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Obviously, this calls for research! Yaaay! I like martial arts (no surprises there) but one of the reasons for my liking it is it includes so many fitness skills concisely in its exercises. As any boxer or kicker will tell you, a proper punch or kick will have the entire body behind it, and will exercise strength, co-ordination, flexibility, balance, speed, cardio, and stamina. As it is with any and all techniques in any martial art.
I was challenged in my belief that martial fitness is caloric and cardio and wanted some numbers to back me up besides the "calories burned" in exercises. I appreciate to numbers you gave me, Golfpro. Thank you.
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In a specific kick? Nope. But my Master Instructor has allowed me to where my HRM during TKD class before. On a good night I'll burn 900-1,000. The class is 90 minutes but includes stretching and cool down.
I obviously can't where it during sparring, but forms burn just as many calories as a normal kicking class as well.
matt
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I'm late to the board, but I was resistance training and in TKD all afternoon and early evening.
The question came up about kicking and calories burnt. So I'll throw it out and risk a thread hijack. Anybody know the calories burnt in a kick, (or punch)?
Any HRM users?
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| Taking AIKIDO it is an outstanding style
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I'm not a guy either, but oh well...
Anyone here studying Chun Kuk Do? My son and I started about a year ago and we both love it. It's the first time I have been involved in the martial arts.
Crystal
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MESTREALEGRIA
4/2/07 12:45 A
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Sorry, I'm not a guy but men, women and children can play Capoeira. It is the Brazilian martial art. You could play in the hoda with one of your sons or they could play each other.It is a great activity.
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| I know I am biased, but Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is the way to go for an all-around workout. There is a guy in my class that went from 230 and is currently doing MMA at 155. He walks around at 170 lbs. That's 70 lbs and not lift weights and his only cardio is BJJ and boxing.
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SINCEREX13
9/13/06 2:49 P
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| I've been thinking about starting in the martial arts for awhile... have done some research over the last week and am going to head over to BostonBJJ (only 5 miles down the road!) today an check them out. Neat coincidence to find this thread as I decide to start out in my MMA journey.
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| RHYTHMIC01, I would definately check out Dean Lister's school. He is definately one of the best submission grapplers in the U.S. I have been training Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for about a year now and really enjoy it.
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RHYTHMIC01
9/5/06 12:30 P
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I really want to try juijutsu.
Dean lister has a place here in san diego. I outta stop saying I want to try it and go try it ;)
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| When I was 12 I did Tae Kwon Do for a few months, got up to orange belt and then just kind of lost interest. I have also tried my hand at Kung Fu San Soo, but again dropped it quickly. I have always had mad respect for all styles of martial arts, however they all just kind of struck me as routine-based and impractical in real life scenarios. That all changed when I discovered Muay Thai, I became extremely interested and as soon as I worked a couple of nights open in my schedule I signed up and quickly fell in love during the first training session. I have only been training for a few weeks now, however most of my peers at the academy had their first fight after only 2 months. I now hope to change my diet and lifestyle in order to step up my training and hopefully become skilled enough and in good enough shape to compete.
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SMACKATTACK
8/15/06 5:08 P
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Pretty new to this spark thing, but it seems to be putting me back on track. I spent about 4 years training in Parker Style Kenpo Karate (blend of various styles). On the week I was supposed to be awarded my brown belt I was in a car accident that took me out of training with a severe shoulder injury. Unfortunately during my recovery my instructor moved out of state to be closer to his kids.
While the guy who took over the school in his absence is certainly qualified, it's just not the same. And while kenpo is an absolutely awesome striking art, I really want to go somewhere completely different in the spectrum. I thought about capoeira, but that just doesn't suit my body type. After a lot of though and visiting schools around town, I've decided that once I get myself back into a little better shape (cardio and strength wise) I'll start training in judo.
BTW my favorite cardio work is a ton of heavy bag work and double-ended bag work (at least 30 min of each every day).
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Is it okay if a beginner boxing grrl pokes her head in here from time to time? :-)
There don't seem to be many (any?) boxers in these forums, so this seemed like the closest thread to what I was looking for.
I've been going to a boxing gym for about six weeks, and I'm completely addicted. The conditioning aspect of the workouts is incredible, and hey, learning how to look after yourself...nothin' wrong with that!
...Shelley
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MWBOGGS9502
5/19/06 1:50 A
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| Thanks Matt, I appreciate the advice.
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Michael....if you're interested in Martial Arts the best thing is to visit schoold in your local area. Watch the classes and talk to the instructors to get an idea of what the school is like. You'll quickly learn what type you're interested in.
matt
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MWBOGGS9502
5/18/06 11:29 A
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| I have always wanted to try some type of martial arts growing up but never have went through with it. I have two boys and it might be something to get involved with them. If you have any suggestions for beginners I am open ears. Michael
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| I have a black belt in Kung Fu San Soo...then i went off to college and gained a bunch of weight. Then started Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai. Been Training Muay Thai for about 8 months and thinking of competing once I get into good enough shape.
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LOSINGIT61
3/30/06 10:42 P
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| When I lived in Northern Ky, I took Shaolin Kempo. It is a combination of Karate, Kung fu, and Ju Jitsu. That was many moons ago. One day I would like to pick it back up. Or another style.
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THINCPL2004
3/30/06 3:14 P
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| I wish I was, but I do love to watch.
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Never did full contact. I'm 51 and, at the risk of sounding chicken, I had visions of getting my clocked cleaned by a hard-punching 24-year-old.
But I love TKD, particularly point sparring. Tendonitis in my shoulder has taken me out of classes, but I still stretch every morning and one of my cardio workouts is to go thru the forms.
- Bob
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| sorry but i'm not a guy but i have been training in tkd for 8 years+ we do point sparring, i really enjoy it. i have tried full contact but i don't really want to do that at 40. and yes we do mix it up a bit we do some different type of training as well as tkd but we practice peace over power
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HEALTHYATC
3/11/06 7:46 P
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Mike,
Now there is an honest answer...I like it! Great perspective.
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| Wooohooo....Mike's back!!! I knew you'd enjoy a "real" Guy's Lounge. Any tournaments coming up?
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... and the Navy is WAY better.
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Man... step away from SparkPeople for a few months, and they make the Guy's Lounge its own forum section, and we even get a martial arts thread. Rock on!
I've been practicing kung fu since spring '04. I've been having a total blast with the practice and it's the first physical activity that I've loved so much that I feel I'll be doing this for the rest of my life. And I know I'll never run out of new material to learn.
It's always interesting when you see these discussions about the "best" martial art. The best for what? What is best?
Conan: "To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
Well now, that doesn't really apply to much these days, does it?
It does seem to be a question that comes up more frequently with the increased popularity of UFC/MMA fighting. And it's a valid enough question that those competitors get to determine when they're in the ring.
But for most of us regular shmucks, our answer is usually gonna be completely different. I'm sure there are plenty of amp'd up testosterone-heads who are looking for the baddest butt-whooping-Fu out there. But once you learn it, then what? Most of us just don't have too many practical opportunities to kill someone with our bare hands.
"Ya know, I trained in butt-whooping-Fu. I could kill you with a single strike!"
"Ummm... That's great Larry. Now could you please go make five more copies of Tim's PowerPoint presentation before the meeting? Thanks."
For me, what's best is that I've found a martial art that has enough variety that I'm always enjoying learning something new, and I'm on a consistent path of self improvement on a bunch of levels. I get to win the occasional sparring or forms competitions from time to time (though losing is more educational). I get to play with spinning roundhouse kicks, flips, rolls, broadswords, bo staff forms, iron training, chi kung breathing meditation, tai chi, all kinds of fun stuff. Heck, in our recent festival/tournament, there were quite a few seminars where it was pointed out how much ground fighting was actually already included in so many of the basic kung fu forms we learned as beginners. We even spent a whole day learning a new form that was 90% all on the ground. Rockin!
Bringing it back to Spark thinking... the best exercise is the one that you enjoy so much you want to keep doing it. That's another big part of my kung fu enjoyment. It's cool to see we've got a bunch of other enthusiasts here.
See y'all around.
- Mike
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YOOPERMAN
2/25/06 12:52 P
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Absolutiely right ~wanabe.
We get to watch the instructor also teach the kids classes, and he's got a greattechnique with them, as well as with the adults. He pushes, but also recognizes that people have different limits.
I'm really enjoying this, so I plan on staying.
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lmao....that's hilarious!!!! He's one of the best fighters around but you don't spar in his studio? hahahaha....thanks for the laugh!!!
You really nailed it about trusting the instructor. Most people will have a gut feeling just by talking with different instructors. My wife and knew our instructor was perfect from the beginning. We had already talked to two others that just didn't feel right.
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KUNGFUWANABE
2/24/06 5:13 P
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See, now that's a beautiful thing. Yooperman, you definitely found a good place and a good instructor. Anybody who acknowledges their own weaknesses, or the weakness in their technique and eliminates them by changing things or incorporating other things to balance it out gets all the respect in the world from me.
I've trained in and checked out a lot of different places, and I've definitely encountered those kinda guys who are all like "my martial art is the best. It has no weaknesses. None of the others can compare..." blah blah blah. And they can keep talking like that, and keep teaching like that because they will never be put in a situation where it actually gets tested against other martial artists and other styles. I guess it's just a lot easier to claim you or your style is the best and never have to prove it rather than acknowledging your weaknesses and having to go through the steps of figuring out how to overcome them and then actually having the determination to succeed.
The best example of that for me was when I went to check out this Praying Mantis Kung-Fu school. The teacher was claiming all this stuff about winning tournaments, and how he's the first non-asian guy to instruct, and how the story about how it got started claimed that the style was so good that this guy who created it was able to defeat Shaolin monks who he couldn't beat before he created praying mantis and all that crap. So I asked him if we get to spar with a decent amount of contact, he said no. I asked if we get to spar much at all, he said no. I asked if he planned on entering his students in competitions, he said no. Then he told me to come back another day and watch a class. So I did. The class was one overweight guy and a 10 year old kid. The overweight guy gave up halfway through the class and decided to go buy Chinese food and the instructor actually told him to get him some too. The kid rolled his eyes after every command and never came back. Then after class he realized I wasn't impressed and tried to lure me in by offering personalized lessons involving exotic weapons training. I said no thanks and I never went back. Not to mention the price was nearly twice as much as some of the BJJ, Boxing, Kickboxing, Judo, TKD, and Karate schools around here.
But anyway, as long as you trust your instructor, you know he's not one of those psychos, you know he has a good understanding of fighting in general, and doesn't claim anything he can't prove, then you're in good hands.
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Most TKD doesn't focus on punching anymore because in Olympic Style Sparring you won't score with a punch. If you Point Spar then punching can be more helpful, but kicks will score more points every time.
matt
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YOOPERMAN
2/24/06 12:14 P
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TKD for almost a year now. Timing only allows one formal class each week, but yesterdays was a killer!
Planning in staying for the long run though and black belt is definitely on the target horizon.
Both kids(10 and 5) are also in it, but mom prefers to just watch.
As to the previous discussion, our instructor admitted a TKD weakness in class yesterday, the typical focus on kicks. He's been incorporating more punching techniques, and freely draws on other styles to incorporate what works
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I think we were just taken by surprise that in a room with several TKD people you would post that. It's kind of like walking into an Army base and saying "yeah, you guys are OK, but the Navy is way better."
Thanks for your second post. It sounds like we all share the same feelings about martial arts. It's great to have another enthusiast around here!!!
matt
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KUNGFUWANABE
2/24/06 12:54 A
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| Hey, didn't mean to offend anybody. I did compare it to most other traditional martial arts, meaning karate and kung-fu for example. Those have the same weaknesses as TKD, no training on the ground. I'm sure a lot of fighters have won that have had TKD training. My Kung-Fu instructor had trained in TKD, and if anybody knows the rising martial arts movie star Tony Jaa, he is like my most favorite martial artists to watch in movies and he trained in TKD too. I guess I was just saying it's good to have a useful variety of kicks that TKD training can offer, but alone, like any other martial art, it can't match up to the kind of training that mixed martial artists go through. Sure you can win fight with a single style, but you can't count on that to make you a champion. And about the walking away from a fight thing, I'm all for it. I hate confrontations, I don't like hitting people, I've actually never been in a fight with anyone, and I would much rather prefer talking out my problems with people. However, in a ring or on the mat, that's a different story. hehe
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I bet you'll love it. You may want to start checking out local studios right now. You'll probably even find an instructor who will encourage you to start now. The sooner you feel up to starting, the better. It will help you burn calories, get in shape, and start enjoying a new "hobby".
Either way, check out several different studios and watch a class or two at each one. You want to make sure you're comfortable with the instructor's teaching style. Good Luck!
matt
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ROBERTLRANKIN
2/23/06 11:08 P
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| One of my goals when I lose weight is to start some sort of martial arts training. I am really interested in Jiujitsu. I'm just too big to start right now.
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I agree 100%!!! My Master's husband (her master) actually just got his 6th dan this last year. If you feel like reading the paper he wrote for it check out this link:
Energy Medicine & the Martial Artist
Really quite an interesting paper, just long.
matt
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HEALTHYATC
2/23/06 7:26 P
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Matt~
I have been teaching the same approach with all my students for 16 years. We strongly disagree with provoking a fight, just to show you know how to fight. But this is the same reason I encourage people to know how to defend themselves, not fight against people.
I like the discussion guys...to each their own. We are all better for helping others and being actively involved in martial arts.
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HealthyTac...
Thanks! =) I've never lost a fight in a TKD tournament, but I know it would be a different story in a mixed martial arts event. Anyone who has as much experience as KunFuWanabe would kill me in an MMA event. But, I have no interest in fighting MMA, I'm too old! lol
Fortunately our school works on more than just TKD. We train in non TKD self-defense (mostly wrist locks and take downs), and most of all, we train to walk away. If we just don't get invovled in bad situations we should never have to find out how "good" we are.
I definitely don't want to "start any fights" around here. Mostly I just like a good debate where we can all respect one anothers' choices. We're all here for support anyway, right?!?!
Thanks fellas!
matt
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HEALTHYATC
2/23/06 7:10 P
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Matt~
I 100% agree with you. I can tell you I have fought others with different martial arts backgroud. Competitively, I have only lost twice. Does that mean TKD is the best...maybe not. It may have been the best for each scenario. I agree with Matt when he says the "best fighters take a little bit of everything and adapt." This statement couldn't be more true. I also have a background in Hapkido. I can tell you if I did not know TKD and I only knew Hapkido, I would struggle because it is two different styles. And vise versa.
Don't discredit Tae Kwon Do. If so, there is not one martial art which is effective.
Nicely said Matt.
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Interesting post. Surprised you picked out TKD as not being as good of art. Right at the beginning of your post you commented on on "Today's best fighters all have a well rounded arsenal...". I think that kind of sums it up. The best fighters take little bit of everything and adapt to the environment.
If you're watching UFC then you've heard of David Loiseau. Obviously he has amazing elbow strikes, but he gives quite a bit of credit to TKD. He beat Evan Tanner in his last fight, and the fight before he won with a spinning back-kick.
The fact is, if you have a wrestler against a striker the wrestler will win on the ground and the striker will win standing up. It's all a "what if" game. What if the wrestler takes it to the ground. What if the striker knocks him out before it gets to the ground. Every fight is different just as every style is different.
Sorry to hear you don't think much of TKD, but I think a lot of the UFC and Pride fighters would tell you that some of the kicks are great to have in your bag of tricks. I guess what I'm saying is, if you're going to discredit TKD, then you have to discredit any SINGLE style. It takes multiple styles to win in UFC or Pride.
Matt
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Golfpro has it right: Tae Kwon Do is a great workout. Especially sparring -- you get totally spent and it's not a tedious grind to get there.
- Bob
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| just the thought of martial arts makes my back go out. Maybe that means I need to do it hugh.
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KUNGFUWANABE
2/23/06 3:10 P
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Ultimate enthusiast right here. I've done a year of karate, two years of tiger claw kung fu, a few months of boxing...I've done my own training in kickboxing, and most recently I've been training in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I've kind of given up on the traditional martial arts. I've been watching so much UFC and PrideFC that I can't help but notice what works and what doesn't work. Today's best fighters all have a well rounded arsenal of strikes (boxing/kickboxing/muay thai), Take-downs and take-down defense (wrestling/greco-roman), and grappling and submissions (Judo/Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). So I'm trying my best to study and learn all the things that make a well rounded fighter, and I hope one day to compete.
I noticed a few of you train in Tae Kwon Do. I think TKD is good for a workout. I mean when those TKD guys are in attack mode, most of the time they are on one foot, or no feet at all cuz they kick so rapidly. I wouldn't recommend it for fighting though. It doesn't really make good use of the hands, and like most other traditional striking arts, if you're taken down by your opponent, you're in a totally different world and you'll just be at the mercy of your opponent.
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JITSUSPIKE
2/12/06 3:48 A
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i've been doing martial arts for awhile now, managed to get Tae Kwon Do 2nd kyu and am now doing Jitsu where i'm currently 4th kyu.
I find they are a great way to burn off extra calories and are really enjoyable, i'm really quite hooked to jitsu at the moment, even tho i do leave most sessions aching and kinda sore, lol
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STEPHENLOUIS
2/12/06 1:32 A
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| i've been in Tae Kwon Do for 18 years. i am about to test for my 6th dan. so all this has been incorporated into my goals as well.
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| No, but I've considered it. Not so sure at my age (52). I have a couple of old injuries and am not very flexable.
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Martial Arts is such a great workout!!! I had TaeKwonDo last night. Wednesday are sparring night so we got to fight for about 60 minutes, it was a blast! Although I am a bit sore this morning :-)
mt
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I've done lots of different martial arts styles over the years. I liked each, but didn't really dedicate myself until about 2001, when I started doing brazilian jiu jitsu.
It is great to have such a good workout that is fun, too!
I'm also dabbling in boxing at the moment, but I have a lot to learn!
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