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9/11/13 9:29 A

I've started cutting back on dairy; but I have lactose intolerance (and a MAJOR cheese addiction!) Though I love it, it makes me gassy, bloated, and uncomfortable.

However, this is because I'm lactose intolerant... I've lost weight successfully to this point while eating plenty of cheese and other dairy products, and I'm not cutting it out completely, just cutting it back to a more reasonable level.

Dr. Oz is a corporate shill and an unethical medical professional AT BEST. He is not to be trusted, and has been criticised many times for his willingness to promote sketchy supplements and histrionic claims of deadly whatevers.

He's a terrible source of advice. Maybe once upon a time, he was a great surgeon, now he's no more reliable for medical advice than Jenny McCarthy.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,413
9/10/13 10:05 P

I agree with everyone that stated there is no need to give up dairy unless you have an allergy or an intolerance.

I don't like Dr Oz. He stated that he never said anyone should take diet supplements like Raspberry Ketone. When I heard him say so with my own ears. And on top of that in the next segment he promoted Green Coffee Bean. He is very slick and can get reasonable people (me) to believe anything. Not anymore, I woke up.

Like a previous poster stated I believe in one of his shows. He was touting the benefits of dairy

Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 9/10/2013 (22:06)
VKLINE326 Posts: 961
9/10/13 8:27 P

ROBINRC1 Posts: 151
5/27/13 10:21 P

Hi there. the choice to quit dairy is a personal one & I respect that.I can say that when I gave up dairy it was all I could think about,I missed cheese ,yogurt & ice cream a lot.Our country consumes great deal of dairy products & it has become a part of our culture.I am learning ways to deal with the emotional attachment & there are a great variety of substitutes. There is no golden rule that says your calcium ,vitamin d, or potassium have to come in the form of dairy,just remember if you are allergic to it , it is in almost everything. I cannot consume dairy without my stomach paying the price. Be patient ,Good luck on your journey! emoticon

BERKANA_T Posts: 138
5/27/13 1:28 P

Thanks for the suggestions JWoolman. I actually have the SoDelicious coconut ice cream in my freezer right now. I'm not supposed to have soy either, so that has limited some of my non-dairy options. I can have a small amount of soy though, thank goodness!

There's one grocery store in town here that has a decent selection of non-dairy options, but most tend to be focused more towards soy-based options. When we go into the city (about 4 1/2 hours away) I now have a plug in cooler for the vehicle so I can bring more non-dairy stuff back with me. I've tried the Daiya cheddar in soups, and it was phenomenal for adding the flavour. Otherwise, the texture is just not that nice. Seems to be a trend for non-dairy 'cheese'. But I'm adjusting and continually trying new things. I do have to say, going completely dairy free has lead me to try some new and interesting foods that I would never have dreamt of trying before!

Actually though, I'm finding that my cravings for dairy have continued to diminish. Every now and then I'll get a really strong craving, but it's generally rather short lived and I ride it out without too much difficulty. I've tried enough alternatives to know that there's something missing from them - texture and/or flavour usually; that prevents them from actually satisfying the cravings. That being said, one of these days I am going to get brave enough to try eating some of my favourite dairy-containings foods (I would have killed for extra cheesy lasagna the other night!), along with a bottle of lactaid pills and enzymes, just to see if I can do it. I'll have to plan that for a night that I don't work the next day, just in case the pills don't cut it though.

Edited by: BERKANA_T at: 5/27/2013 (13:29)
5/27/13 11:02 A

For me, stopping dairy stopped bloat, so it's been a wonderful choice.

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5/26/13 7:50 P

Berkana_T- you might check out the many non-dairy yoghurts (and ice cream!) available today. I am doomed if my local grocery store actually gets the SoDelicious "Purely Decadent" line of soy-based and coconut-based nondairy ice cream... or if i finally get my ice cream maker fixed so i can make my own from coconut milk. You actually can make your own nondairy yoghurt with any yoghurt maker, and nondairy starters are available. If you miss Parmesan cheese - Parma! is excellent for all the same uses or you could experiment with its simple ingredients: ground walnuts, nutritional yeast, and salt. Other ground nuts could also be tried. Nutritional yeast gives it a cheesy taste in particular. I actually like it better than Parmesan cheese. It's decent nutitionally also. A lot of vegan cheeses are not much to write home about, but Daiya cheese seems to be a real exception. Not much nutritional value, but if you're dying for the taste- that's it. Tofu blended with lemon juice can make a good substitute for sour cream in dips, dressings, and puddings (hold the lemon juice for that). There are several tofu-based commercial sour cream substitutes available today.

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5/26/13 7:29 P

Dairy isn't a universal food in all cultures (no pun intended...) and is not the only source of calcium. Just start tracking calcium in your foods some time to see. Humans can actually become more efficient in extracting nutrients such as iron and calcium from plant foods once "easy sources" are removed, and also many humans are not as good as you might think at utilizing dairy calcium. Anyone who is worried about calcium today if they need to drop dairy can find plenty of calcium supplements, including chewables. Humans are designed to utilize human milk for the first few years. But there is no natural imperative to be able to utilize the milk of other mammals lifelong. The norm around the world seems to be to lose lactase-generating ability (lactose intolerance) except in certain ethnic groups that maintained use of milk products from other animals for many many generations.

Interestingly enough, dairy allergy (different from lactose intolerance) is one allergy that tends to run in families while otherwise we seem to inherit a tendency toward allergy which can end up as allergies to different foods to which we are exposed (especially when the immune system us still immature). Since milk is so commonly used in the US, it's not surprising that dairy is one of the most common allergens (others include soy, peanuts, tree nuts, wheat, egg, and corn, also common ingredients in our foods). This is why now you will see labels indicating that a food contains such common allergens. Any part of the body can be involved in allergic reactions and the symptoms may change from childhood to adulthood. The allergies are often hard to recognize because the effects can be delayed. Lab tests have limited usefulness; for adults, the best approach is still to eliminate the food for a while, observe symptoms, then re-introduce and observe. Adults often accidentally find out about such allergies only when for some reason they either suddenly eliminate the allergen or suddenly start eating a lot more of it. If you have a chronic problem that seems a mystery (most doctors know very little about nutrition or food allergies other than the obvious ones that give you hives or send you into anaphylactic shock), it's not a bad idea to consider the possibility of an undiagnosed food allergy and to do some detective work.

Edited by: JWOOLMAN at: 5/26/2013 (19:32)
LDHAWKE SparkPoints: (19,069)
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5/26/13 6:00 P

Dairy withdrawal? I've never heard of such a thing but beside that comment, why would you quit eating dairy if you are not lactose intolerant? It just doesn't make any sense. The body needs diary. Dairy = Calcium Continue to drink 8 ounces of low-fat milk everyday and enjoy some cheese! I don't see a need to give it up.

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5/26/13 2:44 P

If your protein and calorie levels were okay during your dairy elimination experiment and you still had the symptoms you describe and felt better as soon as you got a dairy fix- you might very well have a dairy allergy. You don't get physical symptoms like that from just eliminating a caffeine-free food from your diet unless you have an allergic addiction to the food. If you feel you must have dairy every day and at practically every meal and especially if missing a meal makes you feel anything but hungry but some dairy fixes you right up- consider the possibility of a dairy allergy. You might try the experiment again some time, this time planning on other protein and fat and calorie sources so lack of food isn't the problem.

In my case, after eliminating dairy (cheese in my case, milk always made me feel obviously awful; my mother kept hiding it in things since she didn't believe in allergies so I never felt very good as a child), I no longer got headaches and fatigue when a meal was missed or delayed. I wanted cheese at every meal. I was experiencing withdrawal symptoms. It was decades ago... I can eat some real cheese now if I don't do it every day, and keeping to just an ounce or two is wisest. I don't have trouble with butter although I don't eat it often and not much. You can be allergic to different forms of the proteins, so each form of the food (for dairy: casein, whey, cooked, uncooked, yoghurt, milk vs cheese etc) may affect you differently or not at all. You can also have a combination of lactose intolerance and allergy but your symptoms sound like allergy.

NYZKI1 SparkPoints: (9)
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4/30/13 9:02 P

Well thanks again to all who gave such great advice. I am not lactose intolerant,and there really is no reason for me to give up dairy products. And I am drinking 2% percent mik.. And to be honest. I was eating a lot of sliced processed cheese. I think that i will stick with real cheese such as Tillamook in the 5lb block. It also tastes better than the plastic nasty kind. And iam so glad to have my low fat yogurt back into my diet. I sure felt alot better when I had a bowl of shredded wheat with Milk this morning. And you are the best for bringing my reasoning back LOL :) nyzki

Edited by: NYZKI1 at: 4/30/2013 (21:04)
ANARIE Posts: 13,179
4/30/13 8:11 P

By the way, I'm pretty sure Dr. Oz himself has also said that you'll never lose weight if you DON'T drink milk and eat yogurt. There's actually some evidence that it can help some people, probably because the calcium and protein make you feel less hungry.

Watch the cheese because it's calorie dense. Low-fat or non-fat milk, on the other hand, is a perfectly healthy food if you're not lactose intolerant or allergic. If you feel worse without it, by all means go back to using it.

As others have said, look at what you used to eat/drink it with, as well. If you were eating cheese sandwiches, maybe you're missing the carbs from the bread, for example. If you were getting your milk in the form of latte or cappuccino (my personal favorite way to do it), you might be withdrawing from the caffeine.

And the big one: if you were drinking liquid milk and you stopped, did you replace it with an equal amount of water? If not, you're probably just a tiny bit dehydrated. We sometimes forget that when we talk about hydration, ALL liquids matter, not just water. If you were drinking two glasses of milk and you stopped, then you're shorting yourself 16 oz of liquid a day. That definitely could make you feel icky.

BERKANA_T Posts: 138
4/30/13 3:03 P

There's a lot of excellent advice already in this thread, and there's nothing I can add to that.

I can, however, comment on 'side effects' from dropping dairy from your diet. For me, I had to drop dairy entirely from my diet. Even the hidden modified dairy found in so many processed foods is more than enough to have me curled up in a ball of agony now. Prior to figuring out what was making me feel so miserable though, I got over 50% of my protein from dairy every day. Dropping dairy left me scrambling to find ways to add protein back into my diet. I was also, as another poster already suggested, having trouble balancing my meals and snacks. I've been eating a modified diabetic diet for years, with every carb being balanced by a protein. Taking away all of my easy protein options left my blood sugars swinging.

The combination made me extremely moody and irritable. I had trouble focusing on daily tasks, and was completely exhausted constantly. It wasn't until I found other options to add more protein back into my diet (thanks to the wonderful people here at SP, by the way), that those symptoms went away.

As a side note, unless someone really HAS to give up dairy, I would recommend that they find other ways to cut the calories out of their diet. I miss cheese and yogurt so much that there are times I'm seriously tempted to just take a whole bottle of lactaid pills mixed with a bottle of enzyme pills, and just pig out on dairy and damn the consequences!!

SIMONEKP Posts: 2,700
4/30/13 12:42 P

LOVE4KITTIES said it best

RIET69 SparkPoints: (47,087)
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4/30/13 10:44 A

Glad you asked the question. I think you have been given excellent advice here.

GRAMCRACKER46 Posts: 1,765
4/30/13 10:33 A

I love dairy and when I read the title I thought oh no.... but you have been given good advice here. No need to give it up unless you suffer from it for medical reasons.

I stopped watching Dr Oz years ago.

NYZKI1 SparkPoints: (9)
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4/30/13 10:25 A

Thank you all for your replies. I really appreciate the advice. I think that iam going to give up watching Dr Oz from now on. I think that your advice is much more sound than his. Once again thank you. nyzki

DIDS70 Posts: 5,368
4/30/13 9:13 A

Gave up dairy three years ago. Had no issues giving it up and now if I eat any my digestive system rebels.

I have no issues getting enough protein, fat or other nutrients. Greens have a lot more of those than SP gives them credit for.
The sprouts i make have 20 grams of protein.

LEC358 SparkPoints: (11,135)
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4/30/13 8:25 A

First of all, best article on Dr. Oz ever:

Also, the fats and protein in dairy products can help you feel fuller longer since fat and protein take longer to digest. Just track what you eat *accurately* and make the appropriate intake and exercise adjustments.

4/30/13 8:00 A

Some dairy products do contain a significant amount of lactose or milk sugar so if you were eating a lot of it before it is possible that you may be irritable from sugar withdrawal.

Three weeks ago I cut back on my dairy consumption. I am only eating butter, heavy cream and the occasional (once a week, parmesan cheese) right now.

As a kid I was diagnosed as lactose intolerant so I drank milk and took a lactaid . As a grown up I sourced out raw dairy and I was able to drink it without getting terrible stomach pains. I have had a skin condition my whole life, it got 70% better when I stopped eating gluten, since cutting out milk, yogurt and cheese it is 90% better.

I obviously have a sensitivity to it, you may or may not. If you don't there is no need to cut it out of your diet.

JBIRDIEJ SparkPoints: (3,613)
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4/30/13 7:19 A

I have greek yogurt and or cheese almost daily and I have been losing weight.

Just remember there are no magic foods. It really is as simple as calories in vs. calories out. If you are staying in your calorie range you will lose weight dairy or no dairy.

Edited by: JBIRDIEJ at: 4/30/2013 (07:19)
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4/30/13 7:11 A

With dairy out of your diet, it's possible you are now low on calories, protein, and/or fat, any of which could make you a bit cranky. (Or you could be contributing to blood sugar swings if you're now eating a lot of sugar or simple carbohydrates without accompaniment from the fat and protein in the dairy that you used to eat with them. Same sort of thing.) Without looking at what you're eating overall it's hard to say.

It could also be completely unrelated. (I cut out dairy myself when my son was about six months old due to him having an allergy to it, and didn't return to eating any for years. I never noticed any side effects from doing it, but that's just me personally.) You'll have to look into what you're eating and make sure it works for you.

I'm also not a fan of Doctor Oz, though, and would never make a major dietary change based on his advice. And I eat yogurt almost every day, and occasionally milk or cheese, and don't have trouble losing weight.

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4/30/13 5:44 A

There is no one food group or macronutrient responsible for making people fat. People get fat because of uncontrolled consumption of large quantities of calorie dense food.

Like others have already said below, you must have a good reason to drop a food group from your menu, like an allergy or intolerance of some sort. Otherwise, even if you drop it from your menu, it won't help you to achieve a healthy life over the long term. Instead, you should control your portion sizes, and eat whole foods of all kinds.

The symptoms you experience are probably due to a sudden large reduction in caloric intake, because you have dropped a significant part of your food by deciding to go dairy free. Another person who does not eat as much dairy would not feel the same symptoms because the caloric reduction would be much less if s/he were to go dairy free.

Edited by: MPLANE37 at: 4/30/2013 (05:47)
CMCOLE Posts: 2,667
4/30/13 5:25 A

Love4Kitties said it well:

The key to weight loss is eating within the appropriate calorie range. The key to a healthy diet is ensuring that you get appropriate amounts of protein, carbs, heart-healthy fats, fiber and appropriate amounts of the vitamins/minerals that your body needs to function properly.

Balance is key.
Choosing whole, well-made (or minimly processed) foods is best.
Yes, cheese can be a downfall for many - mainly because it's so easy to eat large quantities, and many of them have lots of salt. However, it is possible to find some that are better. Choose good, quality (not like sandwich slices which are highly processed 'cheese food' (whatever that is)).

There is room in your menu for dairy.
Whole yogurts with your own added fruits, nuts, spices or whatever can be a welcome addition to your day.

4/30/13 4:27 A

I find it hard to get enough protein without dairy. I would make sure you're still getting enough, since you were likely getting part of your requirements with the milk and cheese you were eating before. I also agree with LOVE4KITTIES opinion on Dr. Oz. Lowfat dairy can be a healthy source of both protein and calcium. If you choose not to eat dairy, do it because you've done some research and are making an educated decision, not because someone who sensationalizes everything and uses scare tactics to increase ratings says it's bad.

Edited by: SPOTTED_OCELOT at: 4/30/2013 (04:29)
LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 4,690
4/30/13 4:03 A

Dr. Oz is not a reliable source of information. He uses his medical degree to give himself credibility, but a lot of the information that he gives on his show is anything but good. It seems that he says just about whatever he thinks will get him more viewers and more sponsors (which both mean more $$$ to line his pockets).

If you like dairy and you don't have a dairy allergy or lactose intolerance, there's no need to eliminate it from your diet. It's an excellent source of protein, calcium and other nutrients. Dairy can definitely be part of a healthy diet. It does not make you gain weight or prevent you from losing weight. Excess calories are the reason for weight gain and failure to lose weight. These calories can come from anything.

The key to weight loss is eating within the appropriate calorie range. The key to a healthy diet is ensuring that you get appropriate amounts of protein, carbs, heart-healthy fats, fiber and appropriate amounts of the vitamins/minerals that your body needs to function properly.

The Spark People website will give you recommendations for how many calories to eat, how many carbs, how much protein, etc. if you enter your stats and weight loss goals. If you track your food, you can see where you are now and slowly adjust the foods and portions that you eat so that you are eating a healthy diet and the correct number of calories for weight loss. I really recommend getting a food scale to weigh out the foods that you eat.

Dr. Oz isn't going to tell you anything helpful about how to lose weight. He's only going to offer up one gimmick after the other, none of which will work and all of which are designed to keep his viewers tuned in, day after day.

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4/30/13 2:47 A

Hi I was wondering if there are side affects from not eating dairy. I just recently quit and Iam irritable, tired, and just not in a very good mood. Is this a sign of dairy withdrawl.? I am trying really hard to rid myself of the dairy habit.I need to lose alot of weight and I had seen on Dr Oz that dairy contributes to weigh gain. I was eating alot of cheese and drinking milk. It has just been a few days since I started this. Could this be why i feel like this.?

Edited by: NYZKI1 at: 4/30/2013 (02:56)
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