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ONLINEASLLOU SparkPoints: (50,467)
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10/20/13 12:08 A

Some people just don't think logically. They believe that anything that happens after they get a flu shot was caused by the flu shot because the WANT to believe that. They have a distrust of science and don't think logically and will believe what the want to believe regardless of the scientific evidence.

The scientific community has been monitoring the effects of influenza vaccine for years ... and if it caused the flu, that fact would have been well-documented years ago. My hospital has adminitstere about 1500 doses in the last week to its employees. If it caused the flu, we would have a huge percentage of our staff calling in sick. We don't. We're fine.

Millions of doses have been given in the past month ... and our communities are NOT dropping like flies.

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10/19/13 10:03 P

Correlation is NOT causation. Just because two things happen in close proximity does not mean that one has caused the other.

The flu shot does not cover all strains of the flu. It does not protect you from the common cold either.

I get a flu shot every year (high risk) and have never had any ill effects other than minor arm soreness at the injection site.

Edited by: AZULVIOLETA6 at: 10/19/2013 (22:04)
SUPERPSYCHED30 Posts: 175
10/19/13 6:50 P

I haven't gotten the flu but I did get a nasty virus that took two weeks to get rid of. Usually when I get any kind of shot in my upper arm, I get tired, cranky, and want a nap

ETHELMERZ SparkPoints: (93,621)
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10/19/13 5:37 P

There are a lot of viruses being passed around now, that are not the Flu, but so many people think any kind of bug is a "flu", even when they have a cold, they think it's the flu, people at work are like that. You can already have the flu before you show any symptoms, and you are also contagious then, too. There are more "flu" bugs than the ones in the flu injection. So, you get a "flu" injection in hopes you at least don't get the 3 kinds of flu that it covers.........but, you can still get sick just from being around people. It helps you, but you can still get sick, nothing is 100%, yet, maybe in another 30 yrs or so, that will be possible to have one injection to cover every germ.

JANIEWWJD SparkPoints: (240,587)
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10/19/13 5:28 P

I've been taking the shot for years and I've never gotten sick.

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 13,751
10/19/13 4:47 P

Just about everybody I know has gotten really sick after getting the flu shot. Which is why I will pass.

FENWAYGIRL18 Posts: 5,855
10/19/13 2:47 P

I've gotten sick in the past from it, my both parents get sick everytime they get the flu shot and my son did this year so not getting it anymore in this family... I'll take my chances without it

SHERYLDS Posts: 12,180
10/19/13 11:50 A

the following info is from CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/flushot.htm

What are the side effects that could occur?
•Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
•Fever (low grade)
•Aches
The intradermal flu shot may cause other additional mild side effects including:
•Toughness and itching where the shot was given

Signs of serious allergic reaction can include breathing problems, hoarseness or wheezing, hives, paleness, weakness, a fast heartbeat, or dizziness. If they do occur, it is within a few minutes to a few hours after the shot. These reactions are more likely to occur among persons with a severe allergy to eggs, because the viruses used in most influenza vaccines are grown in hens’ eggs.

What should I do if I have had a serious reaction to seasonal influenza vaccine?

Call a doctor, or get to a doctor right away.
Tell your doctor what happened, the date and time it happened, and when you got the flu shot.
Ask your doctor, nurse, or health department to file a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting SystemExternal Web Site Icon (VAERS) form, or call VAERS at 1-800-822-7967.


Edited by: SHERYLDS at: 10/19/2013 (11:53)
EMPRESSAMQ Posts: 5,077
10/19/13 11:38 A

Other than a sore arm, no.

CHEETARA79 SparkPoints: (78,209)
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10/19/13 8:03 A

Never had anything worse than a sore arm. I got my flu shot on Wednesday and I feel great.

BLUENOSE63 SparkPoints: (101,558)
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10/19/13 7:21 A

No I haven't surprisingly!

LADYCJM SparkPoints: (34,714)
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10/18/13 8:20 P

Think about cold and flu viruses like this:

Colds and flu infections are caused by viruses. There are over 200 known cold virus and hundreds of flu viruses. They are amazing organisms. For the most part, they have figured out how to infect us, grow within us and spread to others thus replicating their species, all without usually killing their host. Of course there have been exceptions such as the Spanish Flu and the Swine flu epidemics. But if you think about it, it is not in the best interest of viruses to kill off their hosts. This is why viruses like Ebola do not spread more. Ebola kills it's host too fast.

Some of these viruses can live on dry surfaces for 7 days. They can be spread by touching something and bringing into your body or by breathing in the droplets from someone else's cough or sneeze. The droplets can hang around for hours.

Another fabulous trait of viruses is that they have incubation periods that range from 3 to 21 days. And that during the beginning of the incubation phase you don't feel ill but are very contagious. Which means we go out and spread the virus to others, helping the virus to carry out it's survival plan.

After we get infected our bodies raise an immune response to fight the infection. We run fevers and our white cell count climbs. The aches and pains and coughing and sneezing and the misery involved is the outcome of the grand battle between the virus and our immune systems. Thankfully, our bodies usually win. Occasionally, while our bodies are fighting off the viral infection we get a secondary bacterial infection. This is when you hear about people getting pneumonia after the flu. Our bodies are trying to fight off both a bacterial and viral infection. Of course, once you get a bacterial infection you can try antibiotics to help fight it off.

Of course, viruses and bacteria do not like to lose. So they mutate. This is how we get new strains of viruses and antibiotic resistant bacteria.

When our bodies lose we die. Not the outcome any of us want! The people who are most at risk of dying are those whose bodies are unable to mount an effective battle. The elderly, infants, those with compromised immune systems.

So, when you think about how basic, yet how effective and efficient viruses (and bacteria) are the amazing thing is that most of us are able to fight off these infections and develop long term immunity to those specific infections. It's why kids seem to be sick all of the time and why we don't get sick as often as adults. And why the elderly are more susceptible because their immunity starts wearing down.

Immunizations help in the battle by taking a unique piece of a dead virus or bacteria
and using it to trigger our immune response. So when we are exposed to that unique piece our bodies have ahead start and can usually prevent the virus from gaining the high ground in the battle.

So we will occasionally get the flu, even with the shot. We can also get a cold, or a stomach virus or a bacterial infection. But, because vaccines are made with pieces of dead viruses the shots and the illness may happen within a certain time frame but are not necessarily related.

I have extreme sympathy for anyone who gets a vaccina reaction, it feels like the flu and they shouldn't get the shots anymore. (My DH gets this reaction). They run a fever, have aches and pains but do not actually have a viral infection. It's like a an over reaction to the vaccine.

SUSIEGENO SparkPoints: (52,427)
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10/18/13 7:51 P

Never.

CAMEOSUN SparkPoints: (81,283)
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10/18/13 7:31 P

Both my neighbor and violin teacher (in their 70's) got really sick after the Flu shot.

SUZIEQUE77 SparkPoints: (8,852)
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10/18/13 6:15 P

I got a flu shot two years ago the first and only time in my life. I will not ever get another one. I guess it could be a coincidence but you'll have a hard time convincing me of it. I was extremely sick the next day, and could barely get ouf of bed, sick to my stomach, aches all over.

I don't remember the last time I actually had the "flu" if I have ever had it in my life. I'm 54 and rarely get sick but was the next day after getting that shot. I have heard them all say constantly on TV that you can't get sick from the shot because it is "killed viruses." Well, I say if those shots can do anything at all including trigger an immunity to flu, then they can likely make you sick as well. It must not happen often or this would be a known, widespread problem. But I have to say I believe that shot was the reason I got sick and I'm never getting another flu shot.

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 1,929
10/18/13 5:42 P

Something that most people don't even consider is this... Where did you go to get your flu vaccine? Yep, the doctor's office (or the hospital lobby, etc.). You know what's in those places? Right...a bunch of sick people (sick with all sorts of things, colds, flu, etc.) and they are spreading their viruses (and bacteria) into the air, onto door knobs, railings, chair armrests, magazines, etc., etc. If you get sick within a few days after visiting the doctor (or someplace like the hospital), someone there probably gave you something.

The flu vaccine takes about 2 weeks after you receive it (sometimes a few less days) until it can protect you from the flu. So, if you get infected with the flu during that time, you will get sick with it and it's because someone gave it to you, not because you got it from the vaccine.

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 10/18/2013 (18:07)
FAITHP44 SparkPoints: (52,430)
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10/18/13 5:18 P

I got a nasty chesty cold a few days after having a flu jab last year. No ill effects in previous years and this year I'm fine, so I think last year it was a coincidence, not a result of having a flu jab.

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 1,929
10/18/13 5:11 P

I don't think you can blame an illness you got a few weeks after getting a vaccine on the vaccine. It really sounds pretty coincidental to me. You probably caught something from someone.

If you are saying you got the flu from the flu vaccine, well...the flu vaccine doesn't cause the flu. Sometimes, people get sick with something they were already incubating before they got the vaccine (there are other respiratory viruses that circulate around during flu season and mimic the flu so far as symptoms) and they blame the vaccine. Sometimes, they get sick with something soon after receiving the vaccine and then they unfairly blame the vaccine. Sometimes, the vaccine does cause people to feel a little sick after they get it (due to their body's immune system kicking in and maybe reacting to the adjuvant in the vaccine), but this is something that occurs within a day or so of getting the vaccine and it is short-lived. After a few weeks, there's absolutely no chance that the vaccine made you sick...not only is a few weeks too long after the vaccination for you to have felt ill due to your own immune system kicking in, but (if you are saying the vaccine gave you the flu) the incubation period for the flu (time between infection and symptoms) ranges between 1-4 days.

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 10/18/2013 (17:13)
SIMPLYME80 Posts: 406
10/18/13 4:46 P

Yes even though I heard a person can't catch the flu from the vaccine, I became very sick a few weeks after recieving the shot a few years ago.

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