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12/12/13 12:41 P

I say "Merry Christmas" because I am a Christian and I am celebrating Christ's birth. If you are not, and wish me a Happy Hanukah or whatever your culture supports, that's fine. I feel that using Happy Holidays is denying your own culture.

Edited by: TENOR4COUNTS at: 12/12/2013 (12:44)
JEN_IN_CA Posts: 1,177
12/12/13 12:25 P

Wow I'd be MUCH more offended by the comments than by the "holidays" decor! Here, people do usually say "Happy Holidays" instead, which I think is as it should be. It's not about political correctness, it's about not making assumptions about people or pushing your own religious holiday on others who might not be celebrating.

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12/12/13 12:04 A

There are so many more things to be concerned about. Some people just need to get a life.

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12/11/13 4:49 P

Beachgirl, Christmas is THE big holiday FOR YOU. For many of us, it is just a life-long pain in the posterior. Not everybody lives, believes or feels the same way that you do.

The greeting is a small thing, but it is a symptom of a bigger, deeper culture war. I refuse to acquiesce. Anybody who is offended by "Happy Holidays" can just deal with it.

Edited by: AZULVIOLETA6 at: 12/11/2013 (16:54)
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12/11/13 4:00 P

I agree with a previous poster who said that people seem to go overboard on this subject. As long as someone is trying to be nice and wishing someone else a merry or happy something, that should be fine as it is being done with nothing but kindness in mind.

FEDGIRL4 Posts: 1,968
12/11/13 2:59 P

KJ

This is just another subject for people to get bent out of shape about and verbally attack others. I celebrate Christmas. I say "Merry Christmas". If you say "Happy Something Else", not only will I not get upset I will still say Merry Christmas. I am not politically correct, but need to do so in the work place.

I love all the old Rudolph characters too. KJ - I can't see the picture any bigger than what is on the message board because your profile/page is private.

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12/11/13 2:18 P

What is the chance of having peace on earth??? When a stranger is nice enough to wish me anything I just say "and you too" period amen.
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PANFRIEDTROUT Posts: 3,425
12/11/13 1:46 P

KJ ~ can see what you're talking about now so tyvm

can't believe anyone could get bent out of shape about that. whoever would try to make an issue of something so "jolly" just speaks to the serious woundedness of their hearts/minds.

"Trout"

BEACHGIRL328 Posts: 2,020
12/11/13 1:11 P

I am a Christian and I have to say that I may not be bothered enough to be insulted it does annoy me that when I am wearing a cross around my neck someone says happy holidays to me but if it is not obvious I am a Christian I can understand it but I also don't mind if someone said happy Hanukah me either because that is another holiday being celebrated.
When the big holiday is just Christmas I really don't understand why we can't say Christmas. I have talked about it with some of my friends of other faiths and they have all said they didn't mind when someone says merry Christmas to them because they mostly all said that they felt included in the holiday and festivities.
I just recently found out that apparently more and more non Christians are celebrating the holiday(decorations and gifts) possibly because the birth of Christ is being more and more removed from the importance of the holiday? however Santa Claus is based on St Nick a Catholic bishop so who really knows why?
I prefer a Merry Christmas but I will take whatever I can get and as far as bulletin boards or general public exclamations I guess living in a country where we are allowed to believe in anything or nothing we have to learn to be open to everyone because as far as I am concerned it is most important what you feel in your own heart and what you do in your own home to celebrate that day not just what someone posted on a bulletin board.

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12/11/13 12:14 P

Nooooo, not the airing of grievances! Couldn't we do the feats of strength instead? :)

KJ, we can't actually see the graphic because your page is set to private. Still, I think your friend had the right idea. I really appreciate it when people make any effort to be inclusive, even if that effort is as small as changing "Christmas" to "Holidays."

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 13,751
12/11/13 11:34 A

Your friends bulletin board is very good. And I being a Christian would have looked at it and smiled.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 13,751
12/11/13 11:21 A

I even chuckle when I see Happy Festivus.

I think so many people get so uptight during the holidays, about such things. They just need to take a deep breath and calm down.



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12/11/13 11:05 A

Happy Festivus

can't wait until we get to the airing of grievances...
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SHERYLDS Posts: 12,180
12/11/13 10:31 A

attitude is everything....
If you want to include everyone...you call it a holiday tree, a holiday party, and wish people happy holidays. Isn't is about time to stop fighting the Crusades and start living together.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND GOOD WILL TO ALL........{...bah humbug..}

KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
12/11/13 10:24 A

I made my SP profile the poster board I was talking about. My friend did it all by hand, she's a good artist!

JULIA1154 Posts: 1,783
12/10/13 10:02 P

I think your post was clever and wouldn't have thought twice about it.

I do get a bit bent out of shape when our city has a Menorah - and calls it a Menorah - but the decorated tree in the same square has to be a "Holiday Tree" rather than a Christmas tree. Come on folks - my faith and heritage isn't threatened by acknowledging other faiths' holidays, why should our city assume that our neighbors of other faiths will be put off by overt references to Christian traditions?

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12/10/13 9:38 P

I'm not a very politically correct person. I will not wish you a Happy Holiday on Christmas. Not will I wish you a Happy Holiday on Hanukah or Kwanza.

Nor will I get upset if you wish me a Happy Holiday or a Happy Arbor Day.

I think it's great that we can celebrate the traditions of different religions and cultures. Isn't that what freedom is all about?

It doesn't matter that Christmas is based on the winter solstice or that Christ was born in the spring or that oil burned for 8 days. It matters that we can all enjoy whatever occasion is going on at the time.

The people who complain about Christmas receiving so much attention usually just want to complain. If you offer them the opportunity to arrange a celebration for whatever occasion they approve of they are usually too busy or complain that no one understands.

Christmas can be celebrated as a secular winter holiday or a deeply religious holiday or anywhere in between. You can ignore it completely if you want.

Becoming upset over a "Holly Jolly Holiday" and pictures of Rudolph is ridiculous.

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12/10/13 8:55 P

I rest my case

OBIESMOM2 SparkPoints: (61,851)
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12/10/13 7:03 P

one of the people at my last job was of a religion that didn't celebrate Christmas. He was complaining to me once that "only Christian holidays are observed by this company." I pointed out to him that the ONLY Christian holiday that was a company holiday was Christmas. We worked on Good Friday (heck, we would have to work on Easter if we'd had a trade show moving in or moving out). After that, he quit complaining about that particular issue to me.

I don't feel like Christmas is 'shoved down my throat' because I don't go to stores very often. I did all of my Christmas shopping in 2 days. I bought 3 Angel Tree gifts. That's it.

I don't listen to the radio stations that play nothing but Christmas music. I don't watch the Christmas specials on TV. I rarely go to any Christmas parties, just because I usually have other plans.

it's really not that difficult to avoid all of it, trust me. I actually forget that the stores are crowded this time of year because I don't shop...well...ever. A couple times a year I'll go shopping with my mom & sis.



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12/10/13 6:44 P

You do know that Christ was not actually born anywhere around December 25th, right? You might want to read up about Saturnalia and other pagan festivals and their role in how the Church eventually scheduled the holiday. He was probably born between June and September, but certainly NOT in the winter. There is a ton of evidence for this right in the Bible.

Traditional teaching probably has the birth YEAR wrong too. Pope Benedict's biography of Christ posits that he was born between 7BC and 2BC.

Not that this might change anything that anyone might believe about his symbolic role in the religion...but this Christmas will not LITERALLY be Christ's 2013th birthday. Not even close.

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12/10/13 6:26 P

I find that facebook, and all those sights are a hotbed for thin skinned people. They can pretty much write out their frustrations and hurt people without thinking about it. They post and hit send, and it's already out there without thinking. As far as political correctness goes I say Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. Christmas is my holiday and I'm sending you best wishes for the season. If you want to tell me Happy Hannakuh, Kwanzai, or Winter Holidays that's fine with me.

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12/10/13 6:22 P

I don't care what you call the holiday, Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays. I know what it means to me and that is all that matters. If someone says Happy Holidays I say it back if I feel it. If someone says Merry Christmas to me, I say it back if I feel like it. I respect everyone's right to say whatever makes them comfortable or helps them sleep throughout the night.

PANFRIEDTROUT Posts: 3,425
12/10/13 6:20 P

For the life of me, I don't understand why or how a person gets upset if I cheerily tell them, "Merry Christmas". It seems to me that any person on the face of the planet pleasantly wishing someone wellness and /or happiness should be received with graciousness.

My father taught me that politeness costs nothing and can return everything to the person extending it.

KJ ~ I would not have removed the photo. But then I'm not interested in being politically or socially correct most of the time, and, from the sounds of it, the photo had nothing to do with either. In this country (perhaps in most developed countries), many go out of their way to be contentious.

As another poster wrote, the attack says more about themselves than the "issue" or whatever.

Marie

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 1,929
12/10/13 6:09 P

I am offended by people who are offended that someone has given them a well-wishing because they don't like the wording of said good wishes. Whether or not someone chooses to wish anyone Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, or anything else, the receiver of the wishes should be happy and gracious about receiving said greeting. It's sheer ugliness, in my opinion, to get mad at someone over their wording or start being hateful because you were wished Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Good grief. You don't need friends like that. I'd unfriend them all ASAP and get some friends who are nicer and more tolerant. BTW...even if someone chooses to eliminate the word "Christmas" on purpose, that's their business and anyone ugly (and intolerant) enough inside to get nasty and hateful over being wished "Happy Holidays" is, well...not someone I'd want as a friend or someone I'd even want to be bothered with...

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 12/10/2013 (18:10)
BERRY4 SparkPoints: (146,943)
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12/10/13 6:01 P

No, I'm not politically correct. If you are offended, that's your problem.

Everyone is just so very thin-skinned. I feel like our racial "issues" have actually served to divide us rather than unite. IMO if you were born here, you ARE a native American!
If you want to own your holiday, do so.

"Do unto others as you want done to you."

TACDGB Posts: 6,132
12/10/13 5:58 P

I am a Christian and I say usually say Happy Birthday Jesus. But I don't care what you say as long as it's not hateful.............

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12/10/13 5:48 P

KJ

You know that you can't please everyone! I love the old Rudolph characters! Send it to me if you still have it. I like celebrating Christmas and it is a Christmas tree not a giving tree contrary to public opinion....I think if everyone's holiday is celebrating then you can call it by its given name. Politically correct is not always correct.

FENWAYGIRL18 Posts: 5,855
12/10/13 5:26 P

I wouldn't of gotten offeneded... some people are just miserable and need something to crab about.... I wouldn't of taken it down if I were you, don't give into the haters there's nothing wrong with what was put on the poster.

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12/10/13 5:12 P

People who have a problem with X-mas are just ignorant. X is the Greek letter representing Christ. Writing X-mas in no way takes the Christ out of Christmas.

All of the Muslims that I know in the US also enjoy and celebrate Christmas. They love to decorate and give presents, plus it is not all that different than the big Eid.



EMPRESSAMQ Posts: 5,077
12/10/13 4:47 P

No, I never take offense to however people want to phrase their holiday greetings.

I don't think the end-of-year holidays are reserved for any one religious group, spiritual calling, or custom. End-of-year and winter holidays go back to the beginning of time, as do all holidays, really.

I specifically celebrate Christmas, Solstice, and New Year's in the winter but there are many other great holidays around this time.

Saying "Happy Holidays" covers everyone's special celebration.

I also say and respond to "Merry Christmas" and all of the other greetings but I like "Happy Holidays" because it is inclusive and if holidays are for loving our fellow humankind, being inclusive is one way to do that, so I have never understood the offense some folk take over using that.

The saying described in the OP is cute and clever. Not sure why that should bother anyone, but people are sometimes easily offended.

Edited by: EMPRESSAMQ at: 12/10/2013 (16:48)
ANDILH Posts: 1,277
12/10/13 4:43 P

I generally tell people Happy Holidays. Personally I think Have A Holly Jolly Holiday is cute and fun to say. I do celebrate Christmas but not in a religious way. I work in Jewish Early Childcare Center and I nanny for a family who is Hindu. I find each of the holidays fascinating and feel that everyone should be included because it's hard to tell what someone celebrates or doesn't celebrate based on looking at them.
I agree with a PP who stated on Christmas Eve or Day, Merry Christmas might be more appropriate, but what about during Chanukka? There are 8 days to celebrate that. I find those who are so full of vitriol about it annoying. The whole point of the US is religious freedom, so that means I don't have to celebrate in the same way you do. I don't get offended when people tell me to "have a blessed day" even though I'm not religious. Celebrate whatever you want, but let everyone celebrate whatever they want as well without making a big deal about it.

HARPIE Posts: 279
12/10/13 4:25 P

Yeah, there seems to be too much offense -taking these days!

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12/10/13 4:22 P

I am not offended by either "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays".
To me, "Happy Holidays" does not mean the person saying it is anti-Christmas; I always took "Happy Holidays" to mean all of the holidays, between Thanksgiving and New Years Eve, like they were wishing me to be happy the whole season, not just on Christmas Day. I don't mind which greeting someone gives me; if they are nice to me and want to wish me well, that's all that matters.

Didn't Bing Crosby sing a song called "Happy Holidays" decades ago? I never heard of anyone being offended by that song when it came out.

Edited by: MOM2ACAT at: 12/10/2013 (16:28)
SIMPLYME80 Posts: 406
12/10/13 3:57 P

I am Never offended! Merry Christmas, Happy Haunaka, Joyous Kwanza, or any other Celebration. Thank You! I am impressed a person is wishing me a Great Holiday no matter which is celebrated for their race/religion. As far as a school celebration/party/ play etc parents of, non christian students should be told in advance, have the option for their child take the day off or leave early if Christmas is Not celebrated in their culture. Of course doing such is Not being so called "Diverse" politically!

SHERYLDS Posts: 12,180
12/10/13 3:53 P

I am a cultural/religious mutt....I get offended by people who get offended.
I've been criticized for not spelling out Xmas...for some, that is a big deal.
I knew someone who used to get upset because my office put a plain RED bow under everyone's cubicle nameplate...then again, they would have been upset if they had Not gotten a bow. The point is...some people love to whine and make a big stink over everything.

My favorite comedian on the subject of religion is Emo Philips
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df3blZzXTL0&list=R
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Edited by: SHERYLDS at: 12/10/2013 (15:56)
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12/10/13 3:39 P

I am offended by the assumption that Christmas is the only holiday out there. I am not a Christian, I do not celebrate Christmas and I am really sick of having it stuffed down my throat. Sometimes it feels like religious freedom in this country really only means that you are free to be any kind of Christan that you want to be. I am fine with Happy Holidays and find it appropriate, but I LOATHE being aggressively wished a Merry Christmas.

I think that what your friend did is correct--Christmas has no place in public schools.

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12/10/13 3:37 P

I don't get offended by any of it but - I want Christmas to be over - I'm the biggest grinch of them all and I'm already tired of the music, crowded stores, holiday shows that I've seen a million times, getting gifts of stuff that I already have too much of, getting gifts because the giver feels they must do it and then they give no thought to the gift. Every year I claim that I'm going away and hiding for the month of December. This year I will pulling out for 2 weeks and I can't wait. Merry Christmas everyone!

SHKIRK Posts: 1,168
12/10/13 3:23 P

When I greet people at this time of year I use "Happy Holidays". If someone get offended..well that their personal problem. emoticon

DROPCONE Posts: 1,541
12/10/13 3:19 P

The only time I get offended by well-wishing is when someone asks me when my baby's due.

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So, yeah, I don't get offended at whatever verbal form the winter well-wishing takes place (happy holidays, merry xmas, whatever) although I say "Happy Holidays" myself.

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12/10/13 3:16 P

I think people have gone overboard with political correctness. In Birmingham UK a few years ago they put up 'Winterval' lights instead of Christmas lights. There was quite a furore about it and lots of people were interviewed on TV about it, including some Muslims. Interestingly the response of the Muslims interviewed was that they like Christmas, and that they didn't want us to change the name on their account because that actually sparked more racial prejudice if people thought that Christmas had to be called something else so as not to offend Muslims. Personally I would wish people a happy Christmas but then, in UK, 'happy holidays' hasn't caught on at all.

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12/10/13 3:11 P

Merry Christmas....nuff said emoticon

ANARIE Posts: 12,487
12/10/13 3:10 P

By the way, I don't consider "Happy Holidays" to be "politically correct." I consider it accurate. On Christmas Ever or Day I would say "Merry Christmas," but from November 22- December 23 and from December 26 to January 2, "Happy Holidays" just makes more sense.

ANARIE Posts: 12,487
12/10/13 3:07 P

It does bug me when people start saying "Merry Christmas" before Thanksgiving. I also get extremely offended if I say "Happy Holidays" and the person SNAPS "Merry CHRISTmas" in a tone that sounds exactly like "F*** you, b****!" (I have had that happen.) As far as I'm concerned, the only proper response to any greeting that includes the word "happy" or "merry" is "Thanks. You too."



KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
12/10/13 2:28 P

I once attended a winter concert called "A Winter Festival" and had overheard some folks get upset that it wasn't called a Christmas Concert.
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12/10/13 2:05 P

if somebody says "Happy Hanukkah" to me, I'm not offended.

if I say "Merry Christmas" and you are not a person who celebrates Christmas, I wouldn't be offended if you replied "Happy Hanukkah" if that's the holiday you honor, or if you replied "Happy Holidays"

I do think the removal of the word Christmas has gone way overboard, but you never know what the reasoning is. In the case that KJ gave, it had nothing to do with being PC.

I don't know why folks get their knickers in such a twist over Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanza, whatever.

just use my personal favorite...

HAPPY FESTIVUS TO ALL!!!

Edited by: OBIESMOM2 at: 12/10/2013 (14:14)
MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 13,751
12/10/13 1:51 P

I wouldn't have been offended, Holly Jolly Holiday sounds kind of cute.

Maybe the poster that was upset, was upset because of the song Holly Jolly Christmas?

I find that when people attack something with vitriol and viciousness. It says more about the attacker than anything.

DIDS70 Posts: 5,100
12/10/13 1:15 P

I say Merry Christmas to just about everyone. If they want to wish me a Happy Hannukah, happy Kwanzaa or whatever else falls this time of year, so be it. I've never had anyone yell at me or ridicule me because of me saying Merry Christmas

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12/10/13 1:15 P

I think everyone has a right to their own religious beliefs, and by using the word Holiday it also includes those that do not celebrate Christmas. I am grateful to the Muslims I work with or, as an RN, I would be working Christmas. Thanks to them I get to spend it with my family. Thanks to the Canadians I also got to spend Thanksgiving with my family. When it is one of their Holidays I make sure I work it so they can celebrate theirs with their families. The Detroit area has a large Muslin community and I have enjoyed learning about their culture as well as sharing my own. Happy Holiday to all.--- Mary

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12/10/13 12:54 P

I'm generally offended when people get offended over that kind of stuff. As long as you're wishing someone well for the holiday/winter/festivus season, it's kind of rude for that person to be offended about how you wish them well. If you're that offended that you feel the need to bring rudeness and spite into a season meant for joy and graciousness, then well, you're not exhibiting the tennents of your specific belief system particularly well.

KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
12/10/13 12:46 P

Disclaimer: This is not about Liberals vs Conservatives so please refrain from making those kinds of comments, thanks.
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So I posted a picture of a bulletin board from my school on facebook yesterday, my friend put a lot of time & effort into making it and it was all the characters from the original Rudolph, very well done and cute. Above it she had the phrase, Have a Holly Jolly Holiday, she said it rhymed better, I agree but whatever, I didn't make it. I liked it so much I asked her if she'd mind if I took a pic of it and post it on my fb page. She said yes.

Within an hour or so I had MANY not so nice comments about it because they felt that "Christmas" was eliminated on purpose. It was not but I didn't bother to defend the pic, I simply removed it.

I was not offended by the poster of it's holiday phrase. The school had no input into it and we have Christmas parties and Christmas assemblies and we all enjoy saying Merry Christmas to each other.

My friend's reply (rant) was scathing and dripped of hatred which I have never seen her post anything like that before.

Topic question: Are you "offended" by political correctness phrases or political incorrect phrases (not slurs) when concerning holiday greetings?

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