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MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 16,946
4/9/13 10:22 A

Anarie thank you for your explanation.

I also heard it explained this way. With those little planes the costs add up and the heavier the plane the more the fuel costs. Needing extra fuel for a heavier plane can go into the thousands of dollars.

Besides I don't know how many of us will be flying Samoa Air anytime soon.

As for using the weight on your drivers license, how many people put their true weight on their drivers license? Last time I got it renewed I was 155 and the person at the MVA didn't even ask and put 135 on there

Edited by: MANDIETERRIER1 at: 4/9/2013 (10:24)
RONIGH Posts: 631
4/9/13 10:10 A

I don't think it's such a bad idea, especially if the airplane flown is small, and the number of passengers the pane can carry is very limited. As an obese middle-aged man, I don't feel offended. I feel we should try to understand the motives, before passing out judgement.

CATHY629 Posts: 4,720
4/9/13 8:33 A

I have heard this idea before,they were going to use your BMI rather than how many lbs you weigh.
For people who travel a lot it could be an incentive to lose weight,imagine how embarrassing it would be to have to be weighed at the check in.
I was once on a plane where a woman was so large she could not put the arm rest down,very embarrassing for her and very uncomfortable for the person sitting next to her.
Mind you you get charged extra if your bags are overweight so why not your body.

Edited by: CATHY629 at: 4/9/2013 (10:18)
SUITABLE Posts: 5,411
4/8/13 11:53 P

Bad for me.

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4/8/13 11:39 P

Airlines don't exist to get you from one place to another, they exist to make money. If flying heavy passengers for the same price as less heavy ones isn't actually costing them more money in fuel, reduced number of passengers they can fly etc, then charging by the pound would be a pretty boneheaded move, because it would probably cost them more money in ill will than they would gain in ticket sales.

Most airlines aren't making a whole lot of money and many have been through multiple bankruptcies. I think rather than going the route of making the seats smaller and smaller to try and jam more people on fewer planes, restricting/charging for luggage etc, more of them should think a bit more creatively and perhaps offer larger seats for a premium price that is more than a regular seat but less than buying two seats (i.e. the route some airlines have taken to address complaints of overweight flyers spilling into their seats).

I'm willing to bet there are overweight folks who avoid flying because they can't fit in the seats or fear embarassment would be willing to pay extra.

It sucks to end up paying more or being uncomfortable or whatever because you are overweight, but I don't feel like airlines are trying to fleece people or be big ole meanies by addressing the issue. Personally, I'd be more comfortable in a situation where I knew everyone was goning to be weighed and the price per pound was presented up front than feeling like I might be pulled out of line and forced to purchase an extra seat, etc.

I also think it would be nice if airlines would do more to make it easier for people to judge how well they would fit into a seat before they purchase it.

Ultimately, as with any other product, if you don't like the price structure, you can vote with your wallet and choose another airline or method of travel.

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4/4/13 11:26 P

Anarie, thank you for your explanation. It makes total sense now. When I heard the news I didn't know they were talking about another country and my sensitivity to weight had me react negatively to what I heard.

ANARIE Posts: 13,144
4/4/13 10:29 P

This "airline" is Samoa Air, which owns a grand total of three airplanes. Two of them can carry nine passengers max and the other can carry 4. The two "big" ones can fly with about a ton of weight, *including* fuel and the pilot(s). Samoans tend to be very large people. If the passengers all weigh 200lbs or more, the plane can't take a full flight. They could only carry about 5 or 6 passengers if they were that big and carried luggage. If the passengers weigh 150 lbs each and don't have much baggage, then they can sell the whole 9 tickets. Under those circumstances, it's totally fair to charge by weight so the airline gets the same amount for every flight instead of having to take a 33 to 50% cut if they happen to get a flight full of big people.

I've flown on planes where they weigh passengers because there's a tight limit on how much weight the plane can carry. I was extremely sensitive about my weight at that time, but the airline people were very professional. They wrote it down without saying it out loud, and they didn't react in any way. Of course, it was in a country where people aren't so hung up on weight, but still, it was no big deal at all. I'd rather be a little embarrassed than have the plane crash.

It would be different if it were an airline that flies 747s, but here we're talking about tiny planes, where a couple of heavy passengers could mean the airline loses half its income for the week and has to leave other people behind. It's fair to charge more for people who really cost much, much more to carry.

MKMMARTY Posts: 6,218
4/4/13 8:55 P

customers must band together and refuse to travel boycott until they learn to listen to the customer

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4/4/13 8:26 P

This is not right!

PEABODY69 Posts: 317
4/4/13 7:17 P

sucks!!! we need to get Olivia Pope on this

ZENANDNOW SparkPoints: (68,476)
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4/4/13 7:16 P

Absolutely appalling...I agree! emoticon

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4/4/13 2:31 P

Interesting. Could be a motivator for folks to get that "weight" off ! emoticon

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4/4/13 11:21 A

I am done with air travel. A few years ago I decided that I had had enough of airports, tight seats, etc. I am glad I had the chance to fly many places during a time when air travel was fun, and a nice part of any trip. My last flight was to and from Amsterdam, in 2001. After 9/11 that year, all the security started and my flying days were over. I still go places, but not by plane.

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4/4/13 11:00 A

I'm in trouble! Nothing like shaming people more for their weight......

4/4/13 10:57 A

I don't see it being very fair for some people to be penalized because they aren't "naturally" a petite person. I have a relative who is probably close to 7 feet tall, and at his healthiest would probably weigh in at 250+. Why should he have to pay more than, say, a guy the size of Tom Cruise? Uggghhhhh! I hate the stupid ideas that some people/companies come up with -- and I agree, it's all in the intrest of money, money, money! GREED!

With a very small plane, however, I could see the need to know how much weight is on the plane, however, they should stop taking passengers when the weight limit is reached, albeit that they may miss out on one or two fares....charge for heavy baggage, yes, but not by various pounds of individuals flying on the plane. That's just plain prejudiced!

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4/4/13 10:52 A

If you want to get from point a to point b in a hurry, flying is the only choice. Train is a wonderful, BUT VERY EXPENISIVE way to go. For two people traveling over a 3 day span, flying is significantly cheaper, considering meals, motels, gas, etc..

Fuel costs for aircraft is a major cause of this kind of behavior on part of the airlines. They are entitled to make a reasonable profit. After all, they will be buying more planes if successful.

I_HEART_MY_FAM Posts: 1,809
4/4/13 10:45 A

I am glad I am not big on traveling. I never have been on a plane and it seems like I will never be. Not appealing to me with pat downs, weigh ins, all the charges involved and the risk of being on a plane with a terrorists. I prefer a car where I can stop to use potty on my time, eat wherever and whatever I want, take deodorant and other toiletries without having limits on how much because you could be packing a bomb. I won't see the world, but really have no desire to. I am pretty simple. I have been out of my home state once and that was the joining state to California. I know I must be missing a lot, but to me, it is not important.

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4/4/13 9:36 A

The only positive would be for those traveling with small children.

GERARLAUR Posts: 341
4/4/13 9:35 A

Ridiculous and so insulting. Anything to make the almighty dollar. emoticon

GERARLAUR Posts: 341
4/4/13 9:34 A

Ridiculous and so insulting. Anything to make the almighty dollar. emoticon

MARTYJOE Posts: 428
4/4/13 8:33 A

absolutely appalling.

DELRIO1 Posts: 6,203
4/4/13 7:34 A

I was just on a flight with a guy who was so obese that I had to lean to the side just to keep him off of me. I was NOT happy

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4/4/13 7:18 A

Wow that is incredible but yes it is a money grab for the airlines......

LUV2SURFCHIC Posts: 2,507
4/3/13 8:14 P

Another way for the airlines to make money.

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4/3/13 8:03 P

On the news they reported it's not going to be entirely based on your individual weight, but the total weight for you and anything else you bring on board including your luggage.

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4/3/13 7:13 P

not a good idea

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4/3/13 6:50 P

This sounds crazy to me.

SHERYLDS Posts: 17,154
4/3/13 6:50 P

license....???? you put your real weight on your license.

sorry .... my bad

Edited by: SHERYLDS at: 4/3/2013 (18:50)
BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
4/3/13 6:11 P

And apparently all passengers *already* had to be weighed anyways, as well as their baggage - it's a safety thing, for these little planes, to have accurate knowledge of the weight being put on board.

I am undecided whether I approve of this pricing structure or not. But it seems to be working without too much push-back in the market where it is operating... so... who am i to say.

BUNNYKICKS Posts: 2,433
4/3/13 6:08 P

No, they'll charge her by her weight including unborn child.

Here's an article about it - this is a very small airline (just a handful of 9-seater planes) operating in Samoa. So unless you're planning a trip to the island of Samoa, we probably don't have to worry just yet. I don't think this would "fly" in the USA or Canada, tbh...

MANDIETERRIER1 Posts: 16,946
4/3/13 6:05 P

It is for an airline that uses little puddle jumper Piper Cub type airplanes. And they say that the heavier the plane the more fuel it uses and the more it costs to fly the plane. They are not a huge commercial airline.

True they could just look at your drivers licence, but I know a woman her license says she is 165 lbs and she is not.

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4/3/13 5:53 P

OMG!! that's crazy. what if a woman is pregnant are they going to charge for 2 tickets??

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4/3/13 5:49 P

Took a walk this morning while listening to the radio. Heard there is an airline now charging you by what a person weighs. I couldn't believe it and wrote a blog about it. I thought that they would just look at your license. (My license has my vision weight on it, lol.) One Sparker commented on my blog that she heard about it and they are actually weighing you before you get on the plane. First luggage is weighed and now us.

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