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MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,460
2/18/13 2:24 P

You know I was looking on the internet for shoes yesterday. And those water shoes popped up. I was thinking, I wonder if you could use those as barefoot running shoes? They are made of the same material.

Even though we might not always agree. I like to have my thoughts challenged

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2/18/13 4:56 A

I believe conventional wisdom are beliefs based on wide group of people who agree on an issue through their opinions whereas the truth is based on cold hard facts. I tend to go with the truth but sometimes you need to test all the conventional wisdom "theories" to find the truth.

Edited by: BLUENOSE63 at: 2/18/2013 (04:57)
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2/18/13 1:57 A

I'm a firm believer in questioning everything. Some people are just lazy or believe everything they read or see on t.v. or the Internet, but on some subjects, you've got supposed "experts" assuring people something is true and the average Joe doesn't always have the resources to test every theory out there for themselves, so I can't really blame them for thinking something is correct when people who are supposed know what they are talking about say it is.

Stuff like xyz causes heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc....I don't think most people want to say well I'll just ignore this and if I have a heart attack, then I guess they were right. Ideally, they'll do their own research and do some checking up on whether whoever is pushing a certain view point has an agenda, etc. before making a decision, but there's still some level of trust and guess work involved.

Even many people who see themselves as bucking "conventional wisdom" can often become dogmatic in their beliefs. I see proponents of various non-conventional approaches to whatever being just as blind and lazy in their promoting of their own beliefs as those who subscribe to "conventional wisdom" all the time.

HOUNDLOVER1 Posts: 8,869
2/18/13 1:51 A

Seeking truth is a team effort, always will be. That's why spark is so helpful. emoticon


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2/17/13 9:39 P

As a history teacher I always try to get my students to see how many beliefs and actions in the past - think racial segregation, keeping women from voting, etc. - were legitimized by the "conventional wisdom" of a given culture at a certain time and place. I'm sure much conventional nutritional wisdom of 2013 will look just amazing to people in 5, 10, and 20 years.

Change only occurs when people question - intelligently - and seek after intelligent, and morally and ethically good, alternatives.

UMBILICAL Posts: 12,786
2/17/13 8:47 P

Truth please

HOUNDLOVER1 Posts: 8,869
2/17/13 8:46 P

you are so right about minimalist shoes often being ridiculously overpriced. Fortunately there are dirt-cheap alternatives that work just was well. I have worn $8.00 water shoes from Walmart in two half-marathons. They lasted for about 4 months total and were very comfy. Not bad for the price. I have a picture of running in cheap water shoes on my spark page.


HOUNDLOVER1 Posts: 8,869
2/17/13 8:42 P

that's a totally legit question. I was not thinking of any particular post or thread when starting this thread. But you are right, there was some frustration that motivated me to write it, not with anyone in particular, maybe more with my own reaction to how many people accept conventional wisdom as fact. Some people do this because they have had little encouragement or motivation throughout their life to think things through on their own. Other people may have had the opportunity, through extensive education or life experience, to think for themselves, but have been intellectually lazy. Yet other people are primarily people pleasers and would rather agree with the majority on most issues or at least stay quiet than risk disagreement.
So rather than feeling frustrated about this I thought I'd see if I could encourage people to reconsider the issue, to question everything and anybody, the way most of us did when we were high school age but with respect for the person who is asked. Authority is there to be questioned and real authority will be able to provide answers to questions that are asked in a respectful manner. That should be true for experts on Spark, for physicians and for any experts in the field of health, fitness and nutrition. I have learned the most whenever I've questioned the status quo and considered answers outside of the box of convention.
So thanks for biting, and keep on biting. emoticon
And yes, breathing is important, too, so now I'm going to exhale deeply and wait to see who else is going to bite. emoticon

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,460
2/17/13 8:34 P

I used to wear Keds type tennis shoes. Then one day I had to run to catch a bus. That weekend I went out and bought heavier tennis shoes. Those barefoot running shoes are so expensive. Too expensive to experiment.

Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 2/17/2013 (20:35)
2/17/13 8:13 P

Ok, I'll bite since this thread will go to page two by morning: I like this topic but what was your motivation for writing it?

I'm asking because it has been MY experience that a thread like this "MAY" seem like a back door attack on someone elses thread (believe me, I KNOW this can happen, lol).

"Did you breathe today?"

HOUNDLOVER1 Posts: 8,869
2/17/13 7:35 P

your experience I believe is typical for someone who usually wears much heavier shoes. After over 2 1/2 years in minimalist shoes and barefoot my muscles have adjusted. It only took about 3 months. emoticon

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 17,460
2/17/13 6:45 P

Interesting thoughts. All I have to go on is my opinion.

As far as the barefoot running shoes. One time I was walking my three dogs. They saw another dog and in all the hub bub, I dropped the little ones leash and she ran away. I was running after her and my shoes were tripping me up. I kicked them off and ran in my socks. I was in so much pain after that. I don't believe that rubber "socks" instead of cotton. Would be that much better.

Other times when I have run with shoes with a lot of support and padding. I don't get the same pain.

That is just my experience. Someone else may have a completely different experience.

Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 2/17/2013 (19:24)
HOUNDLOVER1 Posts: 8,869
2/17/13 5:13 P

I call something conventional wisdom if many or the majority of people believe that it is true.

Throughout history many things have been conventional wisdom: the earth is flat, an atom is the smallest amount of matter, animals don't have emotions, people who have epilepsy are demon-possessed, just to give a few examples.
There is conventional wisdom in our world, too, and it is often much more convenient to hold on to this conventional wisdom than to examine whether it is actually true. Examples I see on Spark quite often are these:
- everything is good to eat in moderation (even HFCS and trans fats?)
- we should never eliminate whole food groups (who defines what a food group is, are we making a distinction between essential and non-essential foods?)
- even 10 minutes of walking a day will improve our health (well, maybe if we assume that the alternative is to sit or lie down all day, but who really does that?)
- eating saturated fat causes heart disease (tell that to all the people on the low-carb team and low-carb forums who have evidence to the contrary)
- if you want to lose weight you have to eat less (how come more than 95% of the people who cut their calories dramatically lose weight only temporarily, long-term weight loss has more to do with hormones, esp. insulin)
- if you want to protect your joints as a runner you need shoes with good support and cushioning (these shoes often cause joint problems because they encourage heel striking, many people who go to barefoot/minimalist running will improve their joint problems)
- If you lose a lot of weight you will be healthier (not necessarily, only if what you lose is largely fat, not muscle)
- If we had better schools/teachers/programs kids would learn more (maybe it is the parents who are failing our kids, they delegate their job to teachers who are overwhelmed with discipline problems and don't have time to teach)
- We should be getting all our nutrients from real food (it's good to try, but depending on where our food comes from and what we can afford much of the food in grocery stores does not have normal nutrient levels, in particular vitamins and minerals).

As you read this you may find yourself agreeing with some of my statements and disagreeing with others. But that is not the important point to me.
All these opinions can be discussed and reasoned with many good arguments for and against, but we need to make an effort to find out if they are true. Don't take my word for it, but don't believe the majority, either. If we stop trying to find the truth because it is inconvenient or unpopular we make a contract with the devil. But that is also just my opinion. emoticon

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