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LITTLEBLOSSOM47
Posts: 60
3/8/13 11:52 A

Thanks for all your opinion that's what I wanted to know. I wasn't sure about detoxing your body. I was a little doubtful about it.. emoticon



CLARK971
Posts: 670
2/2/13 8:44 P

SIMPLELIFE2:

the following statement of yours makes a lot of sense to me.

"Just start eating clean and drinking lots of water. No special preparation required. No secret formula."

I think that people are searching for that secret formula that doesn't exist. With so many adults overweight or obese (i thought i read it was 2/3 of adults but am not sure) the diet industry is big business.








REBECCA1102
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2/2/13 1:27 P

Snarky... It's workin for me. That's all that matters to me! And the only thing she is selling is the book. She does suggest some brands but I've not had to purchase anything outside of what I already use. Not counting the flaxseed, sunflower seed and pumpkin seed that I've never used on an ongoing basis until now. But that's not a "brand"

Edited by: REBECCA1102 at: 2/2/2013 (13:37)


REBECCA1102
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2/2/13 1:18 P

Unless you've read the book you wouldn't understand. There are no restrictions. It's a learning process of finding out what you (individually) can or cannot eat (how you/your body reacts to certain foods. You start out with the least reactive foods (based on the experience of her clients) and gradually add back in one by one the foods you are accustomed to eating. Once you learn what does or does not work for you, it's your decision whether you choose to use what you've learned.

Example: I was at a steady rate of loss until I added potatoes to the mix (instant gas, bloating, up 1.3 overnight). Doesn't mean I can never eat potatoes again... It's just information for me how I react to that particular food and know that it should be eaten occasionally and followed by a day or two of non-reactive foods.

Another example: On WW I lost 30 lbs over a period of 7 months...I'd be down a couple of weeks then up, then down again... When I finally got to the point where it didn't matter what I did I couldn't lose but stayed the same for more than two months I couldn't see spending $40 a month just to be disappointed week after week. When I read Lyn-Genete's book and she explains the chemistry of it all so many things made sense. I'm not saying I won't plateau on this Plan. But at least now I know why and how to correct it. It's not always about adding more exercise.




OPUSEVA
Posts: 1,304
2/2/13 1:04 P

(with all of the chemicals in the processed foods we eat we have overloaded our livers...I see nothing wrong with lending a helping hand-dandelion tea)

Two things that are VERY WRONG with this statement:
1) It is a complete and utter fallacy that "chemicals" in "processed foods" have "overloaded our livers". I would challenge you to produce ANY hard data to back this up. This is just some pseudoscientific garbage that the Detox peddlers have MADE UP in order to scare people into believing that they need the products that they are SELLING.
2) The implication that "dandelion tea" will lend your liver a "helping hand" is more unscientific claptrap. Again, SHOW ME THE DATA. Find some proof that certain toxins (NAME them) are removed more effectively when dandelion tea is consumed. I won't hold my breath waiting for it.



SIMPLELIFE2
Posts: 699
2/2/13 12:24 P

"If you are like me and have struggled for most of your adult life to lose the weight by going from diet to diet... This makes so much more sense!"

How is this any different? You are on another restrictive eating plan. Your kidneys and liver effectively clean the body and don't need any help. As soon as you stop eating crap, they can do this more effectively. You don't need to purify or cleanse first. Just start eating clean and drinking lots of water. No special preparation required. No secret formula.



REBECCA1102
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2/2/13 11:06 A

The 3 day detox on "The Plan" is simply the starting point to "clean eating." It helps to not only clean out the impurities (with all of the chemicals in the processed foods we eat we have overloaded our livers...I see nothing wrong with lending a helping hand-dandelion tea) but also resets your palette. There are no weird shakes. Just smart, back to more natural eating. Lots of greens, spices (that aid in reducing inflamation), and plenty of hydration. The Plan is VERY individual... Because we all are not cut from the same mold and our body chemistry's are as individual as we are :) For me this has been an amazing journey already.
If you are like me and have struggled for most of your adult life to lose the weight by going from diet to diet... This makes so much more sense!



WACHTERAMANDA
Posts: 10
2/2/13 10:16 A

I don't do a "detox"--however, I do try to eat natural foods that are supposed to help flush toxons from your system. I drink aloe juice daily and I also add chia seeds to my oatmeal and water.



BOPPY_
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2/2/13 2:09 A

HealthyChristy: I like your style, and word, here. 'nuff said.



DRAGONCHILDE
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2/1/13 10:43 P

HEALTHYCHRISTY - I mean you no disrespect, so please take the following for what it is: genuine curiosity.

If it's truly that helpful for you... why have you needed to do it several times? Cleanses can't do what they claim to do; the body simply doesn't work that way! Dr. Oz is not a reliable nor trustworthy source of any kind of weight loss advice, period. He is constantly pushing things with no proven science at all behind them. You are sure that it doesn't cleanse your body: It can't!

Anything you do for only 3 days quite simply cannot make any kind of lasting change in your body. That's not enough time for your body to even really react.

Why not simply eat clean for a few days? Instead of making shakes, why not just... eat the food that goes in them? Avoid prepackaged food, artificial additives, anything with a nutrition label.

Diet mentalities don't work. "I can't have that because I'm on a diet" is self-defeating, because it's a negative feedback loop that makes you crave the very thing you "can't have."

Simply put: Diets don't work!

It's time to Stop Dieting and Start Living!

www.sparkpeople.com/resource/motivation_ar
ticles.asp?id=620


Edited by: DRAGONCHILDE at: 2/1/2013 (22:44)


CALLMECARRIE
Posts: 1,598
2/1/13 1:22 P

The idea of "detoxing" has become popular in, what, the last 10 years? If we actually needed man-made products to "detox" -- that is, rid our bodes of poisons -- human beings would have checked out long ago. Unless you swallow a bottle of Tylenol or take arsenic, "detoxing" is not necessary and might be harmful.



SPKRAUSE
Posts: 543
2/1/13 12:18 P

As per DRAGONCHILDE: "Now, a 'detox' involving eating clean, with whole foods and no artificial crap, is fine. That's not really a detox though, that's just eating clean." Exactly.

I'm reminded of a flippant yet basically true retort in the scientific community to 'alternative medicine':

- Q: What do you call 'alternative medicine' that works?
- A: Medicine.

And as per BUNNYKICKRS, a 'mental reset' or similar, finding a routine or ritual, is not a bad, personal thing to do. But there should be no illusions about the efficacy of 'detoxing' and the like. I find "I don't know if such-and-such works, but I like it" to be problematic at best: yes, you do know whether it works, or can know, because all the science has been done. Detoxing is 'not even wrong' in the sense provided by Wolfgang Pauli; it's not just that it doesn't work -- and that the process can be harmful -- but there's nothing to 'detox.' It's nonsensical. To the extent any detoxing takes place in the body, we already have systems in place: they're called kidneys and the liver. We know this objectively, certainly, and for a fact. One can 'like' it and prefer doing it, but one cannot claim ignorance as to whether it works, one cannot suggest that 'the jury is still out' or such.

Sorry for getting worked up about it. Sometimes it's as if the Enlightenment never happened. But thanks to DRAGONCHILDE and BUNNYKICKRS for good posts.



BUNNYKICKS
Posts: 2,268
2/1/13 12:02 P

Well, if you are focusing on a "mental reset" and just happen to choose one of those "detox" as the structure to guide you for a day or two or three, then fair enough. A short fast is not going to be harmful. Of course, one can fast without following a commercial/gimmicky "plan" but I understand sometimes it is mentally easier to "follow a plan."

I do get very concerned though, with the scare-mongering that i see in the sales pitches for these diets. Making people afraid of food and afraid of their own ability to judge what is "good" food serves the commercial interest of the diet seller, not necessarily the health interest of the consumer.

I can't see how it serves anyone's interest to tell people that "beef and eggs and tofu increase acidity, causing mucous, which allows bad bacteria to put toxins and fat into your body." That's just soooo wrong, so deceptive, it's almost criminal.






HEALTHYCHRISTY
Posts: 28
2/1/13 11:34 A

So, much to the dismay of the previous posters I have done a few detox diets. I have found it mostly a mental re-set for myself. If the "cleanse" is for a week or three days (I think the last detox Dr. Oz promoted was 3 days of shakes), and I restrict my diet for those days (no dairy, caffeine, sugar, etc) it is an easy way for me to mentally and emotionally prepare to start the next step of my journey. I am not sure if the cleanse actually cleans out my body but it certainly "cleans" out my mind! I find it easier to eliminate the foods that I already know that MY body does not like (but sometimes forget) if I do a cleanse because those foods aren't allowed on the diet - for some reason it is easier to say "I can't have this on this diet" instead of "I choose to not have this because my body and the scale don't like this".

I guess I am trying to say that I haven't had any bad side effects from doing a short cleanse and each one I have done has been another starting point on my weightloss journey.

However, I know a couple of people who have had bad experiences with a detox diet. I think it was because their regular diet was terrible to begin with (soda, sugar, caffeine, trans fats) and when they did the detox their body simply revolted - it just didn't know how to handle the withdrawal from all of the chemicals and crap is was used to getting. When I did my first detox I began to limit my caffeine, sugar, and general crap intake even before I did the diet.

P.S. My friend and his wife both did Dr. Oz's 3 Day Detox (3 days of shakes) the last week of December to help them get back on track for 2013 - again, a mental thing mostly, and both had no problems with it.

Hope this helps and that I don't get a whole bunch of "hate" mail. lol



DRAGONCHILDE
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2/1/13 8:51 A

This is why Dr. Oz needs to be taken off the air.

Every *reliable* medical professional who has ever taken an opinion on the subject has stated that they don't work, and you shouldn't do them.

Your body isn't a toilet, and it can't be flushed.

Now, a "detox" involving eating clean, with whole foods and no artificial crap, is fine. That's not really a detox though, that's just eating clean. ;)

You have a liver, and kidneys, and they do a pretty good job of "detoxing" you anyway. Detoxes can be outright dangerous, depending on how you do them, and Dr. Oz should have his medical license revoked with all the terrible advice he gives.



MISSRUTH
Posts: 3,311
1/31/13 10:06 P

I did not watch Dr. Oz today. Or yesterday or last week or a year ago either. JMO, but he really seems to just jump right on any old bandwagon. Whatever the latest buzz is, Dr. Oz is promoting it. Even if it's about the stupidest thing I ever heard. I don't have a high opinion of him at all.

The only time I've "detoxed" was before my colonoscopy. Cleaned everything right out. Wouldn't do it again unless I had to, for medical reasons.

I can see where, if a person thought they had some sort of allergies or sensitivities to certain foods, it might be worth eliminating them from your diet for a while, to see the effect. But that would be something you'd be doing in response to a specific problem. Not because you think you need to just randomly detox.

Edited by: MISSRUTH at: 1/31/2013 (23:50)


BARBANNA
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1/31/13 7:39 P

Not healththy at all, it is wiser to avoid putting bad food in your body.



SPKRAUSE
Posts: 543
1/31/13 7:26 P

The whole detox crap is a scam and pseudoscience. In addition to the WikiPedia link listed earlier, see:

[1] rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cleanse
[2] www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/debunking-
detox.html

[3] www.badscience.net/category/detox/





BUNNYKICKS
Posts: 2,268
1/31/13 7:16 P

I... no. I don't believe in the (pseudo?) science behind this.

1. Is there any legit peer-reviewed scientific study that supports the concept of fat "melting" away? Quoting from the interview between Dr. Oz & Dr. Junger, "The detox program will create the conditions where the fat will be flushed away... Itíll melt away." This is Warning Sign #1 for me, to step away from this diet.

2. Food is not a toxin. The list of alleged "toxic foods" includes dairy, eggs, beef, tofu (soy), peantus.... and the reason given for calling them toxic is, IMO, bizarre: "Dr. Junger explains that these foods increase acidity in the gut, feed the bad bacteria and create mucous in your digestive tract, which is why they are particularly bad for the digestive system.Dr. Oz elaborates by telling his viewers that toxic foods such as those Dr. Junger wants his patients to eliminate, all promote the growth of bad bacteria and suppresses the growth of good bacteria. Bad bacteria, he explains, causes the body to absorb the things in the intestine from the toxic foods that promote fat deposits and weight gain."

WHAT???? I do not buy it. Not at all.

Soooo you are supposed to replace wheat, milk, cheese, eggs, beef, pork, and peanut butter with..... kale, lemon-water, herbal tea, apple cider vinegar, and "protein powder." Well yeah i suppose you would lose weight doing this? But there is NO WAY i am going to live my life on grilled chicken breast, kale and vinegar.

I don't like the message given, that foods are "toxic" - especially when this very negative adjective is being used to eliminate almost every protein source we have available to us. And replace it with "powder." I mean, do they really expect people to eat like that for life? If not, are they suggesting that it's ok to go back to "toxic foods" once you've dropped the weight? Or maybe those foods aren't exactly "toxic" after all?

Sorry for the negativity here, but reading the transcript of the interview left me feeling quite annoyed.




BREWMASTERBILL
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1/31/13 6:56 P

Detoxes are a scam. Dr. Oz is not a trusted source in my opinion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alte
rnative_medicine)#Criticism




CLARK971
Posts: 670
1/31/13 6:50 P

this is just my opinion-but i am not so sure about dr. oz.

i don't think detoxes are a good idea. my journey is about making healthy lifestyle changes that i can continue long term.

based on my experience, the sparkpeople ranges really helped me reach my goals. it wasn't overnight, but it happened.



LITTLEBLOSSOM47
Posts: 60
1/31/13 6:42 P

Did anyone watch Doctor Oz today about detoxing your body? Has anyone ever tried detoxing your body?

Edited by: LITTLEBLOSSOM47 at: 1/31/2013 (18:44)


 
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