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ARCSPARKS
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5/2/12 12:54 P

"what's the point in citing naturalnews rubbish if all you were asking was to track folate?"

Well, you obviously missed the point, the point that the ladies got. I was not "asking to track folate". I was being helpful, informing others on HOW to track folate correctly.

Perhaps you need to slow down a bit and actually read threads next time before you post? emoticon emoticon



BREWMASTERBILL
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5/2/12 12:37 P

Nope. I only spoke to the fact that naturalnews is garbage. Track folate if you want, what's the point in citing naturalnews rubbish if all you were asking was to track folate?



ARCSPARKS
Posts: 369
5/2/12 12:24 P

"Naturalnews is not a reputable source. Dodgy doesn't begin to describe it. Although these guys do."

Your point? So because you don't trust naturalnews are you going to contend that folic acid and folate are the SAME? I provided another website for this evidence. Do I need to provide another?

Or are you disputing that you have to enter them differently to track?

Or are you disputing that my opinion that I'd rather consume natural folate is wrong?




BREWMASTERBILL
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5/2/12 12:19 P

Naturalnews is not a reputable source. Dodgy doesn't begin to describe it. Although these guys do.

rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews



ARCSPARKS
Posts: 369
5/2/12 12:03 P

"An unreferenced article, from an author with an acknowledged agenda, on a dodgy website?
Sorry, Not buying it."


What aren't you buying???

1) That there's a difference between folic acid and folate? Folic acid is synthesized, while folate is natural. Perhaps you'd rather believe this lady instead

nutritionovereasy.com/2011/01/folate-vs-fo
lic-acid-whats-the-difference/


QUOTE:

"The words ‘folate’ and ‘folic acid’ are often used interchangeably but there are important differences between them. Folate is the naturally-occurring form of the vitamin. Spinach, lentils, and garbanzo beans are all good sources of dietary folate. Folic aid is the synthetic form of the vitamin that is used in most supplements and in fortified foods. (If your supplements lists “folate,” it suggests that food sources were used instead of synthetic folic acid.)

Folic acid and folate work the same in the body, with one exception: Ironically, the synthetic form (folic acid) is better absorbed by the body than the natural form. You only need 60 mcg of folic acid to get the same benefits you’d get from 100 mcg of naturally-occurring folate."


OR..


2) ... are you not buying, also stated in the OP, that you need to enter FOLATE under the "Folate, foods" area of the right column in order for it to be tracked?


OR...

3) ... are you not buying MY opinion that I would rather get natural folate and NOT folic acid, and I think it's prudent for everyone to do so?


So what are you "not buying"???





OPUSEVA
Posts: 1,304
5/2/12 10:17 A

An unreferenced article, from an author with an acknowledged agenda, on a dodgy website?
Sorry, Not buying it.



ARCSPARKS
Posts: 369
5/2/12 9:57 A

JENNYLT1, here's a decent list of foods to get natural folate:


pediatrics.about.com/od/nutrition/a/908_fo
late_food.htm


Although it's a good list, unfortunately they make the same mistake by using folate and folic acid interchangeably in their last list "Folate-Fortified Foods". The list should read "Folic Acid Fortified Foods"...

Just look at their statement:

"many foods are fortified with folic acid. Serving your kids folate-fortified foods is a good way to make sure they are getting enough folate in their diet:"

Now let's break it down:

"many foods are fortified with folic acid." -- CORRECT

"Serving your kids folate-fortified foods" -- INCORRECT. No such thing! It's folic acid fortified foods.

"is a good way to make sure they are getting enough folate in their diet:" -- INCORRECT. Serving FOLIC ACID fortified foods will NOT ensure that your kids will be getting enough FOLATE.




I'm no chemist and I don't know how MUCH of a difference there is between getting prenatal folic acid or folate, but if it were me, knowing what I know now, I'd make sure to get as much of the NATURAL thing that I could. emoticon




JENNYLT1
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5/1/12 10:49 P

Very interesting. I've always been told to make sure I take vitamins with folic acid when I'm taking prenatal vitamins. Looks like it's okay for short term, but I'll have to look carefully at labels from now on. Thanks for posting this!



ARCSPARKS
Posts: 369
5/1/12 2:15 P

You're welcome, SLASALLE. Thanks for taking the time to let me know someone appreciated it. I think it's pretty important information to share.

Edit to add: On the USDA Nutrient Database of Foods ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/list they distinguish between folate and folic acid in their "Full Reports".

Edited by: ARCSPARKS at: 5/1/2012 (14:36)


SLASALLE
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5/1/12 1:27 P

This is really interesting - both the article and the tracking piece. Thanks for taking the time to share it.



ARCSPARKS
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5/1/12 9:32 A

First of all, folate and folic acid are NOT the same!

www.naturalnews.com/z033273_folate_folic_a
cid.html


If you want to track folate for a CUSTOM FOOD, you need to enter the amount, in mcg, into the box in the right column for "Folate, food __ mcg". Just adding the % for Folate, in the left column, will NOT track it.

I suspect that this is not a "glitch" but is a fined tuned approach for serious tracking only. People not only confuse folate and folic acid, thinking they are the same, but even Nutrition Facts labels get the two confused, as pointed out in the article above. Plus, unless you are *older* there's really no reason to distinguish between the two.

The good news is, when you add a database food such as 'Broccoli, raw' to your food log, and if you're tracking "Folate, food" as a Nutrition Goal, then the amount of folate will be tracked for you, no problem.

Note: As a guy, I'm interested in folate for red blood cell production. I've been reading that this is beneficial to endurance exercise.



 
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