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ETHELMERZ SparkPoints: (114,773)
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2/26/13 9:40 P

The devil is in all of your details, too many details...................eat less, move more, and try to keep that up for as long as you can during your lifetime, you will be at it a very long time, friends ;).

Plan for tomorrow, but enjoy the heck out of today.
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2/26/13 9:21 P

it all depends. A flabby stomach is not muscle.
Tight bicep, shoulders that are bigger from lifting. That is muscle.


BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,359
2/26/13 9:19 P

While I agree that what you say is The Truth,

I also see a certain rationale behind "The Lie" (beyond just making ourselves feel better while we're "trying")...

A lot of people notice that as soon as they start up a new workout routine (particularly a strength-training one), they "suddenly gain weight, how can this be!"

And the truth of the matter is - water retention. When you do a workout that makes you "sore" the next day, you can bet your bottom dollar your body is retaining water; it kind of needs to do this, as a natural part of the repair-and-recovery phase.

But it's just "water weight" so gosh, who cares! Well, people DO seem to care. Quite a few people are fixated on "weight," period, and don't differentiate between "water weight" and "fat weight" very well. Fat is fat and water is "bloating." Both seem undesirable. And i can see how this thought process might then unfold: "Oh no, all this resistance training is making me heavier! I should stop... " WELL HECK NO, that isn't the message we want to send!

People may find more pleasing/motivating to imagine they are "building metabolically-active, dense and attractive-under-their-skin lean muscle tissue." And ultimately, IF THEY STICK TO THEIR WORKOUT PLANS for the long-term, this WILL happen. So, if in the short-term one finds it helpful to visualize temporary exercise-induced water-weight gains as "building muscle"... then so be it!



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JULIA1154 Posts: 1,783
2/26/13 8:42 P

KJ - Thanks SO much for coming out and saying something I've thought a couple dozen times the past few months. It was very refreshing and, frankly, it NEEDED to be said!


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2/26/13 4:27 P

Nausikaa- What you said!

But people will use many of these for excuses for not losing, instead of facing the fact that in all reality they aren't doing the right things, even though they pretend they are.

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KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
2/26/13 9:18 A

Just read a few more postings on this very concern.

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KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
2/19/13 3:36 P

@BTC1: which is why I think the retorted question ought to be, "How are your clothes fitting?"

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BLUETIGERCLAWS1 SparkPoints: (6,592)
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2/18/13 1:00 A

I get where you are coming from but I can see the difference in my legs now and before I started exercising. I weigh the same but my muscles look more muscular and feel stronger. I also can workout harder,longer and lift more weights. So some weight has changed from fat to muscle

LAURAAT Posts: 1,506
2/14/13 3:01 P

This is a really good point. And to be honest, I never really put much thought into it. Who wants to admit to gaining fat, when it's so much nicer to say you've gained muscle, or you've gained muscle and that's why the scale has gone no where.
I will think twice next time I assume I'm gaining muscle when the scale refuses to budge. Thanks for bringing this up!

KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
2/14/13 9:11 A

Let's hope folks are now more aware of what they when others have a concern about not losing weight even though they are "trying".
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GLITTERFAIRY77 Posts: 8,023
2/13/13 10:23 A

I'm probably guilty of using the phrase because it's just so ingrained, but, I do have to change that.

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Starting weight July 2012: 310
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GW2: 250
GW3: 220
GW4: 200
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"If you stay focused on the past, you will never be able to see what lies ahead."
NAUSIKAA Posts: 4,848
2/13/13 10:20 A

KJ, the line "you must be gaining muscle" is trotted out at every opportunity and it's almost never true. It is so freaking hard to gain muscle as you well know, having done the work to do it. I refuse to believe that people are building muscle by mistake. People just repeat this line over and over to make each other feel better.

Reality check: If you are sincerely trying to lose weight, and the number on the scale is the same or higher:

- you are retaining fluid for any one or several of many reasons
- you ate too much
- you have a date with the bathroom
- you don't know how to weigh yourself consistently (same time of day, same scale, etc)
- your scale is broken
- you have not created a caloric deficit large enough to show up on the scale you're using

I try to tell people this but the "you must be putting on muscle" line is hard to compete with. Keep on telling it like it is!!

GLITTERFAIRY77 Posts: 8,023
2/13/13 10:10 A

YEAH! I totally want to be more steel than whipped cream! HAHAHAHA! I LOVE that analogy!

MamiSheli53 is my MOM!!!

Abi~Rochester, NY

Aim for progress...NOT perfection.

Starting weight July 2012: 310
(dates of accomplishment for the following to come)
GW1: 280 passed 2/8/13-278!
GW2: 250
GW3: 220
GW4: 200
GW5: 175

I can do ALLLLLL things through Christ who strengthens me.


"It's a long, hard climb-but I'm gonna get there."

"If you stay focused on the past, you will never be able to see what lies ahead."
RASIRE Posts: 284
2/13/13 10:07 A

Nice post. emoticon

;-)
MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 14,200
2/13/13 10:06 A

This is how I got it.

You have a pound of whipped cream and a pound of steel. The whipped cream feels lighter and fluffier and takes up more space. The steel is dense and feels heavier than the cream. They still weigh the same, they just feel different.

Here is to all of us earning several pounds of steel and losing our whipped cream.



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GLITTERFAIRY77 Posts: 8,023
2/13/13 9:52 A

*like*

MamiSheli53 is my MOM!!!

Abi~Rochester, NY

Aim for progress...NOT perfection.

Starting weight July 2012: 310
(dates of accomplishment for the following to come)
GW1: 280 passed 2/8/13-278!
GW2: 250
GW3: 220
GW4: 200
GW5: 175

I can do ALLLLLL things through Christ who strengthens me.


"It's a long, hard climb-but I'm gonna get there."

"If you stay focused on the past, you will never be able to see what lies ahead."
TAMMYSUE21 Posts: 326
2/13/13 9:45 A

Myutmost - You earn a gold star! LOVE IT!

MYUTMOST4HIM Posts: 11,447
2/13/13 8:44 A

It isn't neccessarily the "weight" of that pound it is the "quality" of it

"Be not afraid of going slowly, only of standing still"
KISSFAN1 Posts: 6,257
2/13/13 8:41 A

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CEEMAY SparkPoints: (9,882)
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2/13/13 8:24 A

Great post! emoticon

GLITTERFAIRY77 Posts: 8,023
2/13/13 7:56 A

Indubitably. 800 calories isn't nearly enough for anyone! I know that was just an example, but...yeah.

MamiSheli53 is my MOM!!!

Abi~Rochester, NY

Aim for progress...NOT perfection.

Starting weight July 2012: 310
(dates of accomplishment for the following to come)
GW1: 280 passed 2/8/13-278!
GW2: 250
GW3: 220
GW4: 200
GW5: 175

I can do ALLLLLL things through Christ who strengthens me.


"It's a long, hard climb-but I'm gonna get there."

"If you stay focused on the past, you will never be able to see what lies ahead."
JENNILACEY SparkPoints: (80,279)
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2/13/13 7:55 A

Not to mention, it's pretty much impossible to gain muscle "weight" when you're eating at a calorie deficit. You have to eat at a calorie surplus to gain lean muscle mass.


Take your focus off the Marshmallow.

www.leangains.com/2010/01/marshmallo
w-test.html


"Toning" is marketing muscles to women who are afraid if they pick up a barbell, they'll leave the gym looking like She-Hulk. It doesn't happen, what does happen is you get results. Lifting Barbie weights does nothing but waste time.
GLITTERFAIRY77 Posts: 8,023
2/13/13 7:40 A

Right. Muscle does not WEIGH MORE than fat. It is DENSER. There is a big difference between the two. A pound of soup weighs exactly the same as a pound of coffee. A pound is a pound is a pound. However, the size of the container may be considerably different. A person who is, like me, fairly active and 278-280lbs, may look a bit more svelt than someone who weighs the same and is completely sedentary. I've been a size 24 when I weighed 235, but now, I'm in a 24, and it's getting looser. Look at my frickin ticker. LOL.
Good PSA.

MamiSheli53 is my MOM!!!

Abi~Rochester, NY

Aim for progress...NOT perfection.

Starting weight July 2012: 310
(dates of accomplishment for the following to come)
GW1: 280 passed 2/8/13-278!
GW2: 250
GW3: 220
GW4: 200
GW5: 175

I can do ALLLLLL things through Christ who strengthens me.


"It's a long, hard climb-but I'm gonna get there."

"If you stay focused on the past, you will never be able to see what lies ahead."
BLUENOSE63 SparkPoints: (107,996)
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2/13/13 7:17 A

KJ

Well said my friend....I would also throw in to figure out your BMR to find out what your calorie range is as it basis the number on your height, current weight, and how intensive your exercise is on average per week.

Too many people are undereating for calories when what they may need is to up the calories but eating protein not crap!

KJFITNESSDUDE Posts: 15,787
2/13/13 6:32 A

**Disclaimer!** - This is an "opinion" thread and nothing I'm saying is a fact, it's just my opinion. Thanks.

I have seen time & again people posting about how they are NOT losing weight in spite of their triathalon efforts and 800 calorie diets they're consuming only to have a someone retort...

".....oh, well, muscle weighs more than fat."

Two things here (again, my opinion); 1.) muscle and fat weigh the same, a pound of muscle and a pound of fat are equal, so I think the response should be. "Forget about the numbers on the scale, how are your clothes fitting?" and 2.) It seems to me that some folks can't get this right:
Cardio is for a healthy heart
Eating healthy is for losing weight
Strength training is for lean muscle (which is a good fat burner)

It's the culmination of these three concepts that'll get us looking good and feeling healthy. Oh wait, there is one more concept I forgot to mention:

"THERE IS NO SHORTCUT TO GETTING HEALTHY SO QUIT EXPECTING TO LOSE WEIGHT IN A HURRY, YOU'LL ONLY GAIN IT RIGHT BACK!"

But hey, if you're doing all the things listed above and you're still not losing weight then remember that it's probably muscle because muscle weighs more than fat....
(whereinthehell is that damn ROLL-EYES emoticon I keep requesting!?!)

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