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What is Your True Size?

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5/24/2013 12:00 PM   :  570 comments   :  28,944 Views

I don’t know about you, but for the past several years clothes shopping has become more of a headache than the nice enjoyable activity it once was. Sadly, for me the fun is long gone and is replaced with countless hours of frustrations. There was once a time I could go into any store, pick something right off the rack, make a purchase and go home. But not today. That would be too easy.

Like a hunter searching for his prey, I head out early in the morning just as the stores are opening while I still have the energy for what I presume to be a day long mission. After trying pants after pants, hour after hour, store after store, I find myself literally worn out heading home more times than not dejected and empty handed.

While the styles and trends do count for many of my frustrations--I am not a BIG fan of the low rise trend--just finding a size has become a chore. In one store I can easily be a size 4, in another a size 6, and yet another I could wear a size 8. And let’s not even talk about online purchases without knowing beforehand my size in a store. Why is that?

Well the answer lies within a sales tactic that clothing manufacturers discreetly call vanity sizing.

So what exactly is vanity sizing and how did it come to be?

Knowing how women are glued to being a certain size, the clothing manufacturers researched and learned that women like being a smaller size. As a consequence, the manufacturers discovered that women are willing to spend more money just to have a smaller size on a tag. In other words if you have two pairs of identical jeans with the same identical waist measurements--one store labels it a size 10 priced for $20 and another store labels it a size 6 for $50, according to the research, more of us would choose the latter just to have the smaller size in our closet. This trend is especially more prevalent in higher end stores where sizes tend to run smaller even though they are the exact numeric size as their less expensive counterparts.

Because there is no industry standard, we, as women, must succumb to the scrutiny of looking high and low for the perfect size in EACH individual store. As a result, when I find the size I can wear at that particular store, I come home and put all the data in an Excel spreadsheet. So the next time I am in search of the perfect pant, jean, blouse, etc. all I have to do is pull out my handy-dandy cheat sheet and just pray that the clothing manufacturers haven’t decided to re-vanity size their items since my last shopping escapade.

I would like to believe I am one standard size, as it was in days of my youth, but that is now a thing of the past. This is one reason why we, as women, need to liberate ourselves from the size on the tag and just buy what fits regardless of the games the manufacturers are willing to play.

Would you spend more money just to have a smaller tag on an article of clothing? How much more would you be willing to spend for that smaller size tag? Do you find it frustrating that there is no standard sizing between stores?


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  • 570
    I haven't been able to find a pair of ready-to-wear pants that fit me in decades, regardless of the number on the tag. There is about 14" difference between my waist and hip measurements (ill leave it to you to judge whether that's too small a waist or too big a butt - it's just always been my body) and apparently nobody else the garment industry wants to sell to is shaped like me. I would buy ANY size in the store that fit me - it takes HOURS to sew a pair of pants - 2/21/2013   4:47:37 PM
  • 569
    If I am totally honest, yes I would. I don't know if I would do it just b/c of the smaller size but the honesty part is that I believe I would justify it in other subliminal ways. I probably would "like them better". I would think they were more modern, fit better, etc. I'd probably think I looked better in them. And I'm not sure if these things would be true or just my mind playing tricks to justify paying for the more expensive ones (b/c deep down I really love the fact that they are a size or two smaller). And if I have the extra $$ to spend, I don't know if that is all bad. Who couldn't use a little ego boost once in a while, feeling a bit better about ourselves? Seems like women are often so critical and negative of themselves. So if I can afford it and it brings a smile to my face all day and builds my confidence, I say it's ok. :-) - 8/1/2012   8:28:03 AM
  • 568
    Glad you mentioned low rise! I have been out of the clothes loop for years because I hated buying plus plus sizes. Now that I can fit into "normal" sizes, I am buying. I ordered some dress pants and they were low rise, I hate the feeling! Why did they invent this, just to torture? I stupidly ordered three pairs and I think back they will go, sadly. They fit but they just feel uncomfortable. - 4/10/2012   8:07:52 AM
  • 567
    After losing weight, I needed to buy some new clothes that actually fit.
    I wore a Large before losing.
    Just to compare, I tried a L again - too big
    Tried a M - too big
    Tried a S - fits yet with still a little looseness
    huh?
    Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed seeing the size S fit me almost perfectly and with room to spare, but... I'm only 56-58kg.... what will I do when I reach my goal of 52-53kg?
    It was pretty evident I had just been a victim of vanity sizing~! *argh*
    My boyfriend and I decided we would not ask each other our sizes or weights
    We love each other for who we are - 2/1/2012   10:37:00 AM
  • LARSEN_84
    566
    No I won't pay more money for a pair of pants just because of the size. I have been known to buy something on sale just because it was on sale, but really didn't fit right. I really enjoyed the article. I don't go shopping hardly at all anymore to confusing and flustrating. I order a couple of different sizes in a pair of pants that I like the style and hope one of them fits. Most places have free return service, so I hopefully get a pair that fit and I send the other one back. - 12/23/2011   5:53:10 PM
  • 565
    I definitely would NOT spend more money just to have a smaller size on the tag. If i buy something, it will most likely be because it's on sale. if it's not on sale and i still buy it, it will be because I like how it fits me, not because of what it says on the tag (although a "made in amercia "tag would be good) - 12/23/2011   2:12:55 PM
  • SUNSET09
    564
    No, I would not spend more money on a samller size tag as it doesn't erase the fact that I am still, the size that I am. A tag does not tell me that nor makes me feel any better. When I was stationed overseas, the Asians can look at you and tell what size you wear, that's what I liked as you can't fool Mother Nature! - 8/29/2011   7:27:16 AM
  • 563
    This is so true. I'm convinced lingerie manufacturers practice vanity sizing in the opposite direction. Despite the objective-sounding formula that leads you to your bra size, I still find I measure an entire cup size bigger in certain brands of lingerie. Maybe because women will spend more for a bra whose tag says they have larger breasts?? Ridiculous, but clothing makers wouldn't have this practice if it didn't work -- !! - 8/28/2011   9:54:48 AM
  • 562
    i used to cut the size tags out of clothes i didn't wear anymore and leave them laying around for my brother's girlfriend who always wore clothes that were WAY too small for her. and she wore them and looked nice for a change. *sigh* nobody can see the size on the tag (except maybe people who live with you or do your laundry, and they should care more about you than the number) - they see how the clothing fits. something that fits or is just a little big will make you look slimmer and classier than something that's too small! - 8/26/2011   1:17:22 AM
  • 561
    I won't lie: losing enough to fit into a smaller size--if it really *is* a smaller size--does do a lot for my weight-management morale. But if it's just a number on a tag and the actual garment is the same size I've been wearing all along, where's the morale-boost in that? It's just playing silly games with oneself, the same kind of silly games I used to play when I pretended a gargantuan portion of food was "normal." I can't afford to lie to myself like that anymore. I get my morale-boost from the measuring tape now, which does not lie. As for the vanity-sizing of clothes, which I've been well aware of for years now: feh! What an inconvenient pain in the neck (and points south)! Between the insane variations in sizing on women's jeans, and my realization one day that I could no longer stand the uncomfortable binding feeling of even stretch jeans, I have completely dumped jeans from my wardrobe. How's this for an idea for another whole article: the insane styling of too-tight-to-breath, too-low-cut-to-bend-over jeans these days? What the heck is up with that, anyway? :-D - 8/25/2011   11:44:43 PM
  • 560
    I shop for quality in clothing and for sales. I found the vanity sizing years ago; and yes, the number matters. If the size is too big (though fits), I rip out the tag. Even though people can see how big I am, I am still embarrassed by the size I wear. - 8/25/2011   1:41:46 PM
  • 559
    Why would you buy something for the SIZE rather than for the STYLE or FIT? - 8/24/2011   2:00:47 PM
  • 558
    Thanks for this informative blog. We men are also victims of vanity sizing. It is hard for me to know what size pants to try on in the stores. I am encouraged by your perceptive comments. - 7/3/2011   5:15:44 AM
  • 557
    I find it very fustrating to go shopping. And yes I too wish that stores would have standard sizing. That way I could really have a goal to keep to. I really don't think that I would pay extra to have a smaller size, but I don't know...maybe a few extra dollars 10 or less just for the emotional success of being in a smaller size. :) - 6/16/2011   9:32:26 AM
  • 556
    I would not pay more just because the label had a smaller size. Now if something truly fit great & looked good on me and was good quality...then I would pay. But it IS incredibly frustrating that a lot of times sizes do not run the same across brands or stores. I always start with what I think is my current size and go up or down from there. Although I admit that unless I really love the item & I know the quality is good enough to last I rarely actually will take the larger size, especially right now while I am still lsing - 6/16/2011   6:12:55 AM
  • 555
    It drives me absolutely batty!!!
    I don't like to pay for the lower priced clothes to begin with. Why do they need to make are already hectic, harry lives just that much harder by making something that should be relatively simple so much harder. Most of the time I refuse to play their games and make my own clothes. I am so lucky that I have that skill. It also means I am more likely to enjoy every thing about my clothes, and making them gives entertainment as well. - 2/20/2011   11:25:45 AM
  • LIORAA
    554
    I know that Gap and Banana Republic do this (I think Old Navy too) - I'll usually wear a size down at BR than I wear at Gap. And I love shopping there! The positive affirmation is definitely helpful, but the reason I try on the stuff in the first place is because I think it's cute. - 2/18/2011   11:52:40 PM
  • 553
    No way would I spend more to have a smaller size! I have always just bought what would fit me, without caring about a silly number on a tag. I'm just happy to have so many more clothing options now that I have lost 110 lbs. - 1/20/2011   5:49:32 PM
  • 552
    You are one organized-spreadsheet-wielding woman after my own heart. ;D OMG, what a great idea.

    I've always felt that I need to try on clothes, and only use the label size as a guide.My top has always been smaller than my bottom. But it wasn't until I started losing weight that I realized how limiting I HAD been... I would still mostly LOOK/try on clothes that were listed as my size.

    Since I've lost weight, I browse more freely in different sizes. And depending on the cut, because of how I'm shaped, I can wear a really small item if it's mainly for my bodice area (like a vest), but for things to go over my hips (like a non-stretch tunic) I need a bigger size. Throw in a sizeable chest, and curvy booty with a smallish waist, and there are inevitably going to be many hours spent in the dressing room!!

    LOL, luckily, I enjoy it! I just wish I had a bigger fashion budget. ;D
    Jocelyn - 1/4/2011   3:21:54 AM
  • HERPAIGE
    551
    Interesting comments, Jean shopping is personally my enemy, and it is truly exhausting. SO for me i buy what fits and is comfortable, I never buy based on a price - always what fits. If I am going to wear clothes all day I want to be comfy. I address some of these issues in my blog about women's issues.. one specifically about shopping for jeans!!

    http://herpaige.blogspot.com/2010/0
    9/jeans.html
    - 10/27/2010   10:41:02 PM
  • SHEILAS71
    550
    I never buy clothes for the size, i buy them for the fit. I have had acouple of pants from different stores that were supposed to be the same size and weren't. I tried each one on and got them because they fit me but, each one was a different size. And yes i do believe that vanity sizing exists. I would never pay no more than 10.00- 15.00 for a pair of pants and it can be done and they look good. I have better things to spend my money on these days. - 6/6/2010   12:50:19 AM
  • 549
    This "vanity sizing" crap is the very reason I tend to wear MEN'S jeans most of the time. My true size, however, annoys me more than the obscene(to me) waist measurement of the men's size I wear as I'm only 2 inches slimmer in my waist than my fiancee. I actually pay less for my jeans simply by buying mens jeans rather than women's of a similar cut. - 4/30/2010   3:31:18 AM
  • MIEZEKATZE
    548
    Somewhere out there, there must be a store that sells clothing only according to inches.

    If not, it sounds like there could be a market for one! My boyfriend would love to buy my clothes, but he never knows what size I am! - 4/29/2010   4:05:02 PM
  • 547
    Women are lied to enough in our culture, why lie to yourself? I would never pay more for a "smaller size" because it's not, in fact, smaller. It's the same size with a different number plastered on it.

    It would be awesome to have clothing measure in inches like men's clothing. I know that a lot of women don't want clothing measured in inches because they don't want others to know how many inches around their waist, thighs, bust, etc is... but again, let's be honest. People may not know exact inches, but they can see you. And with men... if your husband or boyfriend finds you attractive, they're not going to suddenly go "OMG, YOUR WAIST IS HOW MANY INCHES?!" and run away. They don't care, trust me.

    My (patient) husband went jeans shopping with me. I told him it would be long and arduous, but he went anyway. I am 5'10" and wear an 8-10. He was amazed at how many pairs of pants I could go through of varying sizes and styles, and how jeans were not universally flattering. Safe to say he has a new respect for a well-fitting pair of jeans. =) - 4/29/2010   3:18:32 PM
  • 546
    I'm extrememly jealous of my husband who can just give me his measurements, I go to the store and bring him back pants and they fit him!!!! I can not do that. I have to spend hours trying to find the right pants!!!!!!! Why can't they do that for women? Just do waist and length size? - 4/28/2010   12:21:10 PM
  • 545
    I think the vanity sizing is rediculous! The fashion industry is hard enough of young girl's body images.....so now they want to penalize us for wanting that size number?

    Totally true about no uniformed size charts for the different labels/stores. Every Christmas or Birthday, my DB has the hardest time shopping for clothes for me. One day, he shook his head at me, and said I have no idea what size jeans you wear, your dresser has 6, 8, 10, 12, 14.....which is it? I just sorta smirked and said it depends. Last Christmas, we were shopping for family gifts, and I tried on a pair of jeans, and said-here-you can give me these. He sighed and said that saves me a whole lotta hassel LOL now what size shirt do you want to go with it? - 4/28/2010   10:27:05 AM
  • 544
    No way, I would not pay more for the smaller size. I do wish sizes were universal. In my closet My pant sizes range from 16 to 20 depending on the brand. Most of my pants are 18's but who know what size we really are, I guess it would be the majority out of the bunch, or we could add all the sizes and average them to creat our own size. Stupid designers, sizes should go by measurements like guys pants. 30x30 baby. :) - 4/28/2010   10:22:30 AM
  • MEGLYNNEG
    543
    Thats what the store Torrid tries to do. They make sizes for plus women, but instead of being a size 24-26, their clothes say 4. The clothes there are a crazy amount of money, so I stick to DEBS in the mall where my clothes will say size 22 for $15. The only thing I had ever bought from Torrid was Lingere because I cant seem to find plus size lingere anywhere else. It's annoying when I go shopping with my boyfriend, or friends for opinions but they're all so bored and annoyed because I can't seem to find something that fits normal. I think stores should have the same sizing and that they shouldn't say size 24, if they're made small so the pants are really like size 20's. It's a waste of time for everyone and then no one wants to buy your products. - 12/28/2009   11:05:29 AM
  • 542
    No way, I won't pay more for a "smaller" size tag. That would just be trying to fool myself. It would be ideal for sizes to be standardized across the boards, but until that happens, I've made peace with just getting whatever size fits me best, whatever it may be. Besides, if it bothers me that much, I just rip the tag out! Yes, I've really done that... - 12/27/2009   9:13:12 PM
  • 541
    I feel foolish. I always thought I wore a smaller size in more expensive clothes because they were made better. OOPS - 12/27/2009   4:48:54 PM
  • 540
    It's silly that we don't have a standard measurement system, but it's understandable that women prefer to pay for the smaller size. It's hard to lose weight, and women want to see results when they go shopping. - 12/27/2009   4:11:05 PM
  • 539
    I agree with Lawli56 ... make women's clothing the same as men's clothing ... instead of arbitrary sizes, make the label state what diameter of chest for shirts, blouses, etc.; & waist/inseam sizes for trousers, jeans & pants! I'm one of those women who do not have time to try on several different pieces of clothing just to find the one that will fit correctly! Most of the time I've got a cranky 5 yr old in tow & just don't want to go thru the hassle! LOL!
    Clothing prices have just about gotten to the point where I'd rather sew my own clothes rather than buy something off the rack... at least I know it'd fit right! - 12/27/2009   12:37:43 AM
  • CYNDERWHOTOO
    538
    What is a size o, where do you go from there. No where. What is 1x 2x. I don't look at the size anymore. If I like something and its fit well I wear it. I am a large woman. I can wear anything from 13 to 16. Large to 3x I belt larger tops for a waist line and I wear jackets or shirts over form fitting shirts and pants. I usually get compliments. Size means nothing to me, it all in the way you wear it. - 12/24/2009   10:38:16 PM
  • 537
    I'd be much happier if they just put the size in inches or centimetres... they don't lie. - 12/24/2009   8:32:31 AM
  • FITNSPARKIN
    536
    What I find absolutely ridiculous is that despite gaining 40 lbs, I can still find jeans in the same size I wore 5 yrs ago. No I don't pay extra for them, thats just the way it works. I am all for universal sizing in all clothing and I think someone needs to push for this and regulate the clothing industry sizes like medicine, etc is regulated. But when I get down to my goal weight, I want to be the smallest size possible. - 12/23/2009   8:57:47 PM
  • 535
    No, I wouldnt pay more for that size tag.I shopped at a store a long time ago for plus size women that did away with the numbers 4-26 entirely. They had their own sizing system. 1-3. It was nice in a way because I didnt feel so huge with my size 24 tags. But the thing is I really WAS that overweight. But I think of them sometimes when I am looking for clothes now. I dont worry so much about tag sizes- but it is frustrating that different clothing companies have different sizing. I am still getting used to it. But for years I didnt worry too much because I just sat in size 22/24 and everything between those two sizes fit. Now I am experiementing because my size has gone down to between 10-12. Its fun, when you cn find the size you want quickly! But I am not investing too much because Im not at my goal. God bless- - 12/23/2009   4:53:59 PM
  • 534
    I have jeans in size 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, & 26 all are different names & cuts & all fit me at this time, well the 26's are a little loose LOL but the rest fit fine go figure LOL. I didn't pay more for the 16's I buy all my clothes on clearance racks ~ Khols & find a dot save alot ~ Bealls outlet. I'm thrifty with the $, but I wouldn't pay more for the smaller size tag, I have a friend who says she's a 12/14 I know she's more like a 16/18 but I see her buy the smaller size & squeeze into it. I'm at the point I no longer care about the size ( sure everyone wants to be in the single digits) but my problem is I'm short & cutting off 3-10 inches isn't the way I want to spend my free time, So I buy the ones that are more like 3 inches to long & put on high heels LOL. Basically the the pants that are soposed to stop mid way between the knee & ankle would be perfect if they were a inch longer LOL. - 12/23/2009   3:41:24 PM
  • 533
    No way would I spend more money for a smaller size on the label. I just pick which ever looks the cutest. - 12/23/2009   3:39:36 PM
  • 532
    Um... N.O.! I will NOT waste all that money on a more expensive (smaller size), knowing it is the same size of a 10 but I'm paying for the # it says on the tag. That's really rediculous. I think that's just simply another thing that women can use as an excuse to not face the fact that they need to LOSE THE WEIGHT! My thing is this, if I am a 10 (which I'm between a 10-12) and I desire to be a solid 8... I'm not going to buy a $50 pair of size 12's just because the tag at the higher end store says its an 8. You know? I'd be fooling myself to believing that I'm OKAY with where I am and wouldn't spend too much time actually working the weight off! My Fav store for the last 2 years is NY & CO. I LOVE LOVE LOVE their business apparel and jeans. It's like they market for WOMEN. ITs not a teeny-bopper "Fashion buggy" type store for little young girls, but it's not a one-size-fits-all type of store. Many of their clothes, I believe, fit true to size and I love the way the clothing feels on my body. I wore a true 10 in that store, and also would sometimes buy my pants in a size 12 just for a loser feel, especially because I am a high heels wearer and like my pants to fall right at the bottom of my heel to the floor. And the good thing is, you are buying your true size. Their pants may be between $36-$46 per pair, but they are worth every penny and have various styles of clothing to fit everyone's budget! - 12/23/2009   3:27:45 PM
  • 531
    Styles are crazy! I wouldn't spend more only because of the tag size but I would if the item was comfortable and I liked the fit. Then I usually cut the size tag out. lol! But that's only because the size can do such a number on your esteem -when it really doesn't matter! - 12/23/2009   5:04:59 AM
  • LEXIFAY
    530
    I will never understand the logic behind this. If it fits and looks good, the tag be damned! Sizes exist for comfort, specifically to accommodate people of different body types. There is nothing shameful in being a larger size, if that's what makes you beautiful. :) - 12/22/2009   10:24:10 PM
  • 529
    I will spend more money on something that looks better and feels good when I wear it! Not just because of the number on the tag! - 12/22/2009   10:17:41 PM
  • 528
    i HATE this! aaahhh! even when i was thinner, this was a problem since i bordered on the edge of "plus" size and "normal". now that i am a size 18, it is even worse. and my boyfriend just doesn't get it. he buys all his clothes online and usually without a problem. i never buy online because i will just have to return it. i won't buy anything unless i try it on. and i dread a shopping day. it is very exhausting.

    i would never spend more on something just because it had a lower size tag. no way. i don't care what the size is. it is a nice reality check for me anyway. besides, who is going to see that tag? no one. ridiculous. - 12/22/2009   9:30:32 PM
  • 527
    I have an additional problem. I am tall and most pant lengths are too short for me. So I get a double wammy. Once I find something that is long enough, then I have to make sure that they fit in the hips/thighs and waist. Then I go into sticker shock when I check the price tag. I can't wait for something to go on sale, because the tall lengths will not be there by that time.

    I refuse to pay more for anything that doesn't fit well and is comfortable regardless of the tag size. Yes I love saying I have some size 6 jeans but I don't pay extra for them. Unfortunately tall sizes are even harder fine in size 6 then in 8/10. - 12/21/2009   11:40:41 AM
  • 526
    I really cannt say that i shop for a particular size that i want to be...i go straight for what size i know i am and go from there...that being said it makes no sense to me for retailers to do the vanity thing....but my solution to this is Lane Bryant and their perfect fit jeans......i dont even mess with other places anymore cause i just get sick and tired of leaving depressed and wanting to curl up and cry....my problem has always been that if it fits in my waist, the rest of the pant is big enough to fit another person....my belly is really my only problem(currently working on that)....so when i found the jeans at lane bryant I was beyond estatic that they fit all over, so i stick there....the down side, they are kinda pricy but i am willing to pay for both dress pants and jeans that fit me perfect.... - 12/21/2009   10:57:05 AM
  • 525
    Good article and something I have noticed the past few years as well. When i was a child, my mother wore an XL or even an XXL. My was a LOT bigger than I am now at a lower weight and overall size. So, how is it I have to wear the same size as she did back then?
    I have started to shop in the "womens" department because most XL are not a true XL anymore. I will not spend more money just to wear a smaller size either :( I am what I am for now LOL This whole "vanity" sizing is a complete waste of my shopping time. - 12/19/2009   4:39:23 PM
  • 524
    I noticed this when I decided I had lost enough weight to move from stretchy pants to jeans. I tried on the size 14 that I had been wearing and it was so big I could swim in it! I tried a 12 and the same thing happened. I finally stopped at size 10. I KNOW I'm not a size 10! It doesn't make me feel better to know that I'm wearing a size 10 because it's not REALLY that size! It's very frustrating and insulting, I think, that the clothing manufacturers have adopted vanity sizing. - 12/19/2009   12:33:24 PM
  • LIZZIE888
    523
    I have clothes from over 10, 15 and 20 years ago in my "can't stand losing you" collection and its fascinating to see how the sizes have changed over the years. I'm a UK size 16 at present - the size 16 from 10 years ago won't fit me and the 16 from 20 years ago is similar to a UK12 now - thats an 8 or so in the US. But I know I buy into this. I know the sizes are effectively random even within one shop let alone across many, but given the choice of "industry standard" I have to admit that if it meant I was a "bigger number" I wouldn't like it! The fact that I know its empty flattery and is appealing to my vanity does nothing to change this... - 12/19/2009   4:49:05 AM
  • 4SCOTT
    522
    I WANT MORE FOR MY MONEY SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 2 CHEAPER PANTS THAN THE LABEL. BESIDES WHO ELESE SEES THE LABEL BUT YOU. I HAVE BEEN BUYING LESS EXPENSE PANTS AT LIKE ROSS OR TJMAX BECAUSE I AM STILL LOSING WEIGHT AND HATE ONLY BEING ABLE TO WEAR THEM FOR A MONTH OR SO. - 12/19/2009   12:50:04 AM
  • 521
    Wow, you hit a nerve with this topic, Ms. Nancy. Today, I bought an outfit of same-brand separates that included pants, knit top, silk jacket and a matching knee length coat. Pants, small; top, medium; jacket, medium; coat, small. Huh? The owner of the shop just shook her head. Sometimes two of the same size pair of pants come in varying lengths, she told me. I think the pattern cutters are practical jokers, giggling as they work their nefarious deeds.
    - 12/18/2009   9:50:02 PM

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