

I would imagine that it is harder, but maybe if you compare percentages it's the same....of course if a 200 lb person loses 1% that's 2 lbs and if a 100 lb person loses 1% that's .01 (I think), so I think it balances out. No picnic either way!

MISS_SCOOTER Posts: 29
5/29/10 6:01 P

I have this same problem. I am a runner, and the coach wants me to drop a certain amount of weight. The weight he wants me to get to is actually in the underweight section of the BMI! Although I don't think I want to go that low, I still need to bring it down pretty close, as it's what he wants, there's not much I can do.

It will be harder since you have less to lose, but good luck with your weight loss and dancing! I hope all goes well.

2CRAZYBOYS Posts: 346
5/29/10 3:25 P

I thinks it's extremely hard for a thin person to loose a lil weight or tone up :( I agree with everyone thus far some great advice! What are their expectations? Maybe you are thin but they want you toned?? Add a lil strength training thus will make you burn more calories. Are you making healthy food choices? Cut out soda or junk food, drink more water. Good luck! Keep us updated! Congrats on the new opportunity!



Edited by: 2CRAZYBOYS at: 5/29/2010 (15:25)
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5/29/10 3:06 P

Yes, it is harder to lose any weight when you're already at a healthy BMI. Why ? As a woman, you're supposed to carry some body fat. It's called essential fat and without it, we'd lose our menstrual period. Without our periods, we're at high risk for a number of different diseases.

So, your body will fight you if your weight does go too low. What's too low ? If you're period has stopped, it's too low.

The problem is that the media and fashion industry have convinced ALL women that they are fat. Example, is Jennifer Love Hewitt fat ? Not in the least, but we kept seeing pictures of her in the grocery store rags that said she was fat.

How about all those photos of celebs with all that dreaded cellulite ? gasp ! In short, women tend to think that they are fat when they really aren't. They just aren't as thin as the models in the magazines. Which I might say is not the norm for the average female. We do come in many shapes and sizes.

Now, here's something to consider... instead of trying to lose fat, why not increase your lean muscle instead ? You may find the results much more attractive i.e. defined and sculpted muscles.

By increasing your lean muscle with strength training, you can maintain your current weight and yet wear smaller sized clothes.

If your goal is to wear a smaller size, then opt for strength training if you're already at a healthy weight. If you try to lose fat your body doesn't want you to lose, then it will fight you. Once again, as women, we are supposed to carry some fat in order to be healthy.



MISSRITAPITA Posts: 8
5/29/10 1:41 P

I'm at 126 right now and I'm trying to get down to 115. The minimum calories recommended for ANYONE, I believe, is 1200. So if you eat that much and workout every day, you will probably lose the weight that you want.

When you are already thin, it is definitely harder to lose weight, especially when there's not much fat to lose.

LIIABALLERINA Posts: 2
5/29/10 12:25 P

Is it harder? in your opinion. Right now, I'm at a healthy BMI, with a pretty lean body fat percentage. However, my healthy weight is posing a problem in regards to my dancing, I've been asked to lose anywhere from five to ten pounds from the company that just hired me, and I am entirely confused.

I've done tons of research, checked my BMR, compared HIT vs. low Intensity cardio, etc...

I realized that a lot of these diet programs are for people trying to gain a healthy, lean weight. But what about the people who need to go beyond that? Will a regular diet plan of about 1400 calories a day with an hour of cardio (Added to my dancing) 5 times a week, theoretically, continue to keep a person losing weight until their desired amount? Even if it's bordering underweight?

Yes, I know this may be unhealthy, but what do you do? You either lose the weight, or you don't get your contract, and I'm trying to do this as healthy as possible.

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