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No being Gluten and Dairy Free is not being Palo, there is much more to it then that. Dietition Becky has written an article on the pro's and con's of paleo (not sure if its been published as yet, but she's posted about it in the forums already) that is worth looking up as she does talk about it.
As someone who is diabetic on insulin, celiac and has a dairy allergy and an intolerance towards soy n most nuts, with a few other food issues as well (allergic to fish/seafood and issue with citrus, apples and coconut) as a host of drug and environmental related allergies/intolerances to me getting the right testing to see if you have any allergies or medical predisposition's is more helpful the cutting things out completely then reading them (but then again some times doing that is the right deal to do, but to me that is under medical care and not dun without medical watch for various reasons).
There are tests that can be dun that will tell you if you have a intolerance towards wheat and or dairy and with the test for wheat it will tell you if you have the possibilities of developing celiac in the future (its a genetic test). An elimination diet is great, but if you are allergic and do have celiac then by reintroducing wheats into your diet you can be causing your body more harm then helping it (also for some with celiac once one is GF for a time being a lot of other foods come back on the market that you can eat that at one time you couldn't). Also if you eleminate then reintroduce and try to get tested you might get false results (the tests need the body at its peek of issues for best results which can taken a while after you eliminate for it to get the right results).
You might also look into leaky gut its a catch all, but it might be a place to start for things with your doctor at least.
"Has anyone else out there done gluten & dairy free to see if there's a correlation to inflammation?"
I have an intolerance to gluten and dairy - testing done by my doctor a few years ago. I am also highly intolerant to soy. My joints and stomach lining become inflamed when I consume any of these products.
You should note, that depending on your intolerance levels reactions may not be immediately noticed. When I eat soy I can tell within an hour. With gluten it takes a few days and even longer with dairy. Just something to be aware of.
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Hi, I also have auto immune disorders. It runs in my family. My Aunt gave me a book called the The Immune System Recovery plan by Dr. Susan Blum. She follows it and her symptoms have decreased. I am going to also to give a try. Gluten and Dairy free is not going to be easy, but if I feel better its worth it.
The best way to find out if it's the gluten or the dairy is to try adding it back one at a time. Try having some yogurt or cheese, but stay gluten-free. If you don't react after several days, try removing the dairy again and trying gluten.You may learn that you have to be really strict, or you might find that you can indulge on occasion without too many issues.
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Thanks to everyone for chiming in. I'm learning a lot as I continually check things out. I'm seeing that gluten & dairy free is not exactly Paleo, and although I completely miss my dairy right now, I'm praying that the health benefits outweigh the cravings. Today - day 3 - I ran on the treadmill, and so far, my ankles have only had SLIGHT swelling instead of the horrendous issues I've had before. So I don't know if it's the dairy....or the gluten....but it's progress.
Still learning, though!
Buying the book "Against All Grains" today, and am excited to try some Paleo recipes, but I won't restrict myself completely like they do (beans are good)!
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11/30/13 1:16 P
To add to what the last poster said, on this topic:
"So is gluten and dairy free Paleo? "
The answer is no; however, if you're trying to cut out gluten and dairy and are at a loss for exactly how to cope with that, you could do far worse than by looking for Paleo recipes. Such recipes will almost always lack both those things by default, so you would not have to do much adapting. And it's a reasonably healthy way of eating that emphasizes whole foods to boot, which at a guess would be beneficial particularly for someone with auto-immune issues (due to relatively fewer additives and mystery ingredients). Just as HoneyLissaBee said, be aware that Paleo will also not generally include any legumes, any grains at all, and a few other things you may want to keep in your diet. But personally I find it much much easier to add things to recipes than to take them away.
You can be gluten and dairy-free, but not be Paleo, but you can't be Paleo and not be gluten and dairy free- to an extent.
Some Paleos do consume some full-fat, raw milk dairy products, but many are completely dairy-free.
However, some people with dairy allergies consume things like dairy-free cheese slices which have non-paleo ingredients. People with gluten allergies will often have grain products (like bread) made with rice flour instead of regular wheat flour.
Paleo is COMPLETELY grain free.
No rice, quinoa, barley, wheat, etc. There is paleo bread that can be made with coconut and almond flours, but I'm not sure how they are texture-wise.
It's also free of beans/legumes (including peanuts). Things like string/green beans are generally allowed though. It's soy-free, and free of refined sugars. In some circles, things like honey and pure maple syrup are used in extreme moderation- or not at all.
It's not a high carb diet at all. In fact, it can be a very low-carb one. It really depends on what you eat. Some paleo people only eat low-sugar fruit like berries. Others, eat sweet potatoes on a regular basis.
Some of my favorite paleo meals/snacks include:
-Eggs fried in coconut oil with a side sweet potato and chopped apples also fried in coconut oil
-Apples/celery with almond butter
-Fruit with pistachios (the one nut that I can always find that's cooked without oil. Canola oil is a paleo no-no!
-Spaghetti squash, spinach, and chicken cooked in coconut oil
-Any lean protein with a generous portion of veggies and possibly a sweet potato
Target has garlic spinach sausages that are also paleo.
Personally, I love the paleo diet, but it's also restrictive- for me at least. I love making homemade bread for sandwiches. I love yogurt, cheese, and milk. It's difficult to be very strict paleo when eating out. Some people allow cheats, or at least some reasonable flexibility to break the rules. I still consider trying it out again. It is a pretty clean way of eating overall.
I did 5 days of a "Whole 30" once. It's basically a really strict paleo diet. I ended up caving and eating cotton candy at a work event (it was floating around my head). Yet, even though I completely lost it after 5 days, I lost 6 pounds that week. I wish I could make it through a Whole 30. I don't know if I would stick to full-paleo, but it does have some overlap with low-carb plans like South Beach, so it might be good to conquer sugar cravings.
I am so sorry the medical community has not be able to help you, possibly just keeping a log of your foods and how your system reacts to those foods daily will help you pin point what you can and can not eat.
For years I suffered as no one diagnosed me as pre-diabetic through regular-type blood tests, I only found out through an A1C test which estimates levels for 3 months. So not all doctors diagnose or can determine what's wrong as in my case as well. I went to an Endocrinologist who specializes in metabolic disorders and viola....
I hope you will find the help you need.
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I have found that the medical community is almost worthless in this area. I went to a specialist (in a bigger city - not just my small home town) and they tried me on a drug that's a hydro. I told them that I did not do well on them, but prescribed it to me anyway. Of course I had a reaction, and when I called them 2 weeks later, they said that I should travel back & come in for a consult. (Can't do that over the phone? They have my records, blood draws, etc.) And said there wasn't anything they could do for me anyway. I inquired about diet, etc. and they said that it wouldn't matter. At that point, they lost me for life.
I have been referred to another specialist, but I don't want the same story, second verse.
My diet is VERY low in sodium - I'm very careful about it, and notice that it helps. My blood sugar is well in the normal range (diabetes runs in my family) - not even prediabetic. I know that refined carbs stick to my butt & hips anyway, so I do try to stay away from those. But being "ultra-careful" these past few days, I have realized that I've said "no" to certain foods that I would have just taken part in anyway...and would not have been good sugar/flour wise.
High insulin levels are the beginning of a complicated hormonal cascade that can promote inflammation? Have you had you blood sugar checked recently? Sugar can suppress the immune system and you don't need to complicate things.
Wheat Bread would spike my insulin levels so I only eat rye or pumpernickel now....so I try to eliminate as much wheat as possible from my daily diet. I no longer eat red meat regularly...2X per month now and then its a filet mignon or sirloin which is low in fat. I eat a lot of seeds and nuts...like Sesame seeds, pistachios, walnuts, almonds as they are high in nutrients, minerals and healthy fats that lubricate the joints and can assist with inflammation.
You could be allergic to wheat, soy, eggs, dairy or gluten. Stick with vegetables, fish, seafood, chicken, meat, eggs, olive oil, avocado, nuts or fruits like pears, peaches, apples, plums, cherries, blueberries, strawberries, blackberries,, and kiwi which are all low glycemic.
You can help your body fight inflammation, eliminating sugar and processed foods, & red meat from your diet. Add cherries, spinach salamon, sardines and tuna, walnuts, onions, garlic, cucumbers, parsley, tomatoes, and fermented foods like pickles, sauerkraut...eating carrots, oranges, tangerines, peaches, squash and other orange produce can also help as they reduce inflammation. Eat 1 cup of orange produce a day. Protein rich foods are low in glycemic & Flaxseeds are high in omega-3's which can help fight inflammation
Rye bread is the best kind of bread to use for toast in the morning. Yes, that's right, better than whole wheat bread...If you're sick of that bloated feeling from eating bread, try the rye. it seems that the toasting process alters the carb structure of the bread.
Also foods that cause inflammation are usually high in salt...are you tracking you sodium intake?
Adding 3 tbs. of Olive Oil a day to your diet could help your joints feel more flexible and less tender within two months This soothes inflammation.
Applying Celadrin, a topical blend of fatty acids, provides oil to the joints easing pain. Find Celadrin often sold under the brand name ReVivex at major retail stores. It works within 30 minutes.
I spice everything with rosemary and I am pain free. It acts as a pain killer. I do eat some dairy, skim milk, Fage 0% plain yogurt because it has less sugar than the others, cottage cheese and gouda as gouda is a good source of protein and essential for building and repairing tissues in body, and also to provide energy.. get the Get the low fat version and eat 1 ounce sliced thin.
Always discuss with your doctor what medical treatments and changes in your lifestyle will better your condition as this is not medical advice. They will tell you if Paleo is worth trying.
Edited by: SUNSHINE6442 at: 11/30/2013 (08:55)
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1,225 11/29/13 8:41 P
I have an auto-immune disease and each time I work out (whether it's high impact running or low impact aerobics) I balloon up in most of my joints. After months and months of a low-sodium diet, mangosteen, tart red cherry juice and other anti-inflammatory measures, it was suggested that maybe I have a gluten and/or dairy allergy. Very possible...
So the plan is to do a cleanse and eliminate dairy and gluten from my diet for 21 - 30 days, then start adding back foods & see if there's a correlation. Then someone mentioned that it sounded like Paleo was then answer I was looking for...I don't know much about Paleo (because I thought they did a lot of carbs??) but I know it's a hot topic right now, and there's a lot of resources out there on it.
So is gluten and dairy free Paleo? Has anyone else out there done gluten & dairy free to see if there's a correlation to inflammation?
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