What You Can Learn from America's Top Sports Nutrition Expert

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By: , SparkPeople Blogger
4/7/2009 10:38 AM   :  41 comments

Dave Ellis has an encyclopedic knowledge of nutrition and possesses an uncanny ability to distill complicated scientific information into succinct, sound advice for the rest of us. For 27 years, Ellis, a registered dietitian and Certified Strength & Conditioning Specialist, has worked with collegiate and professional teams across the country. He created his three-step Fueling Tactics system years before the government unveiled the food pyramid. His plan focuses on keeping athletes' immune systems up with plenty of produce and healthy oils, selecting fiber-rich starches and reducing fast-digesting sugars when inactive to provide more energy for training, and diversifying protein sources to promote quicker recoveries.

Ellis has worked with every sport imaginable, from collegiate and professional football and baseball to NASCAR, yachting, weightlifting and even ice skating. Ellis regularly authors columns for multiple publications, including Training & Conditioning and USA Hockey Magazine, and is also a Master Level V USA Hockey Certified Coach. He is often described as a “nutrition coach” because of his ability to motivate athletes to eat well.

Ellis recently spent an hour sharing his expertise with the dailySpark. From his Super Bowl victory, three National Championships and dozen Bowl victories and his time spent with legendary coaches--including his mentor, former Nebraska head football coach Tom Osborne--Ellis has amassed endless interesting stories and anecdotes.

He shared a bit about his background, told some stories about his current projects, and related his work with pro and college athletes to the struggles we go through each day: eating enough vegetables, getting family members on board with a healthy lifestyle and knowing whom to believe when it comes to health and nutrition.

Note from SparkGuy: "Dave is an amazing coach and person, we're fortunate to have him sharing his expertise and stories with SparkPeople members. I've met with Dave several times and his passion for helping people really shines through."


DailySpark: I was amazed at how simple all this complicated nutrition info sounds. The way you explain this to athletes, it's in such simple terms that I feel like anyone would be able to understand.

Dave Ellis: That's the goal. It was always the questions that the athletes fire at you and your ability to succinctly boil it down to cogent actionable thoughts that has made this (easy-to-follow plan) a product of my work. This was all born out of the trenches of athletics, where I had to--over and over again--answer similar questions. I process the latest information on one side of my brain and output in another--something they (athletes) had the attention span and time for.

dS:You're a (Master Level V USA) Hockey Coach now. Has hockey always been your sport?

Ellis: Hockey and baseball have been my two sports, but I've worked with just about everything that moves and can really appreciate what comes with each.

dS: I read on your website that you help with sports such as NASCAR and yachting. I wondered how important nutrition is in sports like those, compared with football or basketball.

Ellis: I was one of the strength coaches at the University of Wisconsin, and a buddy of mine was part of the crew for Bill Koch's (the 1992 America's Cup winner) yacht team. The majority of his team was former athletes from the University of Wisconsin who were training in Madison in the off-season, telling me about the environmental exposures on the boat and the workload. Some of the same principles for hydration that we would use for any athlete that gets any hot, humid sun exposures apply. We were going through the same timing issues with regards to eating for recovery, what to avoid pre-activity. There's a lot of carryover because of the duties they had to perform.

In NASCAR, it's very different in that they are fighting the g forces against turning left all day around that track, so the shorter the track, the more grueling the race. There are a lot of environmental issues--a 230 degree motor right below your feet and often those races are in hot, humid climates. So they can't really stop, they have to be really careful about what they consume before and during the race because there's no getting out to hit the restroom. And they've got to stay focused. Any little loss in concentration at 200-plus miles an hour bumper-to-bumper traffic, you're done.
That's what's great about private practice--the exposures that I get beyond the typical collegiate and Olympic sports. I've probably learned as much in the seven years since I went private as I did in my 20 years in the collegiate ranks.

dS: When we first started talking via email, you were in Florida for baseball spring training. The next week you were back at home in Colorado and driving to work with the Broncos. How often do you travel?

Ellis: There are some months where I travel every week, and then there are some where I get a little reprieve when I might only be on the road three or four times a month. I'm a 125,000-plus mile a year flyer. That's all domestic--we're in the top sports market in the world.

dS: Now are you still working with the Broncos? I know that's where you were last week.

Ellis: When I'm not on the road, I'll be ramping the Broncos' operation up. I've made very significant changes regarding their feeding operation, which is involving a revamping of a kitchen in addition to the serving process so that we can have a fresher product. There's been more of a satellite operation from caterers in the past. We're trying to improve the quality, the variety, the system with which we market the food to the guys, using the three-step approach to Fueling Tactics (Dave's proprietary system).

(He also did body composition analysis and is extensively working with the team and staff to get the guys ready for the season.)

dS: I saw in the video (Dave produced DVDs of his Fueling Tactics program for athletes and their support staff) that if athletes are following your plan--essentially just eating right--they don't need all the supplements and the powders and the pills that they see in the nutrition stores. Is that an uphill battle for you, to get athletes off those products?

Ellis: The popular press has always been a bit of a nemesis in regards to active populations buying into a "can of Hope." The young, impressionable athlete looks at muscle magazines, looks at blogs, streamed video, whatever, and sees lean muscular bodybuilders more so than athletes. They (the athletes/models in magazine) validate using the supplements as key to why they are who they are--a muscular, lean high performer.

There are a million reasons why a young athlete might say, "This sure seems like a simple solution." And the supplement industry has been cashing in forever. They take advantage of a underdeveloped young male who desperately wants to push that maturation curve. That's been their target forever.

The supplement industry: There's no defending them. The bad news is they've been selling a lot of hype for a number of years. They always overpromise. Sadly, because it's an unregulated industry, most of the companies are more marketing entities than scientific good manufacturing driven companies. It's an awkward deal to teach an athlete the difference between a marketing concept and a (real supplement).

The good news is that there's more pushback from health community, and athletes are becoming more savvy consumers. They're getting smarter about going to a health professional and talking about their desire to use a supplement before trying it. That allows the health professional--whether it's a strength coach, a dietitian or a trainer--someone around those programs who can at least say, "Jeez, you're an endurance athlete--creatine might not be a good idea." And we can at least rationalize the big picture.
Supplements are not about trying to crutch your bad lifestyle. To them, we say, "You have a lot of dings in your nutritional armor. You need to fix these dietary issues before we even get to advanced fueling tactics involving supplements."

dS: Tell me a little bit about what it was like to work with legendary football coach Tom Osborne. You were with him for three championships, right?

Ellis: I spent my formative years, started out in that program at Nebraska, then moved on to Wisconsin, and back to what were really the most productive years with Tom, with regards to seeing him have everything he wanted around his program in place.

Tom was ahead of the curve when it came to nutrition, no doubt about it. He single-handedly has been the most positive influence on my career. Tom was into (nutrition) because of some early diagnosed blood lipid issues. He was ahead of the curve in terms of his ability to (know how to) endure the grind that's demanded of a head coach at a Division I football school like Nebraska and balance with what he consumed--relative to his genetics.

Some people just have a hand dealt to them that, in the end, while everybody else gets away with less activity, they can't. While everybody else gets away with more saturated fat and simple sugars, he couldn't. He also connected the dots that "if our kids are better rested and better fueled, we can push them harder in practice." There has never been a general in the history of battle that didn't figure out "we can only push these warriors so far. They can only march for so many days." Food and rest are fundamentals for anyone who fuels armies. It has to prepare them for conflict. It's maybe a bit of a militant perspective, but in the end, that's what we're doing with teams.

We're trying to move them from Point A to B without wrecking them and making them endure what they need to to get better and also recover them so they can actually go out there and perform.

Tom was way ahead of it all. He got it and committed to it. He took the money from the kickoff classic that he won against Penn State and built the first athletic department-funded and constructed training table that Nebraska had.

("Training Tables" are essentially cafeterias or food providers that the NCAA schools have to feed athletes. They serve later than dorms and food supply is enhanced over dorm foods, with a stronger commitment to nutrition, larger servings, fresh produce.)

dS: Is it hard to sell athletes on the idea of eating a wide variety of vegetables and fruits each day? (The first step of Dave's program stresses the importance of fresh produce and healthy oils to ward off illness and bolster the immune system.)

Ellis: I spend more time on step one than we do on any of the others. The athletes are enamored with protein and muscle, but in the end we spend more time on minimizing chances of getting run down and sick. There's no gaining or hanging on to your muscle if you're chronically the athlete who gets sick every time the weather changes or we travel. These athletes get a heavy dose of why step one foods are important because of their ability to keep us outworking the competition because we're not run down, we're not sick. (Dave also says that muscles can cope with workouts and recover faster if the antioxidant levels in the body are higher.) A muscle with better antioxidant status can deal with free radical insults and acid-base insults that happen when we train (something that aging muscle is less efficient at coping with, recently identified with muscle wasting).

By the time you really coach a kid into (eating better), the kid will have said "all right, you sold me." Then you say, "well, show me the food you're going to try." They're literally highlighting the foods they like on the three step Fueling Tactics poster. Sadly there may not be a lot of foods highlighted on that list in the first step for athletes who have grown up eating on the fly at drive thrus.


The same thing you see with SparkPeople members is that if you didn't grow up eating it, suddenly trying to make fresh produce palatable is a tough sell. Fruit will end up being the first point of intervention. It's going to be awhile before I can find a way to get dark greens and carrots down their throat. We'll let them add a little ranch dressing if that's what it takes!

dS: Teams have people helping them when they're on the road and even at practice and home games. How do you teach them to stay on track when they're away from the field and the supervision of the nutrition staff?

Ellis: Fueling Tactics DVDs (Fundamental) was created to send home with the athlete to educate whoever was helping feed them. We try to engage the families of athletes. One of the first things I do for teams--like the (Cleveland) Cavaliers (basketball team)--the first thing I did for (general manager) Danny Ferry was to bring in the spouses and significant others.

We put a three-step buffet out and educated them with what we're trying to do with their athletes as we're eating. Sometimes my first exposures with a team revolve around assessing their frames to determine how much weight they can realistically carry. In reality I learn just as much from my clients as I bring to them. There is no school for what I do, it's all experienced based and I absolutely thrive on it.

Dave has agreed to share some of his best tips with us, and he's going to be back to write a guest blog for us. Keep reading the dailySpark for more insight from America's Top Sport Nutrition Expert.


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Comments

  • MDEANG
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    I am looking forward to more from Dave. I plan to check out his website and share his info with my high school students. - 11/29/2009   7:50:59 PM
  • ANGELPIE09
    40
    great stuff - 5/3/2009   12:55:03 PM
  • 39
    I remember being in college and watching the football players come into the dining hall after practices. I don't know how they managed on what was basically (back then) cafeteria food, but this article really brought home some great new messages for young and older athletes alike! Great article. I'm looking forward to the blog that comes from our guest speaker. Thank you! - 4/14/2009   4:48:52 PM
  • 38
    Very interesting. I'm reading ARTHUR AGATSTON'S book "The South Beach Diet" and learning a lot from him since he is a Cardiologist who deals with Metabolic Syndrome/Pre-diabetes, which is a serious condition for most of us over 40. - 4/10/2009   8:40:05 PM
  • 37
    I have heard and read a fair bit lately on this subject. From Montel Williams to Dr. Oz, you are what you eat. Healthy food = healthy body. I'm battling breast cancer and obesity right now so am very interested in any advice you can give us.
    Thanks, Jo - 4/10/2009   2:51:48 PM
  • 36
    While the SP blogs are always interesting and informational, this was one of the best! Thank you!

    And the advice Dave gives, to start with the fruit and veg and get plenty of rest - Yay! Glad to hear that top athletes need all of that stuff to keep their bodies in top form - if it works for them, it should work even better for us amateurs! This *may* explain why I usually don't catch the flu-du-jour. :)

    Thanks again, and here's looking to Dave upcoming blog(s)!
    - 4/10/2009   3:42:20 AM
  • 35
    I have been looking around to see what else I could read by Dave and I have a question about eating desserts. The article said to avoid eating desserts on off days. Years ago, when I was training for an MS 150, I was riding my bike 15 miles home from work. On Sunday's, at church, they would have free donuts. It took me a while to connect the dots and realize that eating that donut on Sunday (an off day) actually affected my ride the next day. Are you saying that if I would have eaten the donut on an active day, it wouldn't have affected me so much? Or is there really no "good" time to eat them? Thanks!! I'm really considering ordering your DVD. - 4/9/2009   8:41:19 PM
  • 34
    Very interesting stuff that can easily be applied to the home - eat more vegetables! - 4/9/2009   9:24:04 AM
  • TROLLEYTOKEN
    33
    Wow! Great interview - and I can't wait for the guest blog! Thanks for sharing with us Sparkers :) - 4/9/2009   4:38:44 AM
  • 32
    I look forward to Dave's blog. Thank you! - 4/8/2009   11:27:10 PM
  • AMYGNAGEL
    31
    Neat. Nice to know that athletes are on the same journey as us "regular" people. - 4/8/2009   9:41:57 PM
  • 30
    Pretty cool. - 4/8/2009   4:55:57 PM
  • 29
    wonderful article, thanks - 4/8/2009   9:34:51 AM
  • HVMBRU
    28
    Just goes to show once again that you can only focus on one thing at a time and always start at the bottom and work your way up! Gives good insight into supplement taking. - 4/8/2009   9:24:11 AM
  • 27
    awesome article, terrific insights, and incredible, professional journey and dedication. thank you for sharing this with us sparkers! nancy - 4/8/2009   8:53:10 AM
  • 26
    \o/ YAAAAY! - 4/8/2009   8:39:02 AM
  • 25
    This was interesting. I'm also looking forward to the applicable advice coming up in the blogs. - 4/8/2009   8:16:42 AM
  • 24
    Great interview. I'm so glad he commented on supplements. I can't wait to read what else he has to offer. - 4/8/2009   7:19:00 AM
  • 23
    Thanks for sharing this interview. It is very interesting. - 4/8/2009   7:17:23 AM
  • 22
    enjoyed the interview and looking forward to the blogs with more specific's on plans for the three tiers. THANKS! Once again- SparkPeople scores with a great interview with quality people ! - 4/8/2009   4:01:41 AM
  • 21
    bravo dave !!! - 4/7/2009   10:55:49 PM
  • 20
    "That muscles can cope with workouts and recover faster if the antioxidant levels in the body are higher.'That explains my muscle wasting which is common in diabetics.I can't wait until is blog post is featured.I also find the fact that the athletes get better nutrition guidance that the students in general ,although it is understandable . - 4/7/2009   7:48:05 PM
  • 19
    I just wanna thank Dave for working with my Denver Broncos, they need all the help they can get!!! =P - 4/7/2009   5:42:55 PM
  • DAN_ODEA
    18
    Thanks for the interview; my library has many of Dave's publications and I've found them all very useful. - 4/7/2009   4:55:40 PM
  • 17
    I have a right leg that was badly mangled in a motorcycle accident almost 6 yrs ago and I just had a total knee replacement 11/18/08 on that same leg. What do you suggest for someone who's trying to heal internally, lose weight, and has a really hard time exercising because of the leg? - 4/7/2009   3:27:46 PM
  • 16
    Very interesting. It's always exciting to hear someone refer to NASCAR as a sport and explain the physical demands on the racers. - 4/7/2009   3:26:20 PM
  • KARINHANSE
    15
    would love to see a list of the recommended foods and timing for foods for "average" people who are not professional athletes, but do some gym and cardio thru Spark people. - 4/7/2009   3:05:33 PM
  • 14
    Thanks for sharing your insight with us! Looking forward to hearing your tips on better eating. - 4/7/2009   2:53:05 PM
  • 13
    This is very interesting! I would like to hear about the nutrition that can bolster my metabolism. I do eat a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables but, not a lot of variety and I am trying to expand on that with my boyfriend's help. So anything you can give as a good rule to follow would be nice! Teri - 4/7/2009   2:48:01 PM
  • 12
    Great interview! - 4/7/2009   1:57:42 PM
  • 11
    Thanks for sharing! I look forward to reading more. I assume that you have guidelines for how much good oils and seeds to eat? Do sweets ever enter an athletes diet? Thanks!! - 4/7/2009   1:36:52 PM
  • 10
    Is there anything Dave can recommend for someone whose immune system is already compromised? I have RA and am on some strong immune suppressants in order to function daily. Because of SP and the medications I am functioning at a better level than I was before, but, is there something that will help make it even better? - 4/7/2009   12:36:16 PM
  • 9
    As you can see from my pic-my grandson is a Hockey Player too-last year Champs for mini mites this year first runner up-In playing hockey-he has become strong and determined! A great mix-mind and body! Thanks for the interesting article. - 4/7/2009   12:15:27 PM
  • 8
    I have lived in Nebraska most of my life, and here, Osborne is a god. But I've never known much about why (other than winning championships of course), so it was cool to learn more about him as a person ;) - 4/7/2009   11:43:51 AM
  • 7
    I have a family member who is constantly getting run down and sick. I would be very interested in knowing how to overcome this with proper eating. - 4/7/2009   11:32:13 AM
  • 6
    One of the problems I have with losing weight is that I am always hungry. Even eating smaller meals doesn't seem to ease the problem. Several have told me that it's a nutrition problem, but I'm trying to eat right, just to much. Could this be true? - 4/7/2009   11:23:26 AM
  • 5
    I have always loved healthy fruits and veggies but I also love chips, sweets and other junk food....I feel much better when I eat healthy but its hard to watch others eat food I love.... - 4/7/2009   11:22:53 AM
  • 4
    That is pretty cool. - 4/7/2009   11:00:46 AM
  • KAWELABAYKID
    3
    Do you have a nutrition plan for average people? I try to eat healthy but keep getting colds since I started working out regularly. How can I bolster my immune system? - 4/7/2009   10:59:59 AM
  • 2
    Very interesting. - 4/7/2009   10:58:34 AM
  • JOEFIT89
    1
    cool - 4/7/2009   10:51:29 AM

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