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RIET69 SparkPoints: (47,087)
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12/19/12 11:45 A

I was going to decline the invite, but I think I won't comment any further.

SUEACCT SparkPoints: (0)
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12/19/12 11:31 A

I think this thread qualifies as the most heated dicussion I have seen in SP!

QUEST4ENERGY SparkPoints: (686)
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12/19/12 11:25 A

Thank you raptor melon for your concern. But please don't be concerned for me. I am not new at this and have taken several courses on nutrition andbhealthy living. I understand the bad consequences when done wrong and the good when done right. :) thanks and good luck on your quest for healthy living and God Bless you!

QUEST4ENERGY SparkPoints: (686)
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12/19/12 11:21 A

Thank you myutmost4him! Awesome User name by the way!!!! I guess there's not many people who believe like I do about cleanses. I was planning on doing one when I found out I was pregnant so of course iv had to wait. I finaly weaned my daughter, now 16 months and have my body back to myself for the first time in 2 1/2 years. My energy is always down. It goes up with excercise but its not the same as when I detox. I just want that energy and I know after I cleanse and maintain my running and healthy eating ill get some energy back :) that is my main reason. Loosing a few pounds is a bonus especially sisnce I only have 5 more to loose.

MYUTMOST4HIM Posts: 11,453
12/19/12 10:59 A

I don't have a problem with cleanses. I do them also. Just make sure you are doing them for the right reason!!

GLITTERFAIRY77 Posts: 8,023
12/19/12 10:58 A

I guess you didn't, but please understand, I spoke from a place of concern. Nothing more or less.
In which case, so long as you will be doing it healthily-all the best to you, Heidi. :)

QUEST4ENERGY SparkPoints: (686)
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12/19/12 10:53 A

I understand your concern but I never said I wasn't going to be eating. Did I???? If you read my origional post I stated I was softening up the cleanse by adding several things including fruits and I meant to say veggies to. The cayenne cleanse actually ends up being about 1200 calories each day. And exactly! Daniel radshach meshach and abendnego ate raw fruits and veggies and grains. All these foods wenas Americans eat regularly are full of toxins! Chips fast food, sodas, energy drinks, even fruit juices. For those of us who try to stay away from those things we still have the dirty air the chemicals wenare around laundry detergents shampoos ect that slowly toxify our systems. That is why I feel the need to detox my body. I am happy with myself. I feel sexy and cute . So this is not a low self esteem issue. In that department I'm good :D agreed about the spiritual purposes of fasting in the Bible.nhowever my point was iff it was sooooo damaging Jesus wouldn't have condoned it in my view because he taught us to care for our bodies because they are the temple.....

GLITTERFAIRY77 Posts: 8,023
12/19/12 10:40 A

The fasts in the bible days are for purely spiritual reasons-not to "detox." Eating raw and eating clean are good ways to cleanse! There's nothing wrong with that. Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego did raw vegetables for an extended period of time, and Nebuchadnezzer noticed that they were healthier and stronger than his men who ate lots of meats and other decadent foods. Thing is, though-they ATE. "Just saying..." Our bodies need fuel to survive. Food is fuel. God says to eat to live instead of living to eat, which is how many of us become unhealthy. Intense cleanses like the one you are describing are NOT good for the body! You're 23. Not saying you're too young to know better. Not at all. However, you are too young to know what the long-term effects of such an endevour could do to you. I'm just saying that if you're going to cleanse, do so healthily by eating raw and eating clean. Get at least 1200 calories a day. Decreasing it too much really is NOT good for you.

QUEST4ENERGY SparkPoints: (686)
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12/19/12 10:32 A

Wow! I didn't expect so many negative replies! Well first of all I have done a 10 day cleanse several times and I ate raw vegan for over a year. I didn't get sick at all durning that time, not once!!!! My whole family who criticized me for it would all come down with a cold or the flue but it never touched me. So I know it works! Plus the best cleanse is to just be raw but I cant right now because its kinda expensive. So my alternative to get some toxins out is by doing a gentle 5 day cleanse with some fruits veggies and the cayenne plus a super tonic with garlic and a bunch of other stuff.
Again! I have done much longer and harder cleanses and it worked! My main goal is not loosing weight though it is a bonus. If you noticed my User name, quest for energy. That's my real goal in this. When iv cleansed in the past I get a burst of energy which lasts until I start eating bad foods again. So everyone who said it wont work or that I'm damaging my body relax! I'm not becoming anorexic or puking every time I eat. I learned about eating raw and cleansing from a woman who was sent home to die from cancer by the doctors and ended up shrinking her grapefruit size tumor to the size of a pea by the end of the eight weeks they had said that sh had to live. And how did she do that???? DETOX! :) and shes srill alive and very healthy today 15 years later because she has continued cleansing periodicaly and eating mostly raw. SO all imsaying is it is important in our toxic world to get those toxins out every once in awhile.I'm not teaching my daughter bad habits or hurting myself. And one more thought, Jesus fatsed for 40 days and so did Moses. Just saying....

KISSFAN1 Posts: 6,257
12/19/12 9:31 A

Nope, no cleanse for me. I just eat normally (within range) every day of the year for the most part.

VCZK2TJ17 Posts: 1,266
12/19/12 9:21 A

interesting idea, but i have enough trouble sticking with my SP meal plan as is.

12/19/12 9:19 A

Nothing toxic about me to require a detox.

DMJAKES Posts: 1,634
12/19/12 8:42 A

Quest - you're probably already sensing that the notion of "cleansing" is not going to get much support here at spark. If you do a search of the boards, you'll come up with countless threads that debunk the notion that our bodies need such a cleanse, so I won't go into that here.

From one oldie parent to a new one, I would gently suggest that you need to be super careful about what behaviors you exhibit in front of your children. What they see you do will stick with them forever. If you've been nursing, I would bet that your diet is probably good, so how about tracking your food and seeing where you can improve? Then, focus on a good strength training program with some cardio thrown in, and you should see the improvements you're looking for---if you're patient and trust the process. As a bonus, your daughter will see you developing healthy behaviors that will work for a lifetime.

BIGDOG1969 SparkPoints: (0)
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12/19/12 8:39 A

Haven't, won't, would never detox.

DIDS70 Posts: 5,368
12/19/12 8:38 A

As far as a detox "diet plan" goes, i am not interested. I already eat 75% vegan raw and very clean.

ERICREH Posts: 4,051
12/19/12 8:31 A

No detox for me. Even if I thought they were any good, I'd probably just binge afterwards.

LUANN_IN_PA Posts: 24,117
12/19/12 8:27 A

Sorry, Heidi, but detoxes are a waste of time and money.
They are totally unnecessary.

YELLOWDAHLIA SparkPoints: (94,861)
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12/19/12 8:22 A

No detox for me. Completely unnecessary.

GLITTERFAIRY77 Posts: 8,023
12/19/12 7:50 A

Not to shoot you down, Sweetheart, and we can certainly appreciate your enthusiasm-but any reputable Nutritionist and Doctor will tell you that these trendy "detox" things are really a bunch of crap. Your very best bet is to just continue to track everything that you eat and drink, keep exercising, etc. Stay within your calorie ranges.
All "detox" is, is severely depriving your body of calories-which has proven to be ineffective in permanent weight loss. Oh, you'll lose the weight. No doubt about it...but when you start eating during Christmas, those five pounds will come back *snaps* like that, and then some. When you "detox"-you're starving yourself, which can make your body cling to every single calorie you ingest after the fact.
Please read some spark articles, talk to your doctor, speak to a nutritionist-before you do anything rash like a "detox."
Mind you-I KNOW that I'm huge. I'm once again working on becoming less huge. I was successful before-through binging and purging, taking above and beyond what I should have of prescription diuretics that were not prescribed to me, taking 8x's the recommended amount of OTC laxitives...and no one suspected, because I was clinically obese while I was doing that stuff. All they saw was that I was losing weight, and I was getting all kinds of kudos for it.
Since then, I had gained almost all the weight back, but also taken two college-level Nutrition courses as my elective sciences and gotten A's-so I know a little something about something.
Slow and steady, Honey. If you want to be thin-fantastic-but just be thin in the most healthy way possible.

Edited by: GLITTERFAIRY77 at: 12/19/2012 (07:53)
RIVETPA Posts: 1,177
12/19/12 7:32 A

No thanks - I'm building up my tolerance to Christmas baking by eating some almost daily.
It's a stuggle, but I'm really pushing myself....

JENNILACEY SparkPoints: (81,498)
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12/19/12 6:42 A

Nope, me neither. I'm losing weight steadily by eating healthy and balanced, tracking and exercising. I plan on having some treats during the holidays but not going crazy either. Still going to stick to my goals for the most part but with a couple glasses of wine and some chocolate.

Don't you think you'll just gain the weight back after you return to eating normally?

TENNISJIM Posts: 11,750
12/19/12 6:28 A

No, I plan to eat like I normally do

CROWLEY123 SparkPoints: (0)
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12/19/12 6:20 A

I think I'll pass as well. I eat a healthy, well balanced diet, get plenty of exercise and sleep well every night....nothing toxic there!

TCANNO SparkPoints: (307,633)
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12/19/12 6:13 A

No ta, I am too near my goal weight to start "playing " around with something that is working.

12/19/12 4:38 A

Thanks but no thanks. I've been eating healthily and exercising since September, have lost a few kilos and feeling good. Am about to relax a little for the holidays, will get back on track in the New Year. But good luck to you!

QUEST4ENERGY SparkPoints: (686)
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12/19/12 2:32 A

Ok so here's my deal, my name is Heidi. I just turned 23 and I am happily married for 2 years and have a 1 year old girl. I am down to my pre pregnancy weight but I want to detox and loose 5 more lbs. I was a raw vegan for a year once and have done the master cleanse.(10 days of cayenne lemon and maple) so im not a cleanse newbie but that was a few years ago and since I haven't been able to do a cleanse cuz of my pregnancy then nursing. So now having just weaned my baby I'm READY TO GO!!! So I'm planning to start a cleanse tomorrow (family coming over for dinner tonight or id start today) I plan on the cayenne again but will add fiber, teas and some fruits and veggies to make it easier and ill only do 5 days (will be don e by Christmas) If any of you want to do a similar cleanse or any special diet plan over the next few day, , post what your plan of action is then lets stay accountable to each other till we r done. SO PUMPED FOR THIS!

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