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FITCHALLENGER
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9/6/11 4:46 P
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Report the add. The web site has no control over what is being publicised; that is determined by complex automatic algorithms.
Besides, see it this way, if you don't have the courage to see a pizza add and not be bothered by it, you won't have the courage to say "no" to pizza when it is actually placed in front of you. Junk food is and will always be in ads, TV, radio, internet, at the street, at the movies, and maybe even in your refrigerator, so it's not about pretending it does not exist, it's all about determination and self control.
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RAINBOWCHARMER
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9/6/11 12:33 P
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I agree on the moderation thing. I typically don't look at the ads. As someone else mentioned, they could be for go-karts for all I know.  But I do agree that a moderation lifestyle is the only way to make this work long-term. Banning something you love for the rest of your life is just not going to work out real well. I've been there/done that, and failed miserably. Now I don't have pizza regularly, but maybe every other month or so. And I thoroughly enjoy it!!! And it's working!! Good luck, ignore the ads if they're advertising something you crave (or find a way to fit that into your calorie allowance once in a while), and use SP for all the amazing tools it offers.
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SP_COACH_TANYA
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9/6/11 11:38 A
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I will lend my view to "we could end the debate and ask a SP coach if they agree that a few pieces of dominoes and a jug of coke is recommended for weight loss, or increasing health....."
We believe that any food can be part of a healthy eating plan that promotes weight loss or maintaining a healthy weight -- including coke, diet coke, pizza, burgers and fries. Just as formula can have a place in a healthy breastfeeding relationship. People get into trouble when they follow an "always-never" approach to living. Trying to always eat healthy and never have a treat leads to following extremes and giving up when that perfect eating approach can't be maintained day in and day out and causes people to feel like they are missing out. It is the premise of a "diet" instead of healthy eating.
There are MANY healthy children, teens and adults that have grown up eating pizza, burgers, soda and candy who had it occasionally in addition to their whole grains, lean meats, low fat dairy, fruits and vegetables. There are also many others that only had the healthy options occasionally and had a diet that was mostly pizza, soda, fast food etc.
Sorry that the ad bothered you but are glad you love the site and the tools and resources it provides.
Coach Tanya
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ANARIE
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9/4/11 5:31 P
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"lol... says the fit person"
If you stop to think, you're going to see that you've provided a very neat counter to your own argument. Zorbs is NOW a fit person, who has managed to get that way while eating the occasional slice of pizza. There are hundreds of people just like her on the site, living proof that no single food is incompatible with healthy living or becoming more fit. Granted, Zorbs was never very overweight, but there are many of us here who have been.
"Listen everyone, its a fact that childhood obesity, adult obesity and diabetes are caused by overweight people eating and feeding their family greasy takeout."
Really? How do you explain me, then? I was an obese child, raised nearly 50 miles from the nearest fast-food restaurant. No one ever fed me greasy takeout, so how did I get fat? What about my mother? And her mother, and my father's mother? All of them were overweight at times and in places where there was no such thing as takeout.
Certainly, fast food is a likely contributor to obesity for some people. But so are inactivity, too much use of media, and lack of sleep. Does that mean that ads for cars, TV programs, and beverages containing caffeine are inappropriate? If food manufacturers and advertisers need to be held responsible for obesity, why not Ford and GM, since their cheap cars make it possible for people to drive two blocks to the grocery store instead of walking? Really, driving a car isn't healthy for anyone. And we should just ban television from broadcasting and shut down the Internet after 11 pm, since late-night TV and Internet use is a major factor in lack of sleep and there is a very clear correlation between excess body weight and fewer sleep hours, especially in children.
I very rarely eat fast food or takeout, and when I do, I have no trouble eating one slice with a large salad. I struggle with my weight because I eat too much peanut butter, nuts, dried fruit, and cereal. I find it very hard to open a package of cashews or dried apricots and eat just one serving. There are plenty of people like me, who find it difficult to control portion size of foods that are considered perfectly acceptable for other people, but I would never dream of suggesting that those things shouldn't be advertised. You'll also find a lot of members here who think fruit and whole grains are extremely unhealthy and have NO nutritional value. I for one would be very sad if SparkPeople capitulated to those people and banned those ads from the site.
(Okay, no, I wouldn't, because I use Ad Blocker so I would never know about it......)
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JACKSMOMMYTEM
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9/4/11 4:24 P
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lol... says the fit person. Listen everyone, its a fact that childhood obesity, adult obesity and diabetes are caused by overweight people eating and feeding their family greasy takeout. You can argue that dominoes is healthy until the cows come home, the fact is, that dominoes is not healthy food. The media's role in seducing overweight people to consume unhealthy products leads to overweight people getting fatter. Everyone SHOULD ignore advertisements that do not contribute to their health, but unfortunately, for an obese person beginning a weight loss journey, wonderful ads of seemingly "veggie loaded" pizzas (which is actually a deluxe pizza with pepperoni and veg that has no nutritional value whatsoever as it has been sitting out on dominoes counter for 12+ hrs today, plus yesterday before arriving on your pizza) are 9 times out of 10 the reason people fall off the diet wagon.
There is a reason Dominoes pays millions to advertise. It is because it draws overweight people to purchase their product, become addicted to their product, increase the amount of each order, and return again and again.
Edited by: JACKSMOMMYTEM at: 9/4/2011 (16:25)
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JACKSMOMMYTEM
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9/4/11 3:52 P
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UNIDENT
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9/4/11 3:40 P
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You quoted them yourself as looking for things that contradict "healthy living" not "weight loss". Is a couple of slices of pizza with a full coke "healthy living"? Yes, it is. Not every action in an otherwise "healthy lifestyle" has to be one that will lead to weight loss by itself. There is "lifestyle". There are social events, birthday parties, celebrations. You can't be "diet conscious" all the time, and since Sparkpeople.com maintains that their approach is "lifestyle" based, not "a diet", I think if you argued this with them personally you'd lose.
Yes, pizza and coke (occasionally) can be part of your "healthy lifestyle".
No, they're not foods that lead to weight loss. No, the ads here don't have to be for foods that lead to weight loss.
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UNIDENT
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9/4/11 3:29 P
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I have to agree with Cindy. The ad doesn't break any of the things you listed that Spark looks for in removing ads. "misleading, unsafe, offensive or contradictory to our medically-accepted recommendations for healthy living and weight loss" I think we can all agree it's not misleading, or offensive. So we're looking at whether eating pizza and coke is contradictory to "our medically-accepted recommendations". That means they're looking for things like the HCG diet, which recommends eating only 500 calories a day, or ads that claim that if you eat no carbs you'll be healthier. Not ads for certain food types which, while not "healthy", are okay in moderation. Remember Sparkpeople hemorrhages money. The site doesn't pay for itself. Founder Chris Downie refuses to make it member-pays, as he wants Sparkpeople accessible to all, so it's going to have to advertise. There just isn't enough advertising in purely healthy products to actually pay enough - they HAVE to take some ads which are "sometimes foods" (to quote poor cookie monster). Anyway, I appreciate that you didn't personally like that ad. Sparkpeople has a policy on how to report ads you think are unacceptable. Here is what to do: www.sparkpeople.com/resource/motivation_ar
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NIRERIN
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9/4/11 5:56 A
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you should really click the link that's under all sparkpeople ads. because it explains that sparkpeople does not do their own advertising, they use google ads, and thus keep a line open to get feedback on those ads [and to report the ones that don't mesh with spark].
because, you see, by the fact that you mentioned this, i can tell you did not have gmail beta and you did not pay any attention to the fuss google caused with it. because that's where they pioneered/tested the system that they use for google ads. which is this. when advertisers go to google ads, they pick keywords and when those keywords show up in the text on a site, their ads get played in the google ad boxes. i'll use some of my emails as an example. when i email my mom about my cats, i'll get ads for petsmart and those 1-800 pet meds and such. because cats seems to be a keyword that unlocks those ads and gets them to show. when i email my friend about growing pineapples, i'll get dole ads, hawaiian vacations, etc because that is what kind of ads writing about pineapples triggers.
have you found the issue with this yet? it's that many advertisers who have scam weightloss products have trigger words that show up on spark a lot. same for new foods and a lot of other things that sparkpeople doesn't want on their site. and they do have some control over what can and cannot show. the problem is that they can't sit around trying to trigger every ad that shows up. so they have to rely on members, who when they find inappropriate ads, to click on the information link and report that this ad is showing so that they can take care of it. because short of getting an advertising department [which it actually looks like they are trying to drum up enough individual business to replace google ads with other, selected sponsors] and setting up a room full of people trying to trigger all the ads, they can't do it alone.
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