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5/19/14 7:51 P

Russell, when I first started eating all the veggies I was still eating some high carb foods, but gradually I quit craving them. Recently, when the pain started coming back, I was still eating low carb, and was still eating a lot of veggies other than kale. That's what made me think it was the kale that did the trick. Doesn't matter. I love it and will probably stick to eating it. I don't eat a lot of salads because I prefer hot food, so I would rather have the veggies cooked. Salads are a once in a while thing, or just a side salad before a meal.

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5/19/14 4:24 P

I will admit that I haven't tried eating it yet. I "drink" it. I make a veggie/fruit smoothie every morning. I put kale & spinach in it or just 1 of them. I find "drinking" my fruits & veggies a whole lot easier than eating it. Much better than looking at my 5-8 fruits & thinking, when am I going to eat all that! Just throw it all in a blender & blend away!

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,411
5/19/14 3:09 P

I don't really like Kale, but that recipe sounds too good to pass up. Will give it another chance

5/19/14 2:59 P

Thanks, PACAROLSUE, I'll try that. It sounds good with the onions, garlic and mushrooms. I know there's baby kale in some of the packages of spring mix greens I buy, and it's tolerable in a bowl with mixed greens, but just by itself as a salad, no. I will check the interenet for some other cooked kale recipes.

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
5/19/14 10:28 A

I have to limit greens due to being on Coumadin, but I think people only think of them as salads a lot, and they can be included in stir fry, if minced up, just like onions, mushrooms etc.

I eat low carb, and had the same experience. My pains went away when I upped veggies, and had it with a little meat. Not sure whether it was something I cut out, like pop/sweets/ pasta/ cereal, or the increase in vitamins, and nutrients from eating all my veggies. I really don't care.

I do know that the increase in fats helps control my cravings, along with obviously not eating added sugar. I expected the lack of hunger, but didn't really pay attention to pain, because I just thought it was part of being over 30. When it went away, I was surprised at how good I felt, and was able to increase exercise, and still not have any aches and pains.

I find veggies to be amazing, and as you up the amount you eat, you just tend to cut other things out of your diet. Since most foods are not as healthy as veggies, especially leafy greens, there is bound to be health benefits. I feel so much better at 40, than I did at 30.

Hope the Kale does the trick. You may want to look back, and see if you cut something out too. You may have done so without realizing it. Either of these, or the combination of both could be the reason. Figure it out, and you will have less pain. Much better to fix something with diet, than taking Ibuprofen, or some other pill.

Enjoy your kale!

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5/19/14 9:18 A

Carrie, I don't like it raw in salads either. It's too tough. I have mixed it in with collard greens and mustard greens, but I found that if I buy all three it goes bad before I can use it all. I don't add any bacon or sugar with mine. First I saute onions, garlic and mushrooms, then add the chopped cleaned kale on top and put a lid on it. It takes about 20-30 min for it to wilt down over low heat, adding a bit of water or stock if it dries out. If you like spinach cooked that way you will like the kale also IMO. Very similar.

5/19/14 8:26 A

I am trying to like kale. I bought a package of baby kale for salads, and didn't care for it, it had a sour taste to the leaves. I guess I need to cook it like spinach? Or does it take longer, like collard greens? I love collard greens with vinegar and sugar and bacon, but that's probably not the most healthy thing.

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5/19/14 7:22 A

I guess it's telling that the dessert thread below this one has 12,000 posts and kale only has 20! LOL

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5/19/14 7:17 A

Kelly, my first experience with kale was making kale chips. I was not impressed. I guess since I don't eat many salty snacks the kale chips fell into that category, and to me they were like eating air. Since I had a lot of kale left I started looking online to find ways to prepare it and that's how I started eating it the way I prepare it.

Berry, I finally got my husband to eat fresh spinach by putting it in things like meatloaf and lasagne. He was eating lasagne with spinach for a good while before I told him. We use it on sandwiches in place of lettuce and he will also eat it in salad now. He still won't eat spinach or kale cooked. He says it looks like seaweed. It's so healthy, I put as much of it as I can in my food.

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KELLY_NZ Posts: 1,680
5/18/14 9:04 P

I have a bag of it sitting in my refrigerator..... I just don't know how to eat it lol
Someone has suggested making it into 'chips'.... hmm... just not that convinced yet! emoticon

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5/18/14 7:03 P

A couple of suggestions re. kale... We grow it almost 9 out of 12 months here in the Pacific North"wet".
There is a saying from the Dutch that kale tastes better "with the frost on it". (DH's family is from Holland.) -- I harvest a dish pan full of kale, rinse it well, pull all the leaves off the thick stem, and put it into 1-gal. ziploc bags (packed full), drained of the water from rinsing. I throw the bags into the freezer and then it is ready to use.
It is easy to chop or crush in the frozen state. I add it to meatloaf, stews, soups, sauces, and all sorts of cooked products. Kale is a great source of calcium and that is a mineral that does NOT cook out!

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5/18/14 2:35 P

EELPIE, I can't eat it raw, but love it cooked. When we go to Texas Roadhouse they put a big piece of raw kale on the plate for garnish. DH laughs because I put it in my take-out box with my leftovers then at home I put it with my own bunch of kale. I don't want them to throw it away! Everyone's tastes are different. I just happen to have taste buds that like that sort of thing, but can't stand sugary or salty things.

Do you like cooked spinach? It's really not much different than that.

QUEEN-EYDIE Posts: 12,469
5/18/14 1:04 P

Eelpie, that's hilarious! I've even some some salad bars with plastic kale as decoration.

More kale for me!

EELPIE Posts: 2,700
5/18/14 12:57 P

I just can't eat kale. Back in the stone ages, I worked at a place where we would line the salad bar with it, and that was it's only use.

I only recently learned that it was edible! emoticon

5/18/14 11:40 A

Yes, it's all shredded together. :) I eat it with their Asian spicy peanut dressing and a tablespoon of roasted unsalted sunflower seeds. Yum!

I have seen a similar blend at Costco, but that comes with a dressing and is a kit.

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5/18/14 11:34 A

I would say it's closer to spinach than cabbage, but it actually has it's own distinct taste. It's coarser and a bit chewier. I let mine simmer longer than normal because I like it really tender. What I usually do it saute some onions, garlic and sliced mushrooms in a bit of chicken stock. Then I add the chopped, cleaned kale. It piles up in the pan but cooks down. I add some black beans, put a lid on and turn the heat down low, let it simmer for about 20-30 min. Sometimes I top it with some Feta cheese if I have it. I go easy on the liquid because I don't want the nutrients to leak out into the liquid. I let the steam cook it, and just check it to make sure it doesn't dry out and burn.

The southern way of cooking kale and other greens is usually with fat back pork or bacon, but I don't want the fat. I thought I made up my recipe but I've seen it online almost exactly the same.

Edited by: PACAROLSUE at: 5/18/2014 (11:36)
EMSR2D2 Posts: 1,394
5/18/14 11:28 A

It tastes like ... kale! It looks a little like spinach and cabbage but it definitely has its own taste. And there are several varieties.

Mcitizen8 - could you stop posting in all capital letters please. It's the online equivalent of shouting!

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5/18/14 11:20 A

I also love brussels sprouts and cabbage. We don't have a Trader Joes near us. Are the brussels sprouts shredded in the salad? I have seen a couple recipes that include shredded brussels sprouts but I've never tried them.

Martha324 I also add beans to so many of my meals. I buy canned black beans. I put them in snack bags of 1/4 C each then put all the bags in a freezer bag and freeze them. When I want them I just take out a bag and they defrost quickly. I add them to my eggs in the morning and also to my kale or salads.

MARTHA324 Posts: 5,717
5/18/14 10:52 A

Over the last 2+ years I've gradually changed my eating and now eat a diet heavy on plants including kale. My salads at lunch are chock full of all sorts of veggies and beans. My taste preferences have definitely changed and I rarely want something that is overly sweet or salty; aka, "junk food."
Good you're geting back on the kale bandwagon!

5/18/14 10:42 A

I also did not grow up eating kale. I love it in the cruciferous salad from trader joes - shredded kale, Brussels sprouts, and cabbage. Lots of crunch!

QUEEN-EYDIE Posts: 12,469
5/18/14 10:29 A

Never underestimate the power of kale---in other words, it can't hurt! LOL But anything's possible. When I'm off sugar all my aches and pains go away. Do I simply have more energy and more likely to keep moving if I'm not having a sugar crash, or because I'm not eating a food that causes inflammation? We all find what works for us, the trick is paying attention and to keep doing it.

By the way, I've been reading Dr. Furhmans's books for a while now and am loving the style of eating he recommends!

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5/18/14 8:56 A

Anything is possible, but if my shoulder and hip pains go away when I start back eating the kale, I'm sticking with it! And I'm not pinning everything on it, just the aches and pains. I'm still fat. LOL

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5/18/14 8:35 A

It used to be that spinach was the only greens I ate and loved, but now I love Swiss chard and kale. Last night for supper I made beet greens and beans. I used to throw beet greens away now I love eating them.

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5/18/14 8:22 A

idk... I think a lot of times, there's more than just one factor involved. It *could* be the kale, but it could also be that while you weren't eating the kale, you also were doing or not doing something else. Not getting enough sleep, for example. Doing something a little differently for exercise. It can be really really hard to pin everything to just one food item. I don't personally believe that any one food item is any kind of miracle worker or the be-all and end-all. That said, kale is a good, nutritious choice and it's fabulous that you like it.

It reminds me of a co-worker who insisted he lost 30 pounds by just watching his sodium. To illustrate, he picked up a honey bun off the shelf and pointed out how much sodium it's got in it, and stated that he used to eat at least one a day. What he was totally overlooking was the fact that each honey bun had almost 1000 calories. He believed sodium was the "answer" for weight loss, when in reality excess sodium will cause you to retain water but fat loss is more calories in/calories out.

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5/18/14 7:50 A

Yes, I think that has a lot to do with it. Your body wants nutrition, not junk. If it's not getting it, it keeps wanting more and more, hoping that somewhere along the line it will get some nutrition. Give it nutrition and it's happy!

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5/18/14 5:46 A

I wonder if your cravings for junk food was because you were NOT eating properly in the first place. That is often the cause of cravings for junk.... a quick 'fill-me-up' fix that doesn't last very long, so you eat more junk. That in itself might be why you were losing weight - better nutrition but a lot less calories????


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5/18/14 5:32 A

All my life I've never eaten kale or any other greens. I recently have been reading Dr Joel Fuhrman's books, which place emphasis on vegetables and I have added a lot of new and different vegetables to my diet. One of them is kale, which he and many others rate as number 1 in nutritional value. I saute onions, garlic, and mushrooms, then add the chopped kale, cover it and let it wilt down. I have really developed a taste for it, and after eating it almost daily for a month I noticed that almost all my aches and pains were gone. I didn't know if it was the kale or not. Recently, in the past 2 or 3 weeks I haven't been buying it as much but have been eating other vegetables. My pains are coming back. So last night I bought a bunch of kale and am going to start back eating it regularly again to see if the pains go away again. I might add that during the time I was eating all this kale, I lost my cravings for junk food and was losing weight really well. Not so much now without it.

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