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SUNSHINE6442 Posts: 2,162
8/12/13 10:27 P

Kudos to Russell...I applaud him. I was diagnosed as pre diabetic with 6.0 A1C level, the doctor put me on insulin and after the second course I was so sick...called the doctor and couldn't reach associate told me to stop the insulin and call in 2 days to tell them how I felt...I finally reached her and when I asked what to do next, she said forget the insulin with no other help. I not only forgot the insulin...forgot her too and ran to an Endocrinologist who specializes in Diabetes. I was put on Metformin and was told she should have never put me on insulin, spoke with a dietician on site and my numbers are normal for the last three years. I watch everyday. So listen to Russell ...get answers or change doctors.

Lite salt is not good for a diabetic, actually no salt as most diabetics can get high blood pressure. Lite salt is generally a substitute but any diabetic should seek medical advice before using a salt substitute. Lite salt has potassium chloride which can damage the kidneys especially for a diabetic.

Instead use herbs, spices, and seasoning blends such as Mrs. Dash which are all great choices

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8/12/13 6:47 P

I have never, ever heard of anyone suggesting fresh lemons - or carrots for that matter! - would be bad for a diabetic.

Like Dietician Becky said earlier, how you intend to eats lemons - and carrots! - is more important than fixating on the ingredient.

It may also help to keep in mind that a person who eats fresh fruits and vegetables every day is far less likely to develop diabetes than the person who eats nothing but processed foods.

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8/12/13 3:42 P

What really surprised me about diabetes is how much they have learned about what we can do to help ourselves. People used to die because they did not know how and what to do. With all the new and better information, people are living healthier and decades longer than ever before. But, it is essential to learn about how food and exercise and meds can help us, and what to do when we are having high blood sugars (which we can only know sometimes through testing.)

The did you knows are long... but did you know that all carbs are digested and turned into *sugar* in the body? and by sugar, that means blood glucose; a form of energy the body uses to live. when we have too much or not enough insulin or our cells don't let insulin work, then we have problems; aka Diabetes.

What they are learning is that different foods are digested differently in our body; some slower, some faster and learning how our body handles carbs and all kinds of our eating will make a difference and help us avoid and/or slow down this horrible disease...

it is kind of confusing but this goes so far beyond carrots and lemons, I do hope you can get a good referral from your doctor for the diabetes classes.

SparkPeople also has an excellent diabetes 8 week challenge, a diabetes food tracker, lots of articles and teams to hook up with other people who are dealing with diabetes too :)

Edited by: XCLOSED at: 8/12/2013 (15:46)
ANARIE Posts: 13,124
8/12/13 1:38 P

I think you should call the doctor today and say, "I need you to find me a diabetes educator." This doctor clearly doesn't know much about diabetes-- and that's okay; no one doctor knows everything. But as Russell said, the doctor didn't finish the job you're paying him/her for. Telling you that you have diabetes is only about one tenth of the job. It's easy. Making sure that you understand how to be healthy with diabetes is the other nine-tenths. The doctor may not know how to do that, but s/he IS required to help you find someone else who can. You can help by pointing out that most county health programs and most hospitals have free classes, and the doctor should find out about them and tell you AND his other diabetic patients.

If you make the doctor finish his job, you'll help all of his future patients, too. It's not selfish to be pushy in this case-- it's helping other people.

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8/12/13 1:18 P

Thanks, everyone. I have not cut out carrots completely and I usually just eat lemons alone with a little lite salt. Thanks to all of you for your advice and help.

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8/12/13 5:23 A

At times I feel the urge to reply to most of RUSSELL_39 posts with; Listen to Russell! He has spoken words of wisdom! Now, I am apparently acting on that urge too.

emoticon Hi Russell, you share your knowledge and experiences so very generously and with so much compassion. I want you to know I really enjoy reading your posts.

RUSSELL_40 Posts: 16,826
8/12/13 2:03 A

As someone who struggled with a diabetic diet for 7 years, I found out that doctors tended to not be much help when it came to diabetes. Beyond the 15 minute cliff notes version, they have no clue.

Pretty much everything you eat gets turned into glucose, which is blood SUGAR. Different foods increase this at different rates. Obviously fruit juice, or ice cream spike it much quicker than asparagus, or black beans. Getting a book on the glycemic index of foods may be of some benefit, and then use the numbers of your glucose meter readings. Pay attention to how corn affects you versus green beans, or pasta versus brown rice. Make yourself a database of foods that don't spike your blood sugar.

I had to go to low carb to get off my diabetes meds, but my sugars were usually over 300 daily, and I had binge issues. Just pay attention to the types of carbs you eat, and mix them in with protein, and fiber, as well as some healthy fats.

In answer to the lemons question.. yes, you can have lemons. If you have lemon juice on halibut with green beans, and a small side of brown rice, you will probably find that it doesn't spike your blood sugars too much. Eat 3 lemons, and you might have a problem. I tend to stop at 1 serving of fruit a day, and have no issues.

A good rule to follow is 40 grams of carbs for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and 15 for 2 snacks.. 150 grams total. This will vary by your size, and how carbs affect you, but is around what they suggest.

What you should really do, is read a few books, get an understanding of diabetes, and go back in with a notebook of questions, and ask the doctor for EXACT answers. Total carbs, how many per meal, what foods to limit, avoid, or enjoy at will. Spacing, and size of meals.

If the doctor can't answer these questions, demand to see a dietitian, or another doctor who CAN answer these questions. While I would love to say I am doing pretty well with my diabetes, and may be of some help to you, your doctor is a supposed expert on health, and is being paid to help you. That means they are your employee... to employ means to use, like a tool. Make that doctor do their job, or refer you to someone competent in that field of health. Asking strangers for advice is not the best option. Your doctor should have spent an hour explaining things, and detailing a plan in exhausting detail. At the very least, you should understand the basics of diabetes, and have a meal plan for 2 weeks, so you have some idea of what to eat. That may be a diabetic training class at your local hospital, a dietitian etc., but this is as deadly as heart disease, or cancer, if left uncontrolled. You can improve it though, which is why you need to get answers.

The doctor basically told you " You have a disease that kills people.. just wing it! ". Don't. You can't take action till you know what action to take.

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8/12/13 12:16 A

If I remember correctly, lemons can be bad for the enamel on teeth. Check with your dentist. Also, lemons can give you heartburn if you eat them often as they reduce the acids in your stomach.

SUNSHINE6442 Posts: 2,162
8/12/13 12:07 A

Carrots are a non-starchy food and yes there has been an update on carrots to be included as part of a healthy diabetic diet. It was found that carotenoids found in yellow and orange produce may help reduce insulin resistance. Avoid the starchy vegetables like potatoes, peas and corn. Actually the best way to know if it affects you is to test 20 minutes and then 2 hours after eating.

Lemon is alkaline once it enter your system...lemons should be fine...lemon lowers the glycemic index of any food it is added to. If you have coffee it's acidic or if you eat acidic foods drink lemon water because it shifts the body's pH level back toward the alkaline side, and you will notice your blood sugar will go down (most diabetics have a very acidic body pH)

Lemon water is good! Stay hydrated.

Focus on Omega 3', walnuts, almonds, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds... seeds of all kinds...flaxseeds, sesame seeds, caraway seeds, etc. Eat broccoli, spinach, green beans and lots of leafy greens like romaine, kale, watercress....Eat only low carb fruits are pears, peaches, plums, cherries, apples, kiwi, all kinds of berries. Berries have the least impact on blood sugar....this should get you started. Yes vinegar can help stabize blood sugar ...have a small salad daily......Cereals are high in sugar and sodium maybe try multi-grain cheerios (medium sugar intake of 6 grams) or Kashi 7 whole grain puffs (organic section $2.89 per box and eat with skim milk and berries to sweeten.

I can't eat grapes or watermelon or bananas, pineapple, mango...they all shoot my blood sugar up, yet air=popped popcorn is no problem. Test, Test, you know what affects you. Keep a log in a composition book.

I agree, either ask your doctor to refer you to a registered dietician or attend a diabetes class at your local hospital...

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8/11/13 10:58 P

emoticon my diabetes educator said they have found that carrots don't have as big of an impact as once thought, and are back on the table... (along with watermelon & popcorn)

and to my surprise, adding squeezed lemon or lime juice (citrus) to salads, over fish, etc can help reduce blood sugar (as can vinegar) and adding other things like cinnamon to help stabilize blood sugars naturally. Really fascinating how food affects our blood sugars! Worth exploring!

My Diabetes educator had me read Diabetes without Drugs, it was very interesting, and then we worked with the doctor on what to do.

SLIMMERKIWI Posts: 25,932
8/11/13 7:45 P

I find it intriguing that your Dr told you that Carrots have carbs that turn into sugar. That is much like saying if you cut yourself you bleed but not telling you what to do about it.

I would be inclined to be asking for a referral to a Registered Dietitian who is more qualified re Dietetics than the Dr and will be able to give you specific advise as it pertains to you and your health.

Good luck,

Edited by: SLIMMERKIWI at: 8/11/2013 (19:46)
8/11/13 3:55 P

I am concerned by the "take home" message from your doctor about carrots.
So do you think that carrots are no longer "allowed" to be eaten. Is this what your doctor was saying??

Carrots do contain some natural sugar---but they are still a very low sugar (carbohydrate) food that can easily fit into your eating plan.

How do you plan to eat the lemons? A squeeze into water. Or are you making homemade lemonade? Lemon pie? Or on fish???

Have you worked with a Certified Diabetes Educator? Taking diabetes classes at your hospital can really help?

We also have a diabetes center here at Sparkpeople.

Your SP Registered Dietitian

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8/11/13 3:52 P

Lemons contains simple carbohydrates (sugars), if that is what you are asking. Is it OK to eat them? I would think, yes, in moderation. Preferably in a meal along with some healthy protein and fiber to keep your level of blood-glucose stable.

I hope you are getting education/training to help you manage your diabetes, beyond telling you that carrots contain carbohydrates that might spike your blood-glucose level. Have you been referred to a endocrinologist/diabetes nurse/dietician?

Here is a link to a SP article on eating fruits when diabetic:

Edited by: CERTHIA at: 8/11/2013 (15:57)
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8/11/13 3:18 P

Lemons are one of my favorite things so I was just wandering if it is okay to eat them. My doctor told me that carrots break up into sugar in your body so I just wanted to check and make sure. If anyone can help me I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Lisa

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