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RENATARUNS SparkPoints: (4,367)
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8/3/13 12:04 P

I've yet to meet a strawberry I can't eat plain, so I don't know how to answer that. I like tart. I guess adding them to a granola or something might be good.

But mostly that was just being silly. I come from a family that are total snobs over certain foods (mostly fruits and vegetables) and you just do not put sugar on fruit. Completely ruins it. Perish the thought!

NIRERIN Posts: 14,252
8/3/13 8:26 A

renataruns- okay, i'll bite. what do you do when you find you have bought not so great strawberries? i'll agree that when you get the good ones no sugar is needed. but when you take that first bite and it's not sweet and .... not quite bitter, but definitely not able to be eaten plain, what do you do? because i chop up the rest of the container, add about a teaspoon of sugar and let them sit in the fridge for a day or two. if you have a better option i would love to try it.

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8/3/13 8:08 A

Just for me personally? Junk food yes (though I am not an absolutist and do still eat it rarely or in small portions, just not as part of my everyday life), because there's absolutely nothing useful about the stuff, and it actively inhibits losing weight in more than one way. Other stuff no. Losing weight is hard work. REALLY hard work. I don't believe it's a good idea to make any more changes in order to do it than are absolutely necessary. It will only make the whole thing harder, make giving up more likely, and wind up being counterproductive in the long run. You can always change your diet to cut things out (if you think that's useful) once the weight loss thing is cracked (or if it's going very well and you have the spare mental energy for that sort of thing).

There will always be some people who do find it necessary to cut out certain things that most people consider normal foods, in order to lose weight and keep it off. They should of course give that a try. But for most people I think it adds an additional unnecessary burden and just makes things harder.

Edit@Nirerin: I completely agree with most of what you said, but this:
"or have strawberries sprinkled with a little sugar. "
Heresy! Fruit does not need sugar. No not even grapefruit. *grumble grumble* Fruit snob here, haha.

Edited by: RENATARUNS at: 8/3/2013 (08:12)
GRAPHICS2 Posts: 13,944
8/2/13 10:22 P

I don't think it is good to do that. You then start to desire those foods more. However there are some foods that are my total downfall, and I just try to avoid them as much as I can, but every now and then I give myself a little treat. Now the aftermath could go either way, but I don't do it often.

RIET69 SparkPoints: (47,087)
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8/2/13 1:19 P

I don't cut out any foods. Just eat them in moderation. I will skip foods that cause me to over eat like potato chips. I just stay away from them. Nuts I have learned to eat in moderation most of the time. They are a hard food for me to stop eating once I start.

8/2/13 1:09 P

If you lose weight quickly, you are likely to gain it back quickly.

Cutting out foods will cause you troubles. I immediately see the "lots of carbs" and I worry. Carbs are the fuel our bodies run on. I eat a LOT of carbs. I make sure they are not highly processed carbs...but I still eat a lot of them. I've lost weight...and now I'm gaining back weight as muscle.

As for cutting out coffee? That's just crazy talk! I would never cut out coffee...unless I had a health reason. (My mother has a heart defect that makes it so she can't drink it...but I don't...So I'm going to drink it until a doctor tells me not to).

Edited by: LILLIPUTIANNA at: 8/2/2013 (13:10)
RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
8/2/13 10:39 A

How did you select the foods you cut? What plan are you on. It sounds kind of like low carb, but if so, you could have coffee, and red meat.

If cutting these foods out caused you to lose weight, then you have to ask yourself a few questions. Why? If those foods caused you to overeat, then resuming them will just cause you to regain the weight you lost. If you could eat them in moderation, you would have done so before. It is not willpower that has allowed you to eat less, it is having no cravings. That was caused by omitting these foods.

For certain people, milk, cereal, bread, pasta, corn, potatoes etc. cause cravings, and overeating. Usually that overeating is fast food, which is worse than the food that caused their " cheat ", but without that food, the cheat would never have happened. The culprit is these foods that you eliminated. If not, why are you cutting carbs. For now, I will assume you are on a lower carb diet.

So eliminating these foods helped you lose weight, and you think that resuming them in small quantities will work out well? Probably not. I would avoid them, and if you are cutting carbs to lose the weight, actually follow low carb, and start adding more carbs in. You have to adjust from weight loss phases to maintenance, by slowly adding a greater variety of carbs over time..slowly. More fruits/veggies, cheeses, nuts, legumes, and even maybe eventually a glass of wine,potato, or rice occasionally, if they don't cause cravings.

Low carb is a diet for life, and that is why it is adjustable. No one will stick to very low carb all the time. Many carbs are just fine, and I suspect even a lot of the processed carbs are only an issue due to being processed. If you do add back in bread, try a bakery, instead of the junk they sell at the grocery, for example.

If you talk to members of the SMART CARBING team, you will find many who maintain on 100+ carbs a day, and have brown rice/quinoa, beans, some even oatmeal. They just avoid their trigger foods. Their diet adjusted as they got healthier.

In the end, if your diet isn't something you can stick on till you die, then it really isn't a diet, but a temporary way of eating. You will yo-yo between 2 diets, probably doing damage to your heart/lungs as your weight goes up and down rapidly.

NIRERIN Posts: 14,252
8/2/13 8:34 A

my personal belief is that most of what and how we eat is out of habit. so you have all these foods tied up in their own little habits, and the only habits you have associated with them are the same ones that you had when you were gaining weight. now, there are some people who can decide they want to things entirely differently, turn on a dime and just do those things in a different way forever and be happy with it. those people are maybe 5% of the population as a whole. so if you're one of those select few who can do that, great. go do it and enjoy. but if you're in that other 95 or so% of the population with the rest of us you probably are going to need to teach yourself how to incorporate those foods into your diet [yes, i use the primary definition of diet which is simply what one eats]. otherwise you're just going to eat them the same way that caused you problems in the first place.
assuming "other carbs" isn't vegetables, most of the stuff you have chosen to cut out is stuff that's pretty okay to be eating a little less often. which isn't to say that if you are going to have it you should have it all. so try incorporating a cup of your favorite coffee in the next few days. perhaps make cinnamon toast a few days after that. or have strawberries sprinkled with a little sugar. then a few days after have a slice of bread to mop up your stew with. a truffle or two a few days after that. eating a food doesn't have to mean eating it all the time, everytime. but try to find new ways to work in the foods you love and don't want to give up forever. in time, you may find that you don't want them as much or in the same ways as you used to. but cross that bridge when you come to it. in the meantime, if you're cutting out your favorite alfredo finding a way to incorporate it is going to benefit you in the long run. because you may find that you like the sauce when you make it just a little lighter. you may like the sauce over 1/4 zucchini and 3/4 pasta just as much. or 1/3 zucchini and 2/3 pasta. or 1/2 zuccchini and 1/2 pasta. or ever that you like the sauce just over steamed broccoli. and being able to eat some food that you enjoy at a 100 cal portion level means that you can enjoy that item more often or you can cut back to that 100 cal portion size if what you're usually incorporating starts to result in gain.

8/2/13 7:09 A

emoticon Congrats on your weight loss!

Yes cutting foods out is okay. Some of those foods caused you to gain excess weight.

I have slowly eliminated some foods from my diet. I can't eat gluten anymore as I am highly reactive to it. I eat completely grain free 80% of the time because I just feel better getting my starches from vegetables and fruits. I have recently discovered I can drink heavy cream with no problems but when I drink milk my skin is much drier. So I'm sticking with just cream for now.

As the PP said, a lot of the foods you have cut are processed and SP recommends we cut those as much as possible. Obviously if you lose a bunch of weight and then revert back to your old eating habits you will regain all and maybe even more of your lost weight back. The real test for you I think will be figuring out just how much of those foods, if any, you will be able to tolerate and not regain weight. The reintroduction of foods into your diet should be very scientific, eat just one kind of food a week to see how you react to it.

Edited by: JUSTEATREALFOOD at: 8/2/2013 (10:08)
CMCOLE Posts: 2,667
8/2/13 6:47 A

Most of the items you've cut out are highly processed.
There is no problem for most people when they eliminate those from their menu, and replace them with whole, healthful items.

In moderation, things like coffee or tea can be included in your menu, should you wish to do so again (or still).

Dairy gives some people distress; others are just fine with it.
Bread, Sugar, Sweets, Cereal - these all are high carbohydrate, usually processed items.
I see no harm in eliminating them (and have, almost entirely, done so myself).

Hope that helps somewhat.

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8/2/13 6:32 A

Going to extremes and cutting out too many foods and losing weight too quickly is hard to maintain and why people tend to gain weight back in my opinion. It is better to take things slow and make a lasting health style change.
All foods unless you are allergic or intolerant can fit into a healthy diet. Just watch your calories and portions

BITTERQUILL Posts: 1,639
8/2/13 12:03 A

If you plan on eating it *ever again,* it's a good idea to learn how to do it properly now rather than cutting it out entirely and just *hoping* you'll know how to handle it when you reintroduce it. I know a lot of people who cut out sugar (or whatever) while dieting, then they stuff themselves because it's no longer off limits.

It's part of that whole diet versus lifestyle thing. Are you here to learn how and what to eat and in the process shed a few pounds that you don't plan to regain, or are you here to lose weight ASAP without planning ahead for the post-diet world?

I'm not necessarily advocating eating sugar, alcohol, coffee or whatever. I'm just saying that if you plan to consume them in the future, now is a good time to learn how.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,460
8/1/13 8:43 P

I don't think that you should cut any type of food from your diet unless there is a health concern.

If your like me. When you cut out food, you get a taste of it and go bananas. I believe everything in moderation and this helps me stay on track

KNUCKLES145 Posts: 16,093
8/1/13 7:28 P

I think everybody has to find what works for them.

will you ever be able to go back to eating the way you used to? Not if you want to keep it off long term. will you still be able to have some of your favorites, yes if you plan it right.

also, you do need to figure out if you have "trigger foods" for me it is ice cream. once I start, I have a hard time stopping. so I have figure out its better for me not to start. lol

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8/1/13 6:58 P

For any weight loss plan to be successful and sustainable in the long run, it is important to have a safe weight loss of only 1-2 pounds per week. Cutting out a lot of food which can result in rapid weight loss can easily backfire. We cannot keep up with such a food plan when nothing we love is allowed and deprivation sets in. After a while most people give up on the plan all together.

Instead if the food plan allows for atleast some indulgences, we are more equipped to deal with the whole plan.

Having said that, I would say that instead of cutting out everything, try to find healthier alternatives. If you are drinking coffee, switch to tea sometimes, if you eat lot of sugar, try using honey sometimes which is although sugar does have some medicinal qualities to it. Eat whole grain bread,... you get the picture. This way, you wouldn't feel deprived, you would have learnt to eat and maintain a healthier eating lifestyle where nothing is restricted and nothing is eaten out of control. Practice moderation for the treats and that way at goal, you have done so without the feeling of deprivation. No question of being worried about adding these foods back, you would have learned to accommodate for them while on the journey...

Edited by: ACHIEVE2012 at: 8/1/2013 (18:58)
MEGAPEEJ Posts: 732
8/1/13 6:31 P

It kinda depends. I'm a big believer of "everything in moderation", and if I had decided to completely cut out X, I would have obsessed over X and made it a point to eat as much of it as I could as soon as I was "allowed" again. I have successfully lost almost 25 pounds eating 2 slices of pizza instead of 6, eating an appropriate serving of ice cream when it fits in my tracker, having a weighed ounce of cheese instead of all the cheese. I never feel deprived and since I know I can have something whenever I want, I'm content to have a small portion until the next time.

Now, some people have trigger foods that once they have a bite, they will not stop eating it until they've eaten all of it. They will tell you that they are better off not even having a single bite of it, and that's ok too.

And then there are some things that are just about impossible to fit in to a calorie range and have room for nutrients. Things like fair food (deep fried Twinkies or something) - tons of calories, and you still have to eat real food to fuel your body. Is it worth all the calories in flavor? Probably not.

Decide what works for you. If you're able to enjoy a reasonable serving of something and put it away after that, I see no reason to deprive yourself. If it causes more trouble than it's worth, there's your answer.

CICELY360 Posts: 4,140
8/1/13 6:24 P

I don't think you should cut foods from your diet unless there are health concerns. I think it's all about moderation. I know I couldn't live without cake and ice cream every now and then.

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8/1/13 6:06 P

For over two months, I have cut out many of the foods I used to eat, including coffee, sugar, bread, sweets, milk, cereal, red meat, and lots of carbs.

I did this so that I could lose weight quickly and boy have I! I am a little concerned that if I start to eat these items again that I will gain weight once I reach my goal (which is when I have stated I will "allow" myself these foods again).

Is it better to eat these foods in moderation while I work to lose weight instead of cutting them out completely if I plan to eat them again in the future?

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