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CHIEF_GEEK
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11/12/11 5:12 P

Now they are talking about San Diego State joining the Big 12?? At least they are saying that here.



COOP9002
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11/7/11 1:26 P

There's obviously some merit to the argument about Mizzou's smaller athletic budget. The Tigers are probably close to a middle of the pack team in the SEC with respect to football, which is what all of this is all about. Andy Staples has some interesting thoughts on Sports Illustrated's website. Here's the link

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/a
rticle/web/COM1191920/index.htm

The school will have to find a way to raise a considerable amount of money for their athletic program, or they will slip rather quickly into the bottom tier of this conference.

Generally, the state is divided. Those in the KC metro area wanted Mizzou to stay all along, and everyone else seemed to be ready for them to head to the SEC. The Tigers will be in the SEC East with Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Florida, Georgia and South Carolina i believe.



ERICWS
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11/7/11 12:38 P

Lahman, what the heck was that post about? Lame, man.

Coop- yes, it's a done deal i guess. How do you think Missouri measures up? I read an article over the weekend that blasted all of these changes, and said regarding Missouri that it shouldn't expect to be competitive given that its athletic budget is half of what some other schools spend in the SEC. What's the local take?



COOP9002
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11/7/11 11:59 A

After over a century of affiliation with the Big 12 and it's predecessors (Big 8, Big 6, etc.) Mizzou is moving to the SEC.



CHIEF_GEEK
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10/30/11 2:23 P

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COOP9002
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10/30/11 11:08 A

Was yesterday's Mizzou vs Texas A&M game a preview of next year's matchup in the SEC? I guess we'll know soon enough.



X5X52000
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10/29/11 7:19 P

so i guess wv is ready to pay that 10 million$ buyout from the conference



ERICWS
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10/29/11 3:59 P

SO, the Big 12 had enough of Missouri and kicked them out?!



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10/26/11 12:18 P

What's funny is the blurb on espn.com that the Big East, C-USA, and Mountain West might form a "super-conference". What's "super" about it? That it will have 25+ mediocre-to-bad college football teams begging to be considered in the same class as the SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, and Pac-12?





GETNFITGUY
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10/26/11 11:38 A

West Virginia has joined the Big XII. Looking more and more like the SWC of the old days with TCU joining. I wonder if A&M regrets leaving and if Missouri is still going to head to the SEC.



CHIEF_GEEK
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10/25/11 2:36 A

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RPBURRJR
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10/24/11 11:56 A

Lahman, why the "Really?? Please........". Are you a Bama fan? emoticon



CHIEF_GEEK
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10/24/11 2:20 A

Really?? Please...............



X5X52000
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10/23/11 6:49 P

all these schools are doing this in order to measure up to the SEC. GOOO GATORS



RPBURRJR
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10/21/11 11:16 A

I am a Maryland guy, so I watched and rooted for the teams long before I went to college (didn't go to MD for college, went to a DIII school w/a football scholarship), so I have a vested interest in the ACC. That being said, I am torn. On one hand I am as sick of the greed as everyone else is, but on the other hand why should the conferences be held to some antiquated idea of what they are supposed to be? College football and basketball have been about generating revenue for a long time. Why not acknowledge it and let them adapt to the times. It might bring about a college football playoff, which I would be fine with. The Olympics stopped trying to keep "professional" athletes out because they realized that the "amateur" athletes were training year round and being sponsored. Let the college kids work. If they can trade their autograph for a tattoo, why shouldn't they be allowed to do it? The colleges don't need to pay them (that wouldn't be sustainable since you need to pay all athletes or none of them), but why can't a kid make money off of his own name?

All that to say it really doesn't matter how we feel, because this is happening no matter what and even if everyone on here protested and boycotted the NCAA it wouldn't make a bit of difference because the money is too big.



CHIEF_GEEK
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10/21/11 11:08 A

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Is how I feel about college FB these days.



GRAPEMASTER
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10/21/11 12:17 A

every year major college FB does something to turn me off to it now.



CHIEF_GEEK
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10/15/11 11:35 P

Bigger is not better!



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10/14/11 11:48 A

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COOP9002
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10/13/11 10:52 A

money and greed have been a problem in college athletics for more years than i've been alive. One would think that eventually, those who make decisions would learn some lessons from their mistakes.

things are pretty quiet here in Big 8 (12) country for now. it seems that Missouri is not planning on leaving anytime soon, if at all. my hope would be that they would be able to stay with the conference and that the longhorns are willing to make some concessions, and quit acting like a bull in a china closet.

it would be sad if the rivalries that have developed would have to disappear because of greed.

Edited by: COOP9002 at: 10/13/2011 (10:53)


GRAPEMASTER
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10/13/11 1:01 A

like everything happening in college football it sucks. they are just messing up the sport.



CHIEF_GEEK
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10/12/11 6:17 P

The Conference Realignment is all about the big money. I hate seeing it, and only speaks to the GREED these schools are all about. The NCAA needed to step in long ago and they didn't. Its to the point I have tuned my back to college football and don't watch it too much if at all. The big schools keep getting bigger and the small schools are left in the dust. I grow up a Big 8 fan and always will be a Big 8 fan. GO CYCLONES!



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10/9/11 2:01 P

I watched Darren Rovell's sports biz show on Versus this morning on the DVR- according to the show about 2 months ago the Big East turned down a multi-year TV contract worth $1 billion from ESPN. Unfortunately they didn't report why the deal would have been turned down.

I'm sure it's true, and they asked for it if they were so stupid. Now they can be the Big East in name, but the C-USA or MAC in reality.....



COOP9002
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10/7/11 3:16 P

As a Mizzou fan, I would still like to see the Tigers stay in the Big 12. However, i am not sure how stable this conference will remain in a few years if the SEC or Big 10 (12) expands again.

The death of the Big East is a sad thing. Since this movement is being driving by Football, it leaves some great basketball schools with nowhere to turn. If the B-12 folds, Kansas will find itself in a similar situation to the remaining schools in the Big East.

Hopefully things will clear up and settle down here in the next week or so.

Edited by: COOP9002 at: 10/7/2011 (15:18)


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10/7/11 10:35 A

From the article: "One Big East coach feared the worst, telling ESPN.com via text message, "the big east is finished.""

No kidding! TCU bailed on the Big East before they even started- I think TCU bolted for the Big 12 yesterday, right? So, the Big 12 is saving its Texas connection for now at least- it looks more like the SWC every day.





COOP9002
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10/5/11 1:06 P

Well, Missouri made things interesting again yesterday.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/
_/id/7060457/missouri-tigers-curators-
vote-consider-leaving-big-12



GETNFITGUY
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9/26/11 11:07 A

On Notre Dame, they are going to have to join a conference whether they want to or not if they ever want to have a chance to play for a NCAA Championship.

With conferences looking to go to 16 teams, its only a matter of time, those super conferences will have too many conference games to allow for Notre Dame to play anyone with any relevance if they are still Independent.

This is my theory:
There will be 4, 16 team conferences and there will be a playoff.

The Pac16 Championship game will be the Fiesta Bowl
The B1G Championship game will be the Capital One Bowl, moved to Indy.
The SEC Championship game will be the Cotton Bowl
The ACC Championship game will be the Sugar Bowl.

Playoff round 1 will the Pac16 winner vs the B1G winner in the Rose Bowl
The SEC winner vs ACC winner will play in the Orange Bowl.

The winner of the Rose Bowl with play the winner of the Orange Bowl in a neutral, centrally located place for the National Championship game, like in Dallas at the Jerryland.

I don't have the slightest idea how the teams are going to shake out. I thought that Syracuse would move to the B1G. I've heard that if the B1G goes to 16 teams they will be looking at Notre Dame (obvious) and possibly Missouri, Rutgers and Cincinnati. If the PITT and Syracuse deals don't get done for sure, I would think they would fit better in the B1G, leaving out MO and Cincinnati. WV would probably go SEC, but they could fit into the B1G too.

It will definitely be fun to watch what happens though!



COOP9002
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9/26/11 10:52 A

Bob,

I can only speak for this Mizzou fan. For one, I would hate losing the rivalries that have developed over the years with our neighbors to the West (especially the Jayhawks). However, the instability of the Big 12 will remain as long as Texas throws their weight around unchecked. I believe that is the obvious reason why Nebraska was willing to abandon their longtime rivalry with Oklahoma for the Big Ten. Of course, Colorado never seemed to fit in the conference, so their departure wasn't a surprise to me. Texas A&M was tired of being in their big brother's shadow i guess.

As far as going to the SEC, I actually like the option with respect to some natural rivalries that could develop with Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky. It would be a brutal football schedule though. Still, the thought of Missouri and Kentucky developing a basketball rivalry would be interesting. Obviously, the Wildcats would have the upper hand at this time. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what concessions Texas is willing to make if the Big 12 is going to survive.



BOB1216
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9/26/11 10:34 A

Coop - what do Mizzou fans think about possibly joining the SEC. I know it must be intriguing in a 'grass is greener' sort of way. Plus there's the stability. But would the fans really be behind this move since it means giving up tradition, rivalries, and a sense of geographical belonging? I'd be curious to get a fan's perspective on that.

(full disclosure here...I am a blue-blooded Kansas Jayhawk)



COOP9002
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9/24/11 12:09 P

Indeed. I am not sure if the Big East (as a football conference) can survive & the Big 12 still has some issues that haven't been worked out completely. So we may be in for some more changes next year.



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9/24/11 6:21 A

But damage has been done- Big 12 weakened and schools in distrust of each other; Big East gutted.



COOP9002
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9/23/11 4:12 P

well for all the noise about conference realignment, it looks the b-12 will survive for another year.



COOP9002
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9/20/11 4:09 P

A lot of this will ride on whether or not the SEC chooses to invite Missouri. That rumor has been flying around this part of the country all day. If it's nothing more than a rumor, then the Big East/12 could become a reality.



LEAHSDAD
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9/20/11 2:31 P

It's funny you mention the Big12/Big East thing. I heard on ESPN that there is talk about that actually happening.



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9/20/11 10:44 A

That's pretty enlightening, actually- maybe the "BCS schools" must want to try to protect their national championships from interlopers like Boise State by making it harder to crack into the picture.

A good way would be to expand where possible and eliminate a conference or 2? So it'll be PAC-16, "Big Ten" with 16 teams, ACC-16, and what- a combined Big 12/Big East w/ 16 teams?



LEAHSDAD
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9/20/11 6:42 A

I have heard that scenario thrown around. The way things appear to be happening right now I would say this is almost a given.



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9/19/11 9:43 P

I'm wondering if this might possibly lead to a play off system where 2 teams from each super conference go in to a play off? Might work out. emoticon



LEAHSDAD
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9/19/11 5:27 P

I know of one team that would be left out unless the athletic director and university wises up: Notre Dame. I live close to the university and word around here so far is that they don't really have any desire to put the football team into a conference. I personally think they should join some conference in football or else it could possibly wreck havoc on their future scheduling.



COOP9002
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9/19/11 3:55 P

it's sad to see once proud conferences, i.e. the B-12 and the Big East falling apart. if the pundits are right, there will be four super confereces with about 16 teams. if my math is correct that makes 64 teams that will be BCS qualifiers. The scarey question is who will get left out of the mix?



LEAHSDAD
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9/19/11 3:42 P

I agree that the Big East should prepare for a funeral. I don't think it would be a good move for any school to head to the Big East. At one time it was a great conference, but with Syracuse and Pitt leaving with the possibility of others leaving I just don't see there being enough quality schools that would be willing to make the jump to the Big East.




COOP9002
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9/19/11 10:12 A

I am not sure that anyone saw that one coming. I guess that it shows just how powerful football is in all this. Indeed a great b-ball conference is all but a footnote in college sports history. Since that was a possible landing spot for three b-12 schools, i am not sure how things will work out now. If West Virgina leaves the ACC for the SEC, then how does the ACC become a stronger football conference.

I sense your agnst, and wish i had an explanation for all this. We'll probably see some more puzzling things in the days ahead. As you may have heard there is strong possibility that OU, OK St, might move to the Pac whatever it will be.

The Big East and Big 12 can prepare to hold funerals for their respective conferences,



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9/19/11 9:45 A

NOW I am completely stumped.

Is the Syracuse/Pitt move to the ACC football-related? Because the Big East was arguably the best basketball conference in the nation. Yes, Duke, UNC, NC State, etc., are awesome hoops schools, but the Big East is right with them.

I wish someone would come out with an explanation for "dummies" on this- what is the reasoning behind this earthquake? Big East is all but dead, i think- not sure why it needed to happen.



COOP9002
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9/9/11 1:19 P

I could see where Boise would add a lot to the Big East. With the possibility of West Virginia moving to the SEC, that would make they and Mizzou the favorites in that conference, and also add a little more credibility to the football side of an impressive b-ball conference. if the B-12 somehow survives, Boise St and TCU were two of the teams that the old conference is supposedly targeting. Of course, rumors like these mean very little.

Mizzou shares a border with 3 SEC teams, and would probably move into the SEC west. Still, travel will be a challeng on the years they would have to travel to Florida. However, i have heard a lot of sportsguys talking about the Mountaineers moving to the SEC.



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9/9/11 11:55 A

Coop- your suggestions make sense. i wonder if the SEC might want to add someone in addition to Texas A&M... Missouri could work if the SEC needs 1 more team.



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9/9/11 11:53 A

Where does Boise St. fit in this? Do they want to be in the Big East? Regardless of geographic location, that sounds like a spot for them.



COOP9002
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9/8/11 2:41 P

I am not sure anyone truly understands what has happened to the B-12, so i don't think you're alone in your assessment.

When the Texas schools came into the old Big 8 several years ago, there were some significant concerns expressed by Nebraska, KU and MU.

It looks like we've seen Texas using its money, size and influence to run roughshod over the rest of the conference members, and some of them are tired of the uneven playing field that has developed.

I guess the Longhorn Network is the "straw that broke the camels back" for Texas A&M.

As far as the Sooners are concerned, they don't need Texas, but it seems to be their desire to try and keep their rivalry intact. Regardless of what happens there will continue to be a market for OU football.

My Tigers on the other hand need to be a part of a conference. I don't believe they possess the fan base or the financial means to be an independent.

Should be some interesting days ahead as this all shakes out.

Edited by: COOP9002 at: 9/8/2011 (15:17)


ERICWS
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9/7/11 9:16 P

I have to admit that I don't get what is happening- why is the Big 12 blowing up like this? To run toward the coasts where the media centers are?

Texas is a major and heavily populated state with huge $$- not sure why the conference can't survive as it has been.......

With that said- OK seems to be mouthing off at Texas. Will they end up in the same conference?



COOP9002
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9/7/11 2:02 P

While some of you probably don't care, where do you think that the remaining (nine) Big 12 teams will end up next year?

Since none of us really know, this is an opportunity for some healthy and gracious speculation.

Here's how i see it today (but this could change in less than an hour)

PAC 12 or 16 (Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, & Texas)
Big East (Kansas, Kansas St & Missouri)
Mountain West (Baylor & Iowa State)



 
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