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SLUGGER17 SparkPoints: (90,555)
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11/20/13 9:12 A

We've become a nation of greedy people. The sales are so tempting. I agree that this has gotten out of hand.

CPRCINDYC SparkPoints: (10,043)
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11/20/13 9:11 A

I hate that there are stores open on any major holidays.. but especially Thanksgiving. You're supposed to eat and watch the parade and football... Black Friday is awful too- we usually go to the movies.

LEC358 SparkPoints: (11,135)
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11/20/13 8:10 A

The only shopping I *might* do on Thanksgiving would be at the Christmas village that's opening in a park near my house. Otherwise, if I never shop at a Kmart or Walmart again, I don't really think my life will change.

LADYCJM SparkPoints: (57,456)
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11/19/13 7:25 P

Hmm we need a name for the greedy season from pre Halloween to New Years....
Hallabuyandgoindebt Season?

I don't begrudge anyone the opportunity to work if they want to, they just shouldn't have to need to. I've had to work many holidays. I actually lost money some years because with holiday pay, (mandatory) overtime pay etc for covering sick calls they took more taxes out.
Many companies used to reward their employees with paid holidays. Corporations are making billions of dollars all the while screaming how poor they are. I think it has less to do with holiday pay then it does with the fact that they fear losing a dollar in sales.

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11/18/13 1:36 P

You won't find me in a store on Thanksgiving day, nor the day after!!

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11/18/13 1:27 P

My daughter has to work at 8p on Thanksgiving. She works at Target. At first I was pissed, then I realized that for her and lots of other employees, getting time and a half for working on a holiday will be welcome income. Let's not even talk about the hospitals and the firefighters. If you don't want to shop on Thanksgiving, don't. But don't begrudge the workers for being happy for some extra cash.

LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 4,690
11/18/13 1:15 P

When I was a kid (in my early 40s now) ALL the stores (including the grocery stores and the pharmacies) were closed every single Sunday. Yes, they were ALL closed one day per WEEK.

If you needed something you didn't have on a Sunday, you just went without or borrowed from a neighbor. The stores were also closed on Thanksgiving, Christmas and on some other days throughout the year (e.g. Independence Day). We all lived through it just fine.

So, I see no reason why the stores cannot be closed on the holidays. You just have to plan a little ahead and, if there's something that comes up and you really need something and the stores are have friends and/or neighbors and/or family members, right?

How on earth have we become SO dependent (or spoiled?) that we think we need stores to be open 24/7/365? I mean...we really don't need this and maybe we shouldn't want it, either.

I also see no reason for employees to be paid so little that having a day off (twice per year--Christmas and Thanksgiving) should be such a financial blow.

Edited by: LOVE4KITTIES at: 11/18/2013 (13:22)
MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 16,919
11/18/13 11:57 A

I used to work retail and I love holidays. I also love Christmas shopping during the Christmas season.

Although if I was out of town visiting family and Mother Nature had brought me my monthly gift as a surprise. (you know she loves to surprise us) I would be glad that something was open.

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11/18/13 11:11 A

I flat out REFUSE to go to ANY store on Thanksgiving, Christmas or Easter. You should be more prepared for you wants and needs long before these days. If you forgot something or ran something else.
Needing something personal for those "female" emergency....please??? do what our mothers did. Find a plan B. Ran out of soup? Use a different one or eat something different. Forgot Aunt Greedys present? Give it to her after the holiday. She probably has everything she needs anyway.
Where do I get this thinking? I was waitress, retail worker, Deli Manager, call center representative, etc. I didn't have a choice to work or not. Waiting tables? I made less money those days than my usual. call center....another day to be trashed and cussed at cause not all departments were open those days. Retail....nasty attitudes.
I think the family unit is trashed these days and times. Too many single parent homes, too many broken finances, too may electronics....
Lets bring the family back to the table~!!!!!!!

JEFFGIRL Posts: 10,657
11/18/13 10:18 A

My experience with Black Friday shopping was quite bad. Don't plan to go again.

JUSTFORMARY SparkPoints: (7,423)
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11/18/13 10:14 A

I will never do Black Friday shopping again, it was a mad house and we were actually trampled over a TV not worth it. Crazy Crazy

MYAKAYAH Posts: 10,357
11/18/13 10:02 A

I shop as little as possible between Thanksgiving and New Years. I basically go out to get basics and bathroom essentials and that's about it for me. I don't like the crowds and long checkout lines. The retail stores I worked at were closed on Thanksgiving and Christmas and if they were open I would not have worked on those days. I didn't care about Easter though so I worked that one once or twice it wasn't busy anyhow and it was catch up day~

MATTHEW0498 SparkPoints: (32,853)
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11/18/13 9:30 A

I agree with Anarie’s post. Although I am not and never have been a Black Friday shopper let alone a Thanksgiving Day or evening shopper, I certainly won’t judge those who choose to do so. In addition, why in the world would you expect a store, regardless of whether you think they can afford it or not, to pay their non-salary employees for a day they didn’t work? Expecting them to pay all their part-time employees on a day when they aren’t even bringing in any profit just doesn’t even make sense. Yes, some people may rely on a day’s pay because that is the situation they are in, what is the issue with that? I have been there and I’m sure we’ve all been there at some time or another, living paycheck to paycheck…..why talk down about those in that situation?

If stores want to be open and people actually want to work those hours (whatever their reason is) let them, how does it really affect you. Everyone’s situation is different so let’s just worry about ourselves and our loved ones.

SUNSHINE99999 Posts: 16,283
11/18/13 9:10 A

yes, I choose to celebrate one holiday at a time.

LKS2GAB2 SparkPoints: (37,765)
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11/18/13 8:50 A

I have been doing black Friday since I was 16. Not this year. I am so mad that all of the holidays from Halloween to New Years have been combined into one that I do not have the desire to participate. They have ruined it for me. emoticon

BLUEHERON2C Posts: 2,403
11/18/13 6:23 A

Never been on Black Friday - will never go on Thanksgiving!
It's just "stuff" we can live without.

GABRIELLE42 Posts: 10,587
11/18/13 3:30 A

For those that think stores should be open on a holiday so they can shop for those last minute items they forgot - there are very few things you could not live without. If you know stores are going to be closed you either plan ahead or go without. Also not all retail stores make it voluntary to work on the holiday. If they are expecting it to be super busy you are expected to work if you want to keep your job.

11/18/13 12:26 A

I am!

MARYJ1959 SparkPoints: (11,385)
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11/17/13 8:06 P

I live in Michigan. I can guarantee you the Canadians will come across the border to shop. They had their Thanksgiving in October.

FTSOLK Posts: 1,391
11/17/13 4:16 P

Last year on Thanksgiving, I went to my best friend's house. I had a little "emergency" with my tights, and needed to go to the store to get something. I'm GLAD Kmart was open.

Face it, there ARE some last minute things that people need to get, so it is nice to have stores open- even if they have shorter hours. Yes, people need to be able to spend time with their families, but not everyone is in that position. There are people who DON'T have families. They're going to be spending Thanksgiving sitting at home alone. Maybe some of those people wouldn't mind making a little extra cash. Not everyone is being pulled away from family, and in the case of regular stores being open for Thanksgiving day shopping, I'm not opposed.

I do see the problem with black Friday sales that have become Black Thursday and Friday sales. That's going too far. I do like going to the mall on Black Friday because it's fun to be silly with all the crowds there. I don't do much (or any) shopping, but I'm not against getting something if there's a good deal and I need something.

My family doesn't do any Christmas shopping until right before Christmas. It's our tradition where we go out shopping for $100 stockings. In an ideal world, we'd go out on Christmas Eve, but with my mom working then, we will probably go to the Saturday before. Our tradition usually involves lunch at Old Country Buffet/Hometown Buffet/Golden Corral (depends on where we are going shopping). I usually end up getting most of my shopping done at Target and Walmart, but occasionally, I'll find things at Bed Bath and Beyond, Dollar Tree, or a Grocery Store.

Our goal is to get as close to $100 without going over (excluding Tax). I've gotten $100 exactly (down to the penny) the past 3 or 4 years. Last year, I've started bringing coupons, so I'm going to have a lot of fun combining printable coupons with Target Cartwheel deals.

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11/17/13 1:50 P

I am very glad that some retail stores--grocery stores, for example, are open on Thanksgiving day. I remember a time when they weren't and it could be stressful. My parents once had a epic fight about running out of butter on Thanksgiving day, back in the time where they was no way to go out and buy extra butter because absolutely everything was closed for the holiday. :)

Pushing the season of greed forward one more day though--well, it's silly. I won't participate, but I would never shop on Black Friday either, and probably will not spend money on anything except groceries and craft supplies between now and the end of the year.

KAZZIE531 SparkPoints: (69,668)
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11/17/13 1:49 P

Been in retail for 40 years...Always HATED the holidays...I will NEVER shop on a holiday ever again.....Give your employees time with their families...PLEASE!!!

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11/17/13 1:11 P

I will not be shopping on Thanksgiving. Isn't anything sacred anymore!? emoticon

MLAN613 Posts: 17,549
11/17/13 11:11 A

Personally I won't be shopping on Thanksgiving and I usually don't shop Black Friday for specific deals. I may go to the store on Friday for normal purchases, if needed.

I actually quit working at a local coffee company because they were open legal holidays and didn't pay their employees time and a half. Legally, it's not required in Minnesota. However, I find it unethical and disrespectful. I have not purchased anything from them since I quit. (I didn't realize when I started that they didn't pay time and a half. Otherwise, I never would have started.)

I do have Thanksgiving and Friday off from my full-time job. I will be working my part-time job at my city's community center on Friday. I get time and a half there and it frees up someone who has kids to spend time with their family; my husband and I don't have kids. And my husband is self-employed and will be open on Friday.

Edited by: MLAN613 at: 11/17/2013 (11:13)
LOVE4KITTIES Posts: 4,690
11/17/13 10:24 A

I also will not be shopping on Thanksgiving or the day after. So far as the retail employees desperately needing the money they earn from working on that day--people should be paid a living wage, not a wage that makes it a necessity for them to work on Thanksgiving.

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11/17/13 9:27 A

a bit OTT To me as you have to shop

LOUIE-LILY Posts: 4,425
11/17/13 9:26 A

Pretty soon Christmas sales will begin in summer. I hate that stores are opening for Thanksgiving Day this year! I feel so sorry for the associates - I won't be shopping!

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11/17/13 9:10 A

I think that every day should be about taking care of yourself and the people around you. I will not risk going to a store with massive crowds of people that argue and fight over a sale item. People fighting over a parking space or who had the item in their hands first.

Every day should be about love and caring for others. Money doesn't buy everything.

UUCEEJAY Posts: 1,686
11/17/13 8:56 A

Everyone should have holidays off unless their job is absolutely essential such as nursing homes, hospitals, fire and police. Those who have to work on a holiday should get double pay for it.

KKKAREN Posts: 12,753
11/17/13 8:35 A

I support your boycott of holiday shopping as well as black Friday. Unfortunately not everyone will agree to that. My family does not exchange gifts so it makes not shopping easy.

BLUENOSE63 SparkPoints: (108,021)
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11/17/13 7:36 A

I support your boycott of Black Friday shopping. Retailers should realize that their families need the time off as well. It really isn't all about the stuff -- should be more about family.

EMPRESSAMQ Posts: 5,077
11/17/13 5:03 A

emoticon ... with Anarie's post. Said it all for me.

I do feel that all employers should pay time and a half on legal holidays.

Shoppers are free to shop or not shop and people with jobs are free to work or not work but not everyone feels that way and as Anarie points out, some people working part-time lose an extra day's pay if their workplace isn't open and they need that day's pay.

When in survival mode, every dollar earned puts food on the table and helps pay the bills. A day off or abstracts about it being eaten up in taxes don't help much when there is an immediate need for basic necessities like food and shelter.

Just my opinion and not trying to be argumentative.

Have a great day, all.

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11/17/13 4:38 A

I agree! I just left my retail job and have absolutely no plans to shop on either Thanksgiving or Black Friday, EVER!

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11/17/13 3:17 A


LADYCJM SparkPoints: (57,456)
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11/17/13 2:36 A

Anarie lists another example of corporate greed. Walmart, McDonalds and all of these other companies make enough profit that they could pay holiday pay to their employees...and we won't mention they could pay for health care.

We rely so much on a days pay that we look forward to an extra 4 hours pay that gets eaten up in taxes.

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ANARIE Posts: 13,140
11/16/13 11:24 P

When I was a young adult, I lived far from family-- too far to afford airfare just for a weekend at Thanksgiving-- and most of my friends had family nearby to spend the holiday with. I would have been delighted to work that day, especially if I'd been paid doubletime. There are plenty of people who can't be with their families, and work can be a blessing for them.

Keep in mind also that part-time employees and others without benefits don't get paid for any days that they don't work. Closing the store for a holiday means shorting them a day's pay. When I was working part-time/no benefits at a school, I *hated* Presidents' Day and all those other random Mondays off, because it meant my paycheck would be short that month. It's not a holiday so much as a very temporary layoff. If you're trying to make ends meet and help support a family on that kind of job, getting paid for the day might well mean more to the family than eating turkey on Thursday instead of waiting for Saturday.

In fact, the retailers who are open generally don't have to "force" anyone to work; they get more than enough people volunteering, especially if it's time-and-a-half or double.

I never shop on Thanksgiving or the next day myself, and in fact I don't do much holiday shopping at all because I buy gifts for people when I see them throughout the year. I agree that we're too materialistic (and besides, those holiday door busters usually aren't even a bargain! My cousins once camped out overnight in the sleet and snow for a $349.99 laptop, and my mom went to the same store a week later and got the same laptop for $355.) But I do understand that for a lot of people, getting an extra day's salary for working that day is a huge benefit. That might be what allows them to give gifts, or to afford a special meal for their own family on a different day, or just to pay their rent in January.

Not all families are the same. If you have a traditional family set-up and want to spend the holidays together, do it. Don't shop on Thanksgiving if you don't want to, and discourage your family members from doing it. But an actual boycott is different from just choosing not to do something. A boycott means you're trying to force others not to do it, when they might have a good reason to do so. It can have unintended consequences and end up hurting the people you wanted to help.

JBALDWIN29 Posts: 5,136
11/16/13 11:09 P

I agree with you, I hate that Christmas is advised so early. By the time it gets here I am already sick of all the shows and decorations. I also feel that people should be able to spend thanksgiving with their family not working. I don't go shopping on Thanksgiving, I close to spend it with my loved ones .

ANDILH Posts: 1,543
11/16/13 9:57 P

I don't consider myself a grinch, but I firmly believe that each holiday should be celebrated before we move on the next one. I've worked retail enough years to know that for some stores, Black Friday is when they make their money. However, it's pretty much a scam. Each store will get say 100 of whatever the great deal is, then everyone else buys something more expensive because they don't realize it's a scam. Or maybe they don't care.
However, after many years of crazy logistics, most holidays are pretty much just another day for me. I'm not big on celebrating holidays. I spent too many holidays trying to make sure we got around to seeing everyone and didn't enjoy the holidays one bit because there simply wasn't time. Now, it's a holiday, a day off, I want to enjoy it on my terms. That means no shopping. I don't go shopping on Thanksgiving or Black Friday primarily because I don't want to be around that many other people. There is nothing I need or want badly enough to get me shopping.

KPA1B2 Posts: 780
11/16/13 8:55 P

I so remember the holidays that my hubby used to work. That and the long hours during the holiday season! Phone calls on Christmas morning because someone forgot their keys and we had to stop opening presents so my hubby could go open the store. Holiday dinners served early or late to accommodate his schedule.

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11/16/13 8:36 P

I guess the only person one can "change" is themselves. -- So with that said, I work to avoid anything that adds to the "commercialism" of the "season". That isn't what it is about for me, and I don't want it to be that way for my kids.

I do feel bad for the people who are stuck needing to work and having to be in retail over the holiday time frame. I try to keep in mind that I want to treat them how I would want to be treated standing in their shoes.

Think before you act... and act in a way that represents who you are and what matters to you!

SIMPLYME80 Posts: 406
11/16/13 8:11 P

I NEVER Shop on a Holiday. I used to work Holidays in a store and it sucked! Everyone at home enjoying the (any) Holiday except me! Some friends and family came from out of area so I was lucky to visit a hour or so before they left, often they already left before I even got home!! GREEDY corporations are about the Big Money and Holiday Hype! Of course, the CEO's and Management are At Home Enjoying the Holiday while employees are forced to give their time in the name of Corporate Profit for a little over minimum wage! Boycott! Yes, some jobs require working holidays such as hospital staff, police and fire depts. etc and I am graterful for them as they are truely needed. ALL Stores should be Closed on Holidays so employees enjoy the day.

BRYANBABY3 Posts: 445
11/16/13 7:57 P

I worked at Wal-Mart last year and they are dead during the day on Thanksgiving. But I did have to work blitz so I had to be there at 7pm on the night of Thanksgiving til 7am the next morning and it sucked because I got hardly any sleep

ZZYYGGY3 Posts: 2,261
11/16/13 7:46 P

For the last 30 some odd years I've worked in the hospitality/hotel area, and have gladly worked on Thanksgiving, we got paid time and a half, fed, and I even spent the night before and the night of thanksgiving at the hotel. Hotels, hospitals, and places like that need to be open on Thanksgiving, not retail stores. This year I'm on the schedule for Thanksgiving, but already plan to not be there because they schedule me over my availabiltiy. I hope noone goes shopping on Thanksgiving, that's not what the holiday is for. It's for spending time with family, and loved ones, and being thankful for what you have.

Enough of my ranting, enjoy your Thanksgiving.

KPA1B2 Posts: 780
11/16/13 7:35 P

I went shopping on Thanksgiving once several years ago, at our local Kmart. They had some games for my classroom really cheap. Nobody was in the store. I don't know if anyone really knew that they were open.

I am not going shopping on Thanksgiving.

I've gone shopping on Black Friday before. I did it a couple of times when my kids were little, maybe 15-16 years ago. Hubby stayed home with the kids. The last couple of years I've gone later in the day. Kohl's has had some sales on bath towels & wash clothes and I've gone to get those. Of course, my favorite football team usually plays on the day after Thanksgiving, so we work around that.

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11/16/13 6:51 P

I've shopped on that Friday after Thanksgiving, way back in the 1960's, when it didn't even have a name, and there were no crowds at all, just decorated dept. stores and some singers here and there, back then, it was FUN, and you enjoyed it! I haven't shopped on that Friday since it became a "thing", and I won't shop on Thanksgiving, though I admit to having someone stop for a missing grocery item at some point here and there, but that was when the store was open in the morning. Can't change the world, though, just by posting about it.

LADYCJM SparkPoints: (57,456)
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11/16/13 4:52 P

So glad to hear I'm not alone! And that I'm not the only one to make turkey broth from the carcass!

Archamedies, you are braver than I. I just do not want to deal woth the crowds and insanity on Friday.

Like "Mrs. Scrooge" I like to buy useful gifts for people and I shop all year long. If I see a sweater that I know my daughter will like, I buy it and give it to her at Christmas. Same with everyone else.This way I don't blow a lot of money shopping because I "have" to get something for someone.

Being a nurse married to a military man, I have had to work many holidays or adjust our holiday to his deployments.. We have always made it work but it wasn't always easy.

I like the idea of giving seeds to my gardening friends. We live in a "difficult" growing climate with a short season. I have been shopping for seeds that will do well with a short growing time or that can tolerate our extremes of temperature.

ARCHIMEDESII SparkPoints: (190,535)
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11/16/13 4:02 P

Speaking as someone who worked retail for many years, retail stores should be closed on Thanksgiving to allow their employees a chance to enjoy the holiday with their families.

I went to TJ Maxx this morning to do some clothing shopping, yup, they were playing Christmas music. yikes !

I'm a firm believer that the kick off for Christmas shouldn't start until after the turkey carcass has been turned into soup. Yes, I am one of the lunatics who will shop on Black Friday, but only after my turkey dinner has properly digested and that's not until Friday morning. lol.

Nope, I will not be shopping on Thanksgiving day.

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11/16/13 3:55 P

I agree I only shop if i need something
I give my kids and GC money for birthdays and Christmas friends, i buy grocery vouchers so the can fill their cupboards and freezers my kids get a new set of bath sheets every year but i dont gift wrap them as they know they are getting them
My kids do not buy me gifts for birthdays or christmas as i told them not to as i dont celebrate the commercialism of these dates They buy me seeds for the garden or donte to the homeless charity i am involved with
I tell Ians parents off every christmas as they make such a big dinner for christmas whereas i would rather just have the usual sunday roast but cannot change their minds over this
Ian and i dont buy each other presents at christmas or birthdays but if we see anything in a charity shop we like i will buy it.
99% of non food shopping in our house is from charity shops even furniture comes from charity warehouses where the money goes to help others not these big corprates that are all out for profit.
I cannot bear to go into a supermarket and watch people fill trolleys full of overpriced junk or shop as though the shops are closing for a week instead of 2 days at the most.
When i used to go to work with Ian on the coach listening to people who have spent x number of pound on crap and are still paying their cards off the next christmas
So I too am a grinch though the kids call me Mrs scrooge jokinly
Glad i am not alone emoticon

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11/16/13 1:23 P

I fully admit to being a Grinch. I hate it that Christmas starts before Halloween. I hate seeing Christmas sales before Thanksgiving. And I really hate the idea of stores being open on Thanksgiving!

There are very few occasions in our lives that revolve around family that do not include spending huge amounts of money or consuming large amounts of alcohol. Yes, we consume mass amounts of food and not all of it good for us, but the day is supposed to be about family.

In my perfect world every non-essential business would be closed. And grocery stores would rotate having one store open in each neighborhood for those last minute:"I forgots". But even grocery stores would close at noon.

Yes, you can get a good deal on something. But, is it worth it? I know families that are not having family over either because they want to go shopping or their family does.

How much junk do we need? I'm trying to get rid of stuff! Black Friday is bad enough. We don't need Black Thursday. Its all about stores trying to make a profit and individuals trying to get a deal.

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