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SASSYBRUN
Posts: 191
3/17/13 7:04 P

The only link the CDC reported was to bladder infections. Great link, thank you.

He used the word "may" for type 2 diabetes, and I'm frankly surprised he wrote that, as the link to the diabetes epidemic has to do with our waist size not where food comes from (CDC).

A marketing of chickens reads "no hormones", well duh you're not allowed to give chickens hormones, what a filthy marketing ploy. However, if it reads "no antibiotics" (and it's true), then that's ok chicken.



SHERYLDS
Posts: 11,494
3/17/13 5:24 P

I was looking up a recipe to try quinoa when I came across a link to a news article issued back in July 2012 from both FOX and ABC on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced in March (2012) that chickens may be to blame for the majority of urinary tract infections. And The amount of chronic diseases, like fibromyalgia and type 2 diabetes, as well as antibiotic resistant bacteria that we are seeing in our population may have links to some of the foods we are consuming.
Read more:
www.foxnews.com/health/2012/07/11/can-eati
ng-chicken-give-bladder-infection/#ixz
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So while I need to take responsiblity for my choices, I naively hope that the FDA and the Dept of Agriculture protect the food supply from making me sick. Obviously, we want the right to decide how we want to eat for ourselves... but when the basic WHOLE FOOD is tainted...where do you go from there. With GMOs, antibiotics, additives, and the amount of salt, sugar, and fat pumped into the food supply...
is it freedom of choice...is it free enterprise...
or is it buyer beware (you're on your own)?.



SASSYBRUN
Posts: 191
3/17/13 2:10 P

I didn´t report anything, in case part of that rant was directed at me...



GLITTERFAIRY77
Posts: 8,023
3/17/13 10:24 A

*stands up and cheers for BN63*



BLUENOSE63
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3/17/13 10:14 A

Okay time to put the big girl panties on here and grow up.....everyone is responsible for themselves as adults ultimately. Now the purpose of participating in discussions on SP is to see what works for others and perhaps add helpful hints that have worked for us.

I am getting a little tired of the posts that say disregard the spirit of the original post and turn it into a personal and then have the nerve to report it! Really! Look if the post thread doesn't offer you anything, then don't post. Email is one of those things that is interpretation based -- it is how the reader perceives the post or what they infer not what they feel the writer has implied.

I don't think the "I am taking my ball and going home" is really going to accomplish anything and if you are expecting an apology from anyone's post --- if the group of people on the thread are in agreement as to the tone, they will support the poster.

Yet just as the original poster may be reported -- don't be surprised if you read posts that are not supportive of semi nasty posts toward the poster.....

Seriously just take it as a debate and don't make it a direct response to your own personal situation.

I appreciate frank and honest discussion on posts, not one word answers....so carryone GF and KJ,

Bluenose 63 -- and yes I have been tres thin, obese and mainted my weight where I wanted it....so I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly.



GLITTERFAIRY77
Posts: 8,023
3/15/13 5:18 P

Would you apply that same theory to illicit drugs? I'm not trying to be a smartbutt or anything...I'm just curious. Sometimes things are illegal or MADE illegal because of the major health risks they pose to the general population. Illegal and controlled substances(only available through prescription), asbestos, lead paint, and things like that...Why can't we apply this same knowledge to food? Everyone has to eat, so why not control/illegalize stuff which has been proven to be harmful? Because of personal choice? That's a crock of poop, I think.
We have great soil, and should push for sustainable, NON-gmo produce, with no unnatural insecticides, etc. etc. etc. like supposed "third world" countries with plant rich diets.
But
Healthy people don't make money for the drug companies and smart people don't make money for either drug companies or for the big, giant, humungus-in-more-than-one-way junk food industry.
Yes, people should have choice, but large groups of people need guidance and authority. If the authority whom we are subjected to submit to is corrupt, not much good can follow. Obviously, obesity is a huge problem (pun not intended but still funny) in America, and what the gov't is currently doing-leaving us to our own devices-is NOT helping to lessen the epidemic...some more drastic measures have to be taken. Are they going to be? Definitely not-because the wealthy rule the world.



VATRUCKER
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3/15/13 2:55 P

although I agree with you to some extent, u must realize people are going to do what they want, until someone takes that one freedom(giant soda)(food card) (house), the right to vote away, then its to late. Personal choice is a fine thing for the individual person,but put into a must make the right pc then it becomes a burden. For those of us to wish to be fit, and healthy, I say keep on. For those that don!t care, I say the choice is yours, hope u make the right one emoticon emoticon emoticon



KJFITNESSDUDE
Posts: 15,780
3/15/13 2:26 P

Oh well, I tried to apologize.....it got reported.

have a good weekend all! make good food choices!
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MISSRUTH
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3/15/13 2:22 P

This is JMO. I think the obesity problem is a complex one, and there are going to be a variety of things necessary, to "solve" it (and I say that in quotes because I'm not implying that the day will ever come, where no one is overweight). And also JMO-- personal responsibility is high on the list.

We got to where we are, I think, for a variety of reasons-- not all of which seemed "bad" at the time. For example, when I was a kid most moms did not work outside the home. So dinner was always cooked from scratch and all the kids I knew (my sisters & me included) carried a lunch that was packed from home, every day. Only the "snobby rich kids" bought their lunch. There were no video games and I can remember a time with no tv. Even after we got a tv, we had only one in the whole house. Kids spent a lot of time playing outside even in the winter.

I didn't eat at a McDonald's til I was 12 or 13. A "meal" at that time was a regular hamburger, a small fry, and a coke (I don't remember the size of the coke, but it was not large and there weren't free refills). Cost less than a buck and it was considered enough food-- no one routinely ordered a Big Mac and there was no "supersize" anything. Just to have coke was a real treat.

Even with all that -- less processed food, more physical activity, no video games, a lot less exposure to tv ads, less fast food-- I was still fat as a kid. We still had sugar even if HFCS wasn't all over the place, and most of the moms did some baking even if the only dessert was after Sunday dinner. We had bread and potatoes just about every day. You can get fat just by eating too much of the good stuff, and some stuff that's not all *that* bad.

So eventually more women enter the workforce-- for whatever reason. I'm not saying women shouldn't work outside the home, that's not part at all of what I'm talking about. Women go out and work and along come some convenience foods. Which were hailed as "marvelous" and people loved this stuff-- instead of cooking from scratch every single night, you could OCCASIONALLY throw together some hamburger helper or something and have dinner on the table in 30 minutes without any chopping and peeling and hardly messing up the kitchen at all-- just one pan and that was it! Not that many people had dishwashers in those days. (Well, Mom called us 3 girls her dishwashers, but I think you get what I mean.)

The problem started out fairly benign-- OCCASIONALLY use something packaged because you're in a bind for time. Unfortunately, it progressed to a reliance on packaged stuff. There are many kids today who do not know that you can actually make a cake from scratch-- they think you have to buy a cake mix.

Just as McDonald's was once a treat, experienced every once in a while. People CHOSE to eat there more often rather than spend the time cooking. People CHOSE to give in to their kids' requests for what they saw advertised on tv. Companies aren't stupid. They're not going to spend a million dollars on a Super Bowl Ad year after year, if it doesn't get them some measurable results. They're not going to spend money advertising sugary cereal on Saturday morning during the cartoons, if it doesn't boost their sales. If parents can't say no to their kids.... well whose fault is that? C'mon, really now.

And portions that were at one time reasonable, have morphed over time to be larger and larger. If "some" is good, "more" has to be better. Or at least, worthy of you spending your money on. It's not just with food, in the US. A tv in every room, a car for every driver in the house, closets bursting with clothes-- the whole country can sometimes seem to be an example of excess.

I've noticed over the past few years that more and more restaurants are including a lower calorie section on their menus. Personally, I'd like to see nutrition information included on the menu for every single item. I'm thinking the government would have to get involved on that one-- I don't see a lot of places wanting to do that voluntarily. So yes I think the government has a role in the "answers". How much of one? Not sure.

In the grocery store where I shop, there is a large case of milk up near the cash registers, so you don't have to traipse past the chips and soda just for a gallon of milk. This was done in response to customers' requests. I don't know of a single store where you can't ask to speak to a manager, and request things. Doesn't mean they'll do it or start carrying whatever product you're interested in. But I reckon if a bunch of people speak up, it's got a better chance of actually happening.

And somehow education has to be in the mix. There are a lot of people who do not know much about nutrition, and left to their own devices-- don't much care to learn. And some of them are raising kids, who are then not learning about nutrition from their parents. Perhaps it's something that would need to be done in the schools; some kind of health & wellness class or something that everybody took, every.... single.... year with age-appropriate material presented. Could include phys ed as well. So after 12 or 13 years of this stuff, they've got a basic foundation. Still won't "make" them make good choices. Again we're back to personal responsibility.





SWEETSUGAR7
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3/15/13 1:42 P

I know what foods are good for me and if I mess up I do what I can to correct right away.




CARTOON3
Posts: 1,436
3/15/13 1:41 P

I will eat junk food occasionally, I have really cut down on fast/junk food over the years.



OBIESMOM2
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3/15/13 1:35 P

@TD - yeah. Me too. I don't know what the deal is there. I can go without 'junk' food for 30 days, then BOOM! gotta have it
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OBIESMOM2
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3/15/13 1:32 P

this thread made me think of

“The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of one’s attitude on life. It is more important than the past, than education, than money, than circumstances, than failures, than success, than what other people think or say or do. It is more important than appearance, giftedness or skill. It will make or break a company. The remarkable thing is that we have a choice every day regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day. We cannot change our past. We cannot change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing that we can do is play on the one string that we have. And that is our attitude. I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it.”
~ Charles Swindoll



TURTLESDOVE
Posts: 1,061
3/15/13 1:22 P

if there is an addictive chemical in processed food, (I think there is), then I think it should be illegal. Why is it that when hubby makes me mad, I want a ton of sweet stuff, not a plate of broccoli? I was born in the dark, but it wasn't last night!



SASSYBRUN
Posts: 191
3/15/13 1:09 P

I'm jealous of healthy people for all sorts of reasons, the biggest being they can concentrate on other goals. There have been a number of comments that I've perceived as obnoxious and not helpful, and I stand by my initial post. However, I now wish I had ignored the post, as the author had already proven obnoxious to me, can't change the world.



NOTANINJA
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3/15/13 1:06 P

WOW..just wow!!!



GLITTERFAIRY77
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3/15/13 12:59 P

Can you provide links to those conversations? I would like to see them.
I've never seen anyone say anything like that. Are you sure you're not just reading too deep into things? Reading between the lines where nothing is written?
Healthy people are happier. Fit people are healthy. They aren't saying anything wrong or untrue, nor are they trying to rub anything in anyone's faces.
Fit people have better sex.
Fit people sleep better.
Fit people have endorphins released into their system naturally, so...of course, they are happier.
Hell, *I* feel happier when I eat better and exercise, and I'm freaking huge. I mean, seriously. It sounds more like the issue is that you are jealous, though you may not really see it that way, that people have made it to their goals, and you're still struggling. The issue is with how you feel about your journey and maybe some envy that you still have to travel to get to where they've already gotten.
Heck, I still feel that way from time to time. Instead of giving IN to those thoughts though, I convince myself that I'm happy for them, and in time I find, I really am-and their journeys serve as inspiration instead of anger and frustration.
Personal
freaking
responsibility
Not only for my food choices but for my attitudes, of which, I have many.



SASSYBRUN
Posts: 191
3/15/13 12:46 P

I've participated in the debate in other threads, with the view that we are being coerced and our efforts destroyed by influential mass marketing, availability of junk food. Unless I pack food for every occasion, I find my health goals are under attack.

And for someone to thumb their nose at me, "look I've taken personal responsibility, what's your problem?", telling me how "happy I a, now that my gf and I are super fit" is annoying, not positive (and there are more threads). I'll just stay away, don't need that sort of opinion (get enough of that garbage from the thin folk who were never large).



FIRECOM
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3/15/13 12:41 P

I have read all the posts in this thread and I see lots of evidence of a reasonable discussion. I saw no overt preaching. I did see some strong support of personal positions and this is good.

I am a strict take personal responsibility guy and I resent any group, government or even one person telling me what I CAN and CANT eat, say, go, live or any other variations of the nanny state may come up with.

I see the responsibility of the government to give me data (food labels) so that I can make up my OWN mind. I also think that to compare food labels to drug efficacies and contents is red herring argument. The two categories have virtually nothing to do with each other.

I got to be morbidly obese through terrible personal choices. Likewise, I got to my goal weight by good personal choices and decisions, thank you very much.

This is a great thread and there is a lot of passionate thoughts here.



GLITTERFAIRY77
Posts: 8,023
3/15/13 12:33 P

Yeah. Hulloh. I weigh 90 pounds more than you do, Sass.



BUNNYKICKS
Posts: 2,244
3/15/13 12:22 P

"So far all I've seen from certain people is, personal responsibility,"

Uhm. Yes, but do you realize that a significant portion of the people holding the position that "personal responsiblity is key" are.... currently overweight or obese? It isn't just the "goal weight" or "low weight" ones.

One's opinion on such topics is not tied to one's body mass!

Look, if you want to participate in the discussion - please DISCUSS. Do you think that "personal responsibility" is being subverted by the environment in which we live, where corporate Big Food marketers form lobby groups that direct policy that allows them to maximize profits by manipulating innate human tendencies (i.e. to seek "sweet" and "fat" and "value")?

That's what I think! Personal responsibility yes, we DO have the individual capacity for change - BUT the environment makes this a LOT HARDER than it needs to be.

And i'll still think it when I'm at goal weight.

We are here to share opinions. We need not all be of the same mind. It troubles me endlessly when the debate-of-opinions gets lost in "flame words" and personal attacks.





GLITTERFAIRY77
Posts: 8,023
3/15/13 12:14 P

I don't think anyone is being preachy by letting people know what worked for them...




SASSYBRUN
Posts: 191
3/15/13 12:03 P

So far all I've seen from certain people is, personal responsibility, I look so good (narcissism anonymous is calling). I too have lost and gained a number of times, and don't recall being preachy when I was thin/fit.



BUNNYKICKS
Posts: 2,244
3/15/13 11:15 A

Sheryl, thank you for that information, I am going to put that book on my list of things to read!

Along with "Fat Chance: Beating the Odds Against Sugar, Processed Food, Obesity, and Disease" by Robert Lustig. I've read some quotes from that book, and some interviews with the author, he is another that is pro-regulation. There's a pretty good overview of his position here
www.psmag.com/health/robert-lustig-sugar-o
besity-diet-50948/
, some particularly relevent quotes from this page:

"“Education has not worked. Labeling has not worked. And they’re not going to work,” he told me in his characteristically emphatic way. “Education hasn’t worked for any addictive substance.” According to Lustig, we need to accept that America’s obesity problem can’t be fixed by a Puritan resolution by each individual to eat fewer calories. To fix America’s obesity problem, we need a regulatory framework for selling and serving less sugar-laden food.'

“All health debacles were originally categorized as personal travails before they were declared public health issues,” Lustig writes in Fat Chance. “What if our breakfast cereal was laced with heroin by some unscrupulous food company?” Whose fault would it be if people became addicted? “Isn’t it the role of the government to protect us?”

"If we’re still talking in terms of personal responsibility, Medicaid is going to be broke by 2024.” So he’s searching for ways to pull civic levers. “I want to know what the pressure points are,” he said while sitting on a Hastings library couch during a class break. “I’m looking for the legal precedent for social change. TB, AIDS, teen pregnancy—everything is initially seen as an individual failing. It becomes a matter of public health when enough people are involved.”



I_HEART_MY_FAM
Posts: 1,809
3/15/13 11:06 A

I agree Bunny, very well said... The success is keeping it off and keeping up with workouts and such. I need these people around, they are the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, they are the ones with the most valuable input. So instead of looking at them with eyes of envy, look at them as guides, learn from them and be happy for them.....I also don't like you thinking all have to have a high number to lose before they want or reach out for help. If you and I would have done something when we only needed to lose 10 pounds we would be in a better place today, so please do not knock those who take charge early before they get out of hand and just gain more and more weight like I did. Remember, it is not their fault that you are where you are today..... At first if you do not succeed, pick yourself up and try again. I wish you happiness and success.



KJFITNESSDUDE
Posts: 15,780
3/15/13 11:04 A

I am in CONSTANT need of reassurance and help staying on track for maintenance, it's freakin hard!
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GLITTERFAIRY77
Posts: 8,023
3/15/13 10:59 A

I love you, BunnyKicks. For real.

Maintenance is indeed the hardest part. If it wasn't, I'd be one of the ones annoying people because I already met my goal, instead of being back here five years later, trying to lose the weight over again.



KJFITNESSDUDE
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3/15/13 10:55 A

Once again Bunnykicks, well said.
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BUNNYKICKS
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3/15/13 10:41 A

Sassy, that was a very unnecessary comment.

I have only just begun this journey, and I get a lot of inspiration from those who have already travelled it AND SUCCEEDED and continue to maintain - it helps me silence the ugly noises in my head that say "why bother, everyone just gains it all back and more, no matter what."

People at goal have spent weeks and months and sometimes years taking support from those around them, and I think it is wonderful that they stick around to "give back."

Also - it is said that "maintaining" is actually the hardest part of weight loss - once that burning drive to "meet goal" is gone, many people find it to be a very difficult adjustment, falling into old habits, seeing a few pounds creep back on.... people at goal may be here because they want to STAY at goal.

As for people with very little to lose (how rude, to categorize them so dismissively as "anorexic types!") - ok, our journeys are different. My journey (which will be in the 100# neighbourhood ultimately) is different than the journey of someone with 200 to lose or 20 to lose.... and that is fine, we are all here to support each other in our struggles. NOT to diminish each other's struggles by implying that there is a rating system for our struggles, "my struggle is harder than yours! therefore i have more right, and you have less, to speak!" Remember that people are on this site for different reasons. People don't use this site ONLY to "drop 100+ pounds" - some people come here to learn about nutrition and healthy eating regardless of their weight, some people come here because they have body-image issues to work through (i.e. those that are a healthy weight but feel some sort of pressure to lose even more - can benefit from participating here, where the message "you're already a healthy weight!" is reinforced, breaking that cycle of deprivation and self-loathing EARLY before they BECOME 100+ # overweight.

As for your comment about people "sticking around to annoy...." - If you find you have a "virtual personality conflict" with another user - avoid their threads. Ignore their posts.

WHAT HAS THEIR CURRENT WEIGHT GOT TO DO WITH THEIR POSITION ON FOOD CHOICES AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY????? It's irrelevant to this thread, and to the "cafe" in general.



Edited by: BUNNYKICKS at: 3/15/2013 (10:51)


I_HEART_MY_FAM
Posts: 1,809
3/15/13 10:32 A

Jealousy is an ugly monster. You might be able to be a success story someday if you were not jealous. I hate jealousy!



KJFITNESSDUDE
Posts: 15,780
3/15/13 10:25 A

o_O!?



SASSYBRUN
Posts: 191
3/14/13 10:59 P

I'm a little warm out by certain people that have met their goals, and seem to just delight annoying the rest of us.

Same goes for anorexic types that have lost 7 lbs to be 110 lbs. Sorry but you don't get this.

Edited by: SASSYBRUN at: 3/14/2013 (23:03)


200POUNDQUEST
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3/14/13 10:40 P

I believe in personal responsibility, but I also believe we should try to help each other out as much as possible.

My guess on why certain products are removed from the shelf when deemed "not safe" and others are not has to do with money.

Sure, if you're the guy that makes the drug or toy or equipment or whatever that is found to be unsafe and that's all you make, it sucks for you, but if you're the other companies in the marketplace and/or you make other products of the same type, government regulation that makes the general consumer feel that the products they purchase are generally deemed to be "safe" is good for the bottom line.

I'm guessing the "junk food lobby" has a lot more money to throw around than those producing alternatives, so there's no one with substantial financial clout lobbying for regulation. Plus there is a substantial industry that profits from people with health problems.



SHERYLDS
Posts: 11,494
3/14/13 10:05 P

Pulitzer Prize–winning investigative reporter at The New York Times, Michael Moss, has published a book called "Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us" about the processed food industry and its link to the emerging obesity epidemic.

Yes we are responsible for our choices. But...if you put a former addict in an environment where he is exposed to his addiction 75% of the time, then you might expect that his behaviour might go back to supporting his addiction. Meanwhile, 75% of the food in the supermarket is loaded with salt, sugar, and bad fats. We stock vending machines at work with junk. We teach our children to eat junk. And we keep pushing more and more convenience items...loaded with the same addicitive recipes. We even support unhealthy sugar with our tax dollars. And the food industry has used technology to figure out exactly how to make their products that much more irresistable...keep costs cheap,maximize profits and do anything you can to keep your customers coming back for more.

But are we responsible...YES
In the same way that a former alcholic would be if he had to eat lunch every day in a bar.
It makes it pretty damn hard.



TACDGB
Posts: 6,015
3/14/13 9:24 P

I believe that I need to take my own responsibility for my own weight issues. No one made me eat those m&m's or Ben and Jerry's. No one told me to sit on the couch and get fat. Yes bad food choice are every where but I am an adult and I chose to eat those things. I blame no one but me. I believe there is always another way of dealing with the issues of life and eating isn't the answer. So I would tell anyone who wants to know........I did it........I ate I got fat.



BIGISLANDWOW
Posts: 647
3/14/13 6:23 P

Deep.



GLITTERFAIRY77
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3/14/13 6:04 P

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sorry

not really

but kinda





BUNNYKICKS
Posts: 2,244
3/14/13 6:00 P

Lol Glitterfairy... random?

(STOP making me lol at work, omg!)



GLITTERFAIRY77
Posts: 8,023
3/14/13 5:57 P

*runs in*
I heard someone had pills. I could TOTALLY use a vicodin right about now. Not for the NSAID properties, but I want it to knock me the aych out.

PS. I TOTALLY got the Matrix reference. I love watching Ted try to play serious parts.


Wooooah.

Edited by: GLITTERFAIRY77 at: 3/14/2013 (18:38)


BUNNYKICKS
Posts: 2,244
3/14/13 5:05 P

"the SODA COMPANIES fed the media the belief you are now echoing. Do you suppose the soda companies poured a lot of money into making sure you got that message? Do you suppose they had something to gain from drilling the idea of the "nanny state" into your head?"

AGREE!!!!

"There is certainly a level of personal responsibility, but our society...is also set up to help us fail as much as possible...There is a reason why people from other countries gain weight when they come here, and lose it again when they go home. The prepared food we have available to us is worse here than in many other countries. We add more crap, we remove more nutrition, we grossly inflate portions and completely abandon proper ratios of food groups to one another. But today's generation was raised with this being the norm, so it takes harder work to overcome..."

AGREE!!!!

Yes, there is personal responsibility - but why do we feel we need to "put ourselves to the test" all the time! I would love to see a shift in policy and public opinion that would lead us towards a more nurturing environment conducive to "public health goals." It's just too much to expect people to be constantly vigilant - and patently ridiculous that the only way to "stay a healthy weight" is to basically reject social norms and live a lifestyle in constant struggle and battle with one's surrounding environment.

We know what to do - and it's up to us to do it - but WHY does "doing the healthy thing/making the good choice" always have to be the most difficult thing? It should be made easier for us to make the right choices - really, isn't it ridiculous the way we must pore over restaurant menu nutrition facts and plan and plan and plan and plan JUST to be able to have a "sensible lunch" outside the home? Isn't it ridiculous that it costs us economically (more $ per ounce) to purchase small portions vs large? That we must run the gamut of the soda-pop-and-chips aisle of the grocery store before we are allowed to see the milk (which is ALWAYS placed on the far back wall?).

I don't think we get any extra low-fat-brownie points in this life for "facing up to a hostile environment and overcoming against all the odds" - why should we expect that "eating appropriately and maintaining reasonable health" can ONLY come to those of us that "deserve" it as victors in "The Fight?"

A fight that begins for so many of us, before we are in any position to think through the issue - obesity begins for so many of us as infants and children. We feed them processed sodium-filled fat-filled chicken nuggets and french fries, not just for a "kiddie treat" but as a regular feature on the school lunch menu? What is this madness!

The ONLY way to prevent or recover from obesity is to exercise personal responsibility.

But i certainly do think the environmental context we operate within could be adjusted, to make the exercise of personal responsibility a whole lot easier.

I do NOT take any pleasure in seeing 37% of all people FAIL at the task of "exercising personal responsibilty" (and that is the current obesity rate for the USA). We can scoff at every 3rd person saying "hey buddy it is up to you - deal with it" - OR we can consider that maybe just maybe if this many people are FAILING the test, then something's gotta be changed to make passing it just a little easier.

/soapbox.



Edited by: BUNNYKICKS at: 3/14/2013 (17:07)


ELENGIL
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3/14/13 3:10 P

I think it's a bit of both. There is certainly a level of personal responsibility, but our society (American society, that is) is also set up to help us fail as much as possible. Mostly I think it's an unfortunate lack of proper information and mass influx of misinformation, and mixed heavily with plain old ignorance.

There is a reason why people from other countries gain weight when they come here, and lose it again when they go home. The prepared food we have available to us is worse here than in many other countries. We add more crap, we remove more nutrition, we grossly inflate portions and completely abandon proper ratios of food groups to one another.

But today's generation was raised with this being the norm, so it takes harder work to overcome than it did back before this happened. There are new fad diets out every season, and each one makes things worse than the one before.

There are low fat, no sugar, carb-free options of almost every single food out there, so when people buy these *thinking* they are being health-conscious and then wonder why their weight keeps going up and health keeps going down, we have to be reasonable and put a portion of the blame on those people who are marketing this crap as being the healthy.

It is harder to stay healthy when you were never properly taught how! I would say that being healthy needs to be the focus of each individual because no one *else* is going to do it for you. Not the diet companies, not the pharmaceutical companies, not the soda companies, not the sugar manufacturers, not the person in the cubical next to you.

Getting healthy is both a personal responsibility and an uphill battle. Getting unhealthy is fast-tracked by society.

We've lost the collective ability to cook, so we feel more dependent on prepared foods, which are not designed to make us healthy but designed to make us want more of their foods.

Information - proper information - about nutrition, diet, portions, and even simple things like *how to cook* are vital to getting healthy, and this is the information that is sorely lacking, and getting worse with every generation.

I think it's personal responsibility, but also society's responsibility, to help society become healthier. We should each be helping those around us!




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3/14/13 2:37 P



I_HEART_MY_FAM
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3/14/13 2:25 P

KJ- I agree but there is a bigger problem then that though. Responsible label readers are not getting accurate information. That is the more important thing to fight. The things they allow in foods is horrific. Calories on meals that are suppose to be low fat/low calorie are lies. All ingredients not listed at times on packages. We should know when pink slime with chemicals have been added to our foods. FDA needs to get their butts to work and realize we deserve accurate readings. I seen on 20/20 where labeling was way off, a meal they quoted as 180 calories was 540. I dont buy pre packaged stuff, I cook homemade meals myself, but I know many do. I do read labels even though I am fully aware they might not be accurate, I am large and taking charge of what I consume. I have made many changes by living and learning. We (you and I) are relatively close in age and I know how it was when we were growing up, no one worried about this or that. They just cut back some when they wanted to lose weight. There wasn't high fructose corn syrup in every dang thing and false sugars, those false sugars are a farce they trigger hunger pangs. I am happy many of today's young adults are really educating themselves and are making changes. The younger people then me are the ones who are helping me out by putting info out and socializing about such things. Great topic and I hear ya but added to it. Here's your flag :) emoticon



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3/14/13 2:19 P

the BLUE pill?

isn't that Viagra??? emoticon



KJFITNESSDUDE
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3/14/13 2:18 P

Yes, yes I do. We all are swallowing the blue pill unfortunately.



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3/14/13 2:17 P

part of it also has do to with some very strong lobbies. The big corps have big bucks to help them get what they want from the decision makers.

That's part of the reason tobacco companies got away with what they did for so many years.

And part of the reason the banks were allowed to get "too big to fail" in the first place



LILLIPUTIANNA
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3/14/13 2:12 P

"I mean without someone checking out that stuff they could make Rat Poison as the new energy drink....."

You say that the "ban" on soda sizes was a farce, yet when legislation was introduced to monitor companies to make sure they don't put rat poison in our food, THAT was considered intrusive and companies started saying that individuals needed to take personal responsibility for what they consumed and the laws were not required.

In the case of the NYC soda regulations, the SODA COMPANIES fed the media the belief you are now echoing. Do you suppose the soda companies poured a lot of money into making sure you got that message? Do you suppose they had something to gain from drilling the idea of the "nanny state" into your head?



KJFITNESSDUDE
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3/14/13 2:06 P

Well said GF77!




GLITTERFAIRY77
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3/14/13 1:38 P

The deal is, people do not like taking personal responsibility for failure, because it's uncomfortable. It's a "disease" or an "addiction" which is a total freaking copout. It's bologna, and as we all know, bologna is horrible for you...Anyway, I totally, and completely, take responsibility for my own eating choices from the time I was at an age of reasoning. I am working on changing my choices to rectify the situation before it's too late. I blame myself for the weight issues my daughter and son have, but again, I'm working on changing that so they don't carry the old habits into their adulthood. At least if they do, I can say I worked at making things better so they would KNOW a better way.

By the same token, though, if a prescription drug is proven harmful or deadly for us, the FDA takes it off the shelf. I don't get why they don't do the same thing to foods and additives? Because that would cost money.
*sings* You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't get out of the game.



KJFITNESSDUDE
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3/14/13 1:29 P

Question: If one is obese (I use to be) and one believes in "personal reponsibility" (i.e. take ownership in being that way), does that mean that that person is SOLELY accountable for their own state of health? What about a child? Should Toddlers be held personally responsible for their food choices? (of course not) Would accepting the outcome of our own poor food choices be an admission of our own failure? Is it just as simple as claiming to be personally responsible for our own food choices enough to make us be thinner and healthier (and yes, there's a serious correlation between being thinner and healthier)?

That recent ban on soda drink sizes was a farce, but is the answer just as simple as touting personal choice or are company's marketing strategy working against us? For us? Cigarette companies learned a hard lesson and then had to start putting warning labels on their products, Should we all just accept what companies put out on the market and let us do the research ourselves to see if it's okay to consume? I mean without someone checking out that stuff they could make Rat Poison as the new energy drink.....of course people would die but it was their own personal responsibility to check out if the product was consumble in the first place, right?

*where's my flag!?"



 
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