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EXOTEC Posts: 3,327
9/29/13 8:06 P

Apologies, Jennilacey. My comment was directed exactly as stated, to "anyone" so inclined in their dietary choices. I really wasn't targeting you, veiled or otherwise. There's plenty of people reading these boards, and plenty who adhere to vastly different nutritional regimes than I do.

OTOH, there's plenty who follow similar plans to mine as well. I certainly had no intention of adopting the lifestyle when it was prescribed to me, simply because it *does* go so counter to accepted "wisdom." I had to research it for myself, despite it being a "given" from an endocrinologist under whose care I expected to achieve healthful results. This has indeed been the case, despite my severe reservations at first.

I welcome any other viewpoints. I would not be reading these posts if I wanted to insulate myself from others' experiences. I have my own viewpoints and experiences, naturally, which I don't feel should be excluded from discussion simply because they don't happen to be mainstream ones, either. I hope there's room and tolerance for everybody here.

Please don't let my differences from your perspective raise your hackles. That was never intended.

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9/29/13 2:35 P

its okay Jennilacey

my problem, is that people tell me try this or try that

and I have experimented withe vegetarianism, and I know it doesn't work for me

tried atkins - doesn't work for me

so I know how frustrating it is when other ppl think they know whats best for you

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9/29/13 2:06 P

Sorry Breanna84, that comment was not directed at you.

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9/29/13 1:57 P

It is easier to overdo it on simple carbs.

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9/29/13 1:05 P

I don't believe that every one way of eating is good for everyone. some people feel better as a vegetarian, and others feel better with lower carbs, or low GL carbs

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9/29/13 11:45 A

"who still subscribe to the "healthy carb" idea." -- you mean like food biologists and registered dietitions.... When you say; "still subscribe" you make it sound as if anyone who acknowledges that carbs are essential to a balanced diet are the fringe group when it is quite the other way around, ironic and reminiscent of the times when the low fat camp demonized all fats. I can't help but see such a statement as patronizing and will not be engaging in any sort of debate with someone who resorts to distasteful, veiled insults.

Still think it's interesting how vegans/vegetarians experience the same symptoms when they eat meat... is that a sign that meat is bad for you? I don't really see how it would be beneficial to adhere to any diet that deviating slightly away from causes illness but... chacun son goût.

Edited by: JENNILACEY at: 9/29/2013 (12:14)
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9/28/13 6:09 P

and yes, ONE slice of pizza can give me THAT reaction. Just how my body works. Yes I suppose a couple of days of clean eating should help me all right. I'm also taking it easing on the weekend for exercise and just doing gentle yoga for back and stuff.

it helps as it makes my muscles feels like i've worked out hard than I have

EXOTEC Posts: 3,327
9/28/13 6:05 P

I'm right there with ya! Sweets don't usually cause this reaction. It's the real carby stuff: breads, rice, potatoes... the stuff gets as far as the first part of my intestines, and then lies there and ferments. The only solution is to just get it out. And that doesn't require much more than the appropriate position. Sorry, TMI. =P

Unless you're already adapted to a low-carb lifestyle, it's really difficult to explain this reaction to those who still subscribe to the "healthy carb" idea. Some carbs, like those in veggies (non-starchy ones!) won't provoke it. All the other ones, at least for me, simply have to be avoided. I can only take them in very small "doses." And I *shouldn't* be doing that, either!

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9/28/13 6:02 P

I follow the DASH Diet and eat fairly LC (110-140 total g of carb per day on maintenance). When I overdo it, I definitely get that "carb sick" feeling. I can get that way from potato, whole grain, whatever, not talking about sweets or "junk." So I know what you mean. For me, the best thing is to eat light and clean for a while. A big salad with grilled or poached chicken, sauteed veggies and eggs for breakfast, grilled fish with salad or steamed veggies... I avoid dairy until I'm back to normal, and drink lots of green tea (decaf, if the caffeine bothers me).

You'll feel better soon, and get back in control of your energy levels and food.

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9/28/13 5:58 P

It's the pits. Junk is addictive. One slice of pizza? No way! Next thing you know, you ate the whole thing!

So, work on a carb and protein mix: a low-fat cheese stick with an apple. Or, half an ounce of almonds and some grapes. Natural sweet + protein is my cure.

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9/28/13 4:59 P

glad to know I'm not the only one. I know the look I give oatmeal and ramen and the bread hehe, its quite evil now.

I still want it, but I remember my degestive system. and I'm like "hell NO".


9/28/13 3:26 P

I feel your pain. I just finished a 4 day Disney trip with the dining plan! Talk about a carb overload. I need to wean myself back down now. My tastebuds are messed up after just 4 days and I will spare you the gross details regarding my digestive system.

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9/28/13 2:47 P

actually, most of it - wasn't sweets. I tried some atkins bars and those were worse than just eating chocolate lol

no this was just carbs. it ended up being white potaotes, pizza and bagels

pizza, it turns out, gives me diarrhea. everything else makes me gassy.

sorry, I know thats gross, but it sincerely hurts like hell.

I ended up eating 3 fried eggs with a1/2 c of steamed yams with lots of smart balance, some butter, and some decaf tea with half n half. i took some melatonin last night, and I ended up sleepin from 10pm to 7:30 in the morning.

I feel sooooo much better. I feel more stabilized.

then this morning I had a bite of cheese, 2 fried eggs, steamed yams and sauteed brussel sprouts. yummy. and balanced.

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9/28/13 12:01 P

AlgebraGirl- The same thing happened to a friend of mine who was raised vegan. She decided to be a rebel in HS and try meat for the first time, she loved it but it use to make her ill. Eventually, she just went back to her high carb vegan diet.

Edited by: JENNILACEY at: 9/28/2013 (12:04)
ALGEBRAGIRL Posts: 1,925
9/28/13 10:39 A

I am not a vegetarian, but I find that I eat mostly carbs and struggle to find protein to eat that is not high in fat.

Yesterday, after probably 3 weeks of not having eaten any beef (or pork, or even fish, for that matter), I had a hamburger. I had those symptoms - feeling sluggish, bloated, and just like someone filled my veins with sludge. So, go figure. I love having a good 'meat fest' in the form of a burger, in a restaurant, once a week or maybe every other week. I actually didn't finish eating yesterday's burger, as yummy as it started out to be. It's a rare occasion when I order something and I don't finish it!

Today, still feeling the sluggish effects of that lunch. But I can see that this will pass. So, let time do its work....

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9/28/13 8:54 A

I don't think you're alone in the "lots of carbs make me sick"... but let's not generalize here, I doubt you overate whole grains, vegetables, legumes or fruits, it was likely sweets, right?

I get a major sugar hangover when I ingest too much sweets, blech and I don't have any health conditions. Especially, since I started limiting added sugar in my diet.

So what's the cure? Well, time for one. As well as some cardio (as much as you probably don't want to right now, just some light cardio will do), drink plenty of fluid (water) and watch your added sugars... you don't want to add more to the pile. Choose more fibrous carbs today.

Edited by: JENNILACEY at: 9/28/2013 (08:59)
EXOTEC Posts: 3,327
9/28/13 12:40 A

Just get back on the plan as quickly as you can. We all fall from "grace" now and then.

One "good" (?) thing is something it sounds like you already have or are experiencing. When you've adopted the LC lifestyle, and have a sudden binge, your body tells you in no uncertain terms that you've done a Bad Thing. I call it "carb sick." It's not a feeling I care to repeat, often or ever. It's a useful feeling to hold in active memory though, because the next time you're tempted by some tasty carby thing, all you have to do is pull up that remembered yucky feeling and coat your temptation liberally with it. It sure reduces my desire to succumb!

The worst part of giving in to those temptations is that you revive the carb monster. Sometimes it can take me a couple days to get over wanting to eat everything in sight. Cravings and constant hunger follow a carb binge. My only recourse is to try to fill up on bulky stuff and just keep telling myself "NO!" to the others. Even though it's not bulky, I find that sugar free gelatin helps, for some reason, or some of my homemade bone broth or strong stock. I've also been known to just go on an Atkins fast - I only drink one of their shakes a couple times a day until I get over what I did to myself. A short fast like that won't hurt you. It may also help to load up on some fatty foods, since those will satisfy *true* hunger. Bacon, cream cheese, saute some good veggies in coconut oil and whole butter.

Hang in there. This, too, shall pass!
Hopefully the memory will stay, tho.

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9/27/13 11:22 P

any advice for comin off acarb high?

i was a bit careless and ate a trigger food, and it had a dominoe affect and now I just feel tired and sick. ughh.


I know I can't eat like other people because of health reasons. like literally, lots of carbs makes me sick.

I would deeply appreciate some advice

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